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What I think my motion looks like

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81892)

Hey Patrick,

Your total motion shouldn't look like Yoda, it should look like Patrick. We have an ideal model in our computer, but in reality you gotta be you!

You have a nice looking swing by the way, nothing at all to be ashamed of...

Kevin

Hi everyone. Last Friday night was really big for me in taking a Stationary Head and Impact Fix, keeping a firm FLW and RFT. So At shoulder level, I planted my left heel and rolled my Power Package through trying to extend my right forearm through the ball like a solid post.

It felt like I was doing this swing.

Now, my distance was stupidly low but I hit almost every fairway and though short on long par 4"s, I was on line to each pin.

I know Duval has a stronger grip than I do. I know he is on an Elbow Plane whereas I was trying to keep my wrists elevated. Wouldn't it be funny if I found I could set a stronger grip, line up more open, and get more distance from my Pivot? Maybe set the ball up more forward for drives and hit up as suggested in another thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aju48SO7OpI

ICT

Funky monkies, flat wrists, flat women and ....cool, crisp sangria.

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Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 81891)

looking forward to it

i suspect there are a few of us could lay claim to a less than text book swing - yours had better be pretty funky now you've laid your cards on the table :-)

Ok, the good news? :laughing9

When I loose all hope, when the under-endowed young lady in the simulator outdrives me by 20 yards in the air, when the dog bites, when the bee stings, I must remember my FFLW (Firm, Flat Left Wrists).

More good news on my way to 38 putts and shooting an 88 on the simulated Old Course from the championship tees? :( My FLW, my FFLW (Firm, Flat Left Wrist), allowed me to increase my driving average from 176 yards to 198 yards.

More good news? I only messed up 3 holes, A LOT! I mean I was 8 over on two par 3's and 4 over on one par 5 (The hole before the road hole has an out of bounds line which I crossed twice for a 9! :crybaby: )

So, a FFLW, firm, bartender, cool, like the fruitiness of my boxed sangria. So, my bet is that the FFLW allows the Finish Swivel to activate.

Nice guess, newbie, but there is soooo much more to know!

Consider this post from the" basement archives," I mean SEARCH function

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=Finish+Swivel # 10

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Yoda Originally Posted this:

Regarding the post-Impact alignments you have observed:

1. In the video, as Mgjordan correctly noted, I am Impacting a heavy Bag with a light stick. The Bag is non-resilient, and its mass is several hundred times greater than that of a Golf Ball. I am Making a Motion, the bottom portion of which has been rudely interrupted by the Bag hitting the stick just as hard as the stick is hitting the Bag. My Left Arm and Wrist have not suffered the same collision. Hence, the stick has been buried in the Bag; my Arms and Hands have continued forward; and the extreme alignments you have observed are simply God's Plan. In fact, for the alignments to be any less extreme, at Impact I would have had to Quit. And that wasn't going to happen!

2. Further, I amTraining with the express purpose of eliminating the Golfer's Public Enemy #1: The Bent Left Wrist through Impact. I am training to take Lag Pressure to Both Arms Straight and beyond. As stated in the video, Impact alignments at a normal Ball Location are irrelevant to my purpose. Also, the Angled Hinge Action (and its Rhythm) of this Hitting Stroke have been stifled by the Impact. For obvious reasons, the Finish Swivel is non-existent.

3. Even so, the Motion is not as exaggerated as you think. While it is obviously a wrench of your concepts -- and those of tens of millions of other golfers as well -- what you see in the video is what the great playersFeel through Impact. And the reason they get such different results than we do is because they get there -- Through the Ball with a Flat Left Wrist -- and we don't. It's as simple as that! All this is good news because you are now standing at The Gateway to your best golf.

Rarely do Players -- even the 'good' Players -- sustain the Clubhead Lag Pressure through Impact. In fact, Lag Pressure Point Pressure is in its greatest jeopardy 3-6 inches before Impact: What should have been a sustained drive to Both Arms Straight becomes a Throw. To be sure, it can be an 'expertly' delivered Throw, but it is a Throw nonetheless. And history's great strikers don't Throw...they Drive! Hitting or Swinging, they Drive. I'll put some photos up soon that will surprise you.

Homer Kelley told us:

"The Clubhead Lag 'lays' into the [Right Forefinger] #3 Pressure Point. The Club doesn't want to go along, but it has to. You don't Throw the Club! It's like dragging your baby brother."

Now, it's up to you. It's one thing to read about a drill. It's another thing to see it done and to ponder its usefulness. But to actually do it and enjoy its benefits -- aah, there's the rub!

"Do or do not. There is no try."

A FFLW is part of the heaviness of a Lag-laden, proper stroke on the way through, through, I said and Yoda said, Lag splitting through the ball.

Here's the video Yoda explains in the quote above:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=122

I admit that I cannot do that, YET! I must learn how! :salut: If you have a "+" hcp. you can do it, which means there are a lot of golfers that need to learn this, also.

ICT

I tried the David Duval motion, my version of it anyway. I have no clue of how the man makes a living.

Someday, Red Baron!

Dustin Johnson carries his 3 iron 50 yards further than I hit my driver by 50 yards!

The basic two-step of Both Arms Straight and Finish Swivel

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81997)

How do I get to be a better golfer?

1) Firm, Flat Left Wrist

This is where I want to go!

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Originally Posted by Okie

Apples and Oranges
GPStyles,

That is an astute connection. Many people execute the downswing as a swivel action, as opposed to reaching full extention (both arms straight) and THEN executing the finish swivel. Although Trevino did not execute a finish swivel (as far as I can tell) studying the angle of his right forearm approach allowed me to seperate THE follow through from THE finish. Without a precise followthrough the finish tends to be contrived, off-plane and for show! Once those arms are pulled as taught as guidewires where else can you go but swiveling back on the face of the plane? I have found that if I focus on taking my power package to both arms straight...I swivel. A more important distinction is also seperating hinge action from the finish swivel.

"Every seperate item in the stroke is properly understood only when learned and mastered separately and its seperate identity maintained." - Homer Kelley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

But how do I get there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

The only natural result of a proper Both Arms Straight position carrying LAG through the ball is the Finish Swivel.

When I practice simply pulling my left arm straight down, as hard as can from RFT, my drives are straight albeit about 180 yards, and all my irons are crisp and biting. My theory is that with a quiet lower body, I hit both Arms Straight properly. Hitting my driver as far a Tiger hits his 8 iron is not acceptable, though I can have a single digit handicap with such a stroke.

What do I have to employ to straighten my left arm fully getting to Both Arms Straight and the Finish Swivel? Without this answer, my handicap is handicapped!

Is it the Pivot? Is it a Hip Slide then the Pivot? :scratch:

ICT

Seek and we shall find.....

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Originally posted by Yoda

I agree that "if the physics of the stroke are identical to the point past separation at which the bend will or will not take place, the ball flight will be identical." The problem is that they won't be. You just don't hit a perfect Golf Shot and then, all of a sudden, do a bad Swivel. A good Golf Shot demands a good Finish Swivel for the Club to take the proper route through Impact. The Finish is "the Precision Destination of the Downstroke Blast-off from the Top," not just "Impact fall-out" (2-N-0).

If the Finish Swivel has not been properly programmed (consciously or subconsciously), then it will not be properly executed, and the Club will not -- indeed, cannot -- take the required route from the Top. What will be executed is the classic Chicken Wing, and Steering and Quitting through Impact will be the ineveitable enablers.

As far as Freddie Couples goes, per the explanation in my prior post, his Bent Left Wrist is entirely correct due to his Turned Left Wrist in the Grip (Strong Double Action 10-2-D). It would not be correct for a Golfer whose Left Wrist was Vertical (Strong Single Action 10-2-B).

How do we get to a proper Finish Swivel?

ICT

Steps to a proper Finish Swivel

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Originally posted by Brian Manzella

For clarification:

Lynn make s a very good swing (and hit) at the ball.

No doubt.

My left wrist is flat a bit longer than Lynn. So what?

Well the so what is just what Lynn is saying, The golf stroke works BACKWARD from a wobbly point and that point---even if it is after imapct---can start to cause problems.

I have had a LOT of success with golfers TRAINING them to keep the FLW through the finish. Like our friend jim_0068, after they LAERN it that way, they then can let it, as Lynn says, do what it wants.

....BUT....

...in the meantime....they are FIXED!

So, step 1 is to have a Firm, Flat Left Wrist, EVERYWHERE!

OK, HOW DO WE TRAIN THAT POSITION?

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ORIGINALLY posted by Yoda

I have seen many Flat Left Wrists in my time, and I've got to tell you, I've never seen it done better than by Brian Manzella. When he graciously called me from his 21st PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit last month and handed the phone to his mentor, Ben Doyle, the First Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine, I was flabbergasted. [There are only a few times in life where that word works. This is one of them.]

My first question?

"Mr. Doyle, how did you teach Brian his Flat Left Wrist?"

His immediate answer:

"Chip. Pitch. Punch."

And there you have it, guys. Fifty years on the Tee in Three Words.

I am humbled.

There's more here. Much more.

Fasten your seat belts.

Bagger.

Trig.

Warp Speed!

"Chip, Pitch, Punch" the man said. We need a warm front in Philly!

ICT

So I do not forget a good lesson...

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Originally posted by Yoda

Really good stuff, Robot Buddy R2D2. You're doing your homework!

A clarifying point:

Make no apologies for the Bent Left Wrist after the Finish Swivel. It isthere for a reason, and if you ignore it, your Stroke -- and your Shot -- willsuffer.

Yes, there is magic in the Flat Left Wrist, but like anything else, that magiccan be overdone. Per the 'Useful Combinations' of Chapter 5, the Wrists move intandem. As you have correctly stated, the Swinger's Backstroke Motion finds theLeft Wrist Flat, Level and Turned (5-B-1) and the Right Wrist Bent,Level and Turned. After the Finish Swivel (2-G), we find the oppositecondition: the Right Wrist Flat, Level, and Rolled and the Left Wrist Bent,Level and Rolled. This 'Golf as a Double Handful' Wrist Combination is notspecifically listed in Chapter 5, but it is correct. For study, the Combinationof 5-D-1 and 5-D-2 is the prelude to the Wrist Combination I've described.

If the player is ignorant of this correct Wrist Combination and overrides it byattempting to maintain a Flat Left Wrist -- when, in fact, it should be Bent-- then Big Trouble is on the way. Even though the Ball is 'long gone'by the time the Flat Left Wrist Override occurs, The Computer (Chapter14) knew it was coming long before, and it will disrupt the ClubheadOvertaking through Impact to accomodate it.

This is a very important point. One, quite frankly, that puzzled me for yearsand that I was quite happy to finally put to bed. Never forget, Precision isrecognizing and reconciling minute differentiations. Sometimes you have to'connect the dots' -- as we did this time -- but, nevertheless, there is ananswer to every Stroke question...

In The Golfing Machine!

The computer must be programmed correctly!

ICT

Ok, so how do we keep a Firm, Flat Left Wrist? Can you say Basic Motion?

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Originally posted by Bagger

Thanks rwh,

I've been meaning to get back to this question but figured someone would jump in.

JT - The right wrist doesn't cock, it bends back on itself. Go ahead and put your right arm in front of you, when you cock your wrist, you will see wrinkles in the skin below your thumb. Now instead of cocking, bend it back. You will see wrinkles across the back of your hand, but not below your thumb. Now, your results may vary depending on your anatomy, but you get the idea.

As rwh mentions, at the top of the swing you don't need to cock your right wrist. The bent right elbow acts to put the right forearm and wrist in the correct alignment at the top. Your LEFT wrist will cock.

This is PART of what is known as the "Flying Wedges" in TGM. The concept is important enough that Yoda will very likely post a thread for it in the the advanced forum.

Bagger

So Basic Motion will help me with my Finish Swivel though the Basic Motion comes nowhere near Finish Swivel. Beautiful.

I have been purposefully bending and freezing my right wrist in all my strokes. I think that's why I have no "mashing" going on and not much of anything else. I basically block the ball around the course.

I started "freewheeling" a bit more the other night by doing everything to my "27-9" Tour Tempo rhythm. It was exhausting doing everything that fast! LOL

So Stationary Head, Standard Address, RFT-Pivot/Tilt (Hip Slide), 1....2/3 for a Swing? We'll see!

And the Hitter, with an unfrozen, non-deliberate BRW, starts at Stationary Head, slight Impact Fix (?) (I think I overdo Impact Fix), RFT...Straighten/Hit?

We'll see!

Ooops, we have choices!

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Originally posted by Bagger.

For swingers, you have a choice. As MJ says, CF will uncock the left wrist automatically. But you can intentionally uncock. The nice thing about TGM is you have choices. The main thing is the swinger sequences the downstroke so you uncock first, then roll. You can vary how and where this occurs in the downstroke.

Bagger

Wow!

ICT

Someday, It'll be this easy, I HOPE!

Throw out or Drive out?

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Originally posted by Yoda.

Yes, mb6606.

When Swinging, I use Horizontal Hinge Action (Flat Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Horizontal Plane through Impact); and when Hitting, I use Angled Hinge Action (Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane through Impact). In the beginning, I trained myself to execute each Hinge Action (2-G) perfectly. First without a Club; then with a Club but without a Ball; and finally, with a Ball, at first in Short Shots, and later, in Full Shots.

I was always a Swinger until I consciously learned to Hit. As a consequence, I had the Swinger's Backstroke with its Start Up Swivel and its End Top; and its Downstroke characterized by Drag Loading, Sequenced Release and Horizontal Hinge Action. When learning to Hit, I had to substitute the approriate Variations:

1. For Standard Wrist Action (with its Start Up Swivel): Angled Hinge Action (10-18-C-2).

2. For an End Top: Straight Line (10-23-A).

3. For Drag Loading: Drive Loading (10-19-A).

4. For Sequenced Release: Simultaneous Release (4-D-0).

5. For Horizontal Hinge Action: Angled Hinge Action (10-10-C).

But today, after assimilating these necessary Mechanical differences, I simply tell my Hands that, on this particular Stroke, we are going to Throw-Out (Left Side Centrifugal Force Drives). Or, on that particular Stroke, we are going to Drive-Out (Right Side Muscular Thrust Drives). Those instructions delivered, the Computer does the rest: The Stroke becomes the automatic execution of a procedure (Chapter 14) in compliance with the Basic Stroke Pattern of either 12-1-0 or 12-2-0 (as modified for the Shot at hand).

We are indeed "fearfully and wonderfully made."

I had better bring several pairs of gloves to Cuscowilla in April, and have hit 1000 balls a week starting the middle of March to prepare!

ICT
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