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KevCarter 01-03-2011 11:38 AM
Patrick,

I really enjoy studying different teachers. As you know, I think we can learn from everybody. That is especially important for teachers as we will get questions on many different theories. We need to separate what we learn from others for our teaching, from the way we go at playing our own game.

While nobody is wrong, their ideas may not mesh with the foundation you are learning here. Don't fall in love with any theories outside of TGM until you work with Lynn in April. Lynn has studied EVERYTHING, and he will teach you Patrick's Method. It will be tailor made, and what you need to work on in your own swing forever. I've seen it, no two people are taught the same thing by Lynn. It's amazing.

Stay the course my friend. Go ahead and study others, but go into Cuscowilla with an open mind knowing that you will leave with the information you need for you and you alone.

To prepare, keep studying the basic foundation of TGM. The Essentials, the Imperatives, 1-L The Machine. Study wrist positions and as our friend Dodger recommends:

7-3
4-D-0
4-D-1
6-B-3-0-1

THE G.O.L.F. SWING IS:
1) THE HINGE ACTION = Clubface Control – 2G
2) Of an ANGULAR MOTION = Club head Control – 2K
3) On an INCLINED PLANE = Club shaft Control – 2F

THE THREE ESSENTIALS ARE:
1) A Stationary Head
2) Balance
3) Rhythm

THE THREE IMPERATIVES ARE:
1) A “Flat” Left Wrist
2) A Club head Lag Pressure Point
3) A Straight Plane Line

THE MACHINE CONTROLS THREE FUNCTIONS
1) The Inclined Plane is CLUBSHAFT Control – See 2-F and 4-0
2) The Pressure Points are CLUBHEAD Control – See 2-K and 4-0
3) The Left Wrist is CLUBFACE Control – See 2-G and 4-0

THE THREE STATIONS OF THE MACHINE
1) ADDRESS - be as prepared as possible
2) THE TOP - be as precise as possible
3) THE FINISH - be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

THE STAR SYSTEM TRIAD
1) ·The THREE IMPERATIVES (2-0)
2) ·Controlling the THREE FUNCTIONS (1-L-A/B/C)
3) ·Through the THREE STATIONS (12-3)

THREE ZONES
1) BODY CONTROL Pivot Body Balance
2) CLUB CONTROL Power Arms Force
3) BALL CONTROL Purpose Hands Direction

Focus on the MACDONALD DRILLS.
Since you and I worked together last summer, I have learned that everything you need for your weight transfer and hip motion is in those drills!

The more you KNOW the basics and have them ingrained in your computer, the faster you move to the next level in your lessons.

GEOMETRICALLY ORIENTED LINEAR FORCE
If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY



Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 11:46 AM
Thanks Kevin. I will be reporting back as I go through the checklist.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80864)
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80878)
Patrick,

I really enjoy studying different teachers. As you know, I think we can learn from everybody. That is especially important for teachers as we will get questions on many different theories. We need to separate what we learn from others for our teaching, from the way we go at playing our own game.

While nobody is wrong, their ideas may not mesh with the foundation you are learning here. Don't fall in love with any theories outside of TGM until you work with Lynn in April. Lynn has studied EVERYTHING, and he will teach you Patrick's Method. It will be tailor made, and what you need to work on in your own swing forever. I've seen it, no two people are taught the same thing by Lynn. It's amazing.

Stay the course my friend. Go ahead and study others, but go into Cuscowilla with an open mind knowing that you will leave with the information you need for you and you alone.

To prepare, keep studying the basic foundation of TGM. The Essentials, the Imperatives, 1-L The Machine. Study wrist positions and as our friend Dodger recommends:

7-3
4-D-0
4-D-1
6-B-3-0-1

THE G.O.L.F. SWING IS:
1) THE HINGE ACTION = Clubface Control – 2G
2) Of an ANGULAR MOTION = Club head Control – 2K
3) On an INCLINED PLANE = Club shaft Control – 2F

THE THREE ESSENTIALS ARE:
1) A Stationary Head
2) Balance
3) Rhythm

THE THREE IMPERATIVES ARE:
1) A “Flat” Left Wrist
2) A Club head Lag Pressure Point
3) A Straight Plane Line

THE MACHINE CONTROLS THREE FUNCTIONS
1) The Inclined Plane is CLUBSHAFT Control – See 2-F and 4-0
2) The Pressure Points are CLUBHEAD Control – See 2-K and 4-0
3) The Left Wrist is CLUBFACE Control – See 2-G and 4-0

THE THREE STATIONS OF THE MACHINE
1) ADDRESS - be as prepared as possible
2) THE TOP - be as precise as possible
3) THE FINISH - be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

THE STAR SYSTEM TRIAD
1) ·The THREE IMPERATIVES (2-0)
2) ·Controlling the THREE FUNCTIONS (1-L-A/B/C)
3) ·Through the THREE STATIONS (12-3)

THREE ZONES
1) BODY CONTROL Pivot Body Balance
2) CLUB CONTROL Power Arms Force
3) BALL CONTROL Purpose Hands Direction

Focus on the MACDONALD DRILLS.
Since you and I worked together last summer, I have learned that everything you need for your weight transfer and hip motion is in those drills!

The more you KNOW the basics and have them ingrained in your computer, the faster you move to the next level in your lessons.

GEOMETRICALLY ORIENTED LINEAR FORCE
If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY



Kevin
I will compare these sections with Lynn's videos and the other insightful posts found here and report back. I am in love only with effective golf and LBG. :) I am very fond of MN and (IL and Toronto) I'm sure I will become fond of Cuscowilla.

ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 12:27 PM
THX Daryl, Kevin,OB, Bernt, & Lynn. I looked up "right forearm" in our search engine.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80687)
Hi ICT,

You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult.

My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much.

I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg.

The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door.

If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action".

How is your Posture? Are you bending enough?

All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym.

Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix.
I found this quote: # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Part of this response from Yoda is this (my bold):

Quote:
3. In the shorter Non-Pivot Strokes, Swingers should use the Magical RightForearm Takeaway (7-3) on the Backstroke; then, on the Downstroke, use theMinor Basic Left Arm Pull Stroke (10-3-D) to Pull the Clubthrough Impact. In the longer Strokes -- from the Top -- they should emphasizethe Right Shoulder Turn thrust of the #4 Accumulator (6-B-4-0/A/B/C) to 'crankup the gyroscope' of Centrifugal Force.

Hitters -- with or without Shoulder Turn Thrust -- should use the RightArm Throw (10-20-B) to Trigger the Release, and then use Right Elbow Drive (6-B-1-0/A/B/C) to Push the Club through Impact. If you are morecomfortable with this latter action, then use it and learn The Joy ofHitting. A technique that emphasizes Right Arm Power is more'natural' to most of us, and because of the active sensing of MuscularThrust -- as opposed to the passive sensing of Centrifugal Force --it is the best way to learn to use the Right Forefinger #3 Pressure Point.The key to the effective use of the Right Arm is learning to straighten itwithout Flattening the Bent Right Wrist. Experiment and see which way worksbest for you.
Question 1) I have a 3-wood in the closet here for use during my class prep time. With my right wrist level and bent is it not automatically on the club shaft plane since the wrists are level? (2+2)

Question 2) Am I right in thinking this set-up solves a lot of problems, Hitting or Swinging?

Question 3) If 1 and 2 are right, wouldn't HK say that the rest of the golf swing is a personal preference?

Question 4) But wouldn't HK also say that TSP is pretty damn effective and you should give it a spin otherwise you'll just wind up like the rest of the world on the Elbow Plane?

Question 5) To get to the Elbow Plane (on purpose) couldn't I could keep my level wrists on my club of choice and simply bend my right elbow? Otherwise, I"m what ever designated plane my arms are extending from?

I can't get you tube at school but I'll try to get Phil's pictures from the net. Daryl, where did you post the TSP pro's?

Thanks for your efforts. I'll benefit from them.

ICT

KevCarter 01-03-2011 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80879)
I will compare these sections with Lynn's videos and the other insightful posts found here and report back.

ICT
LOL

My post came off badly. I know your intentions are great, just want to help you to NOT fall into the same trap I do constantly. :laughing9

Kevin

KevCarter 01-03-2011 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80883)
I found this quote: # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Part of this response from Yoda is this (my bold):



Question 1) I have a 3-wood in the closet here for use during my class prep time. With my right wrist level and bent is it not automatically on the club shaft plane since the wrists are level? (2+2)

Question 2) Am I right in thinking this set-up solves a lot of problems, Hitting or Swinging?

Question 3) If 1 and 2 are right, wouldn't HK say that the rest of the golf swing is a personal preference?

Question 4) But wouldn't HK also say that TSP is pretty damn effective and you should give it a spin otherwise you'll just wind up like the rest of the world on the Elbow Plane?

Question 5) To get to the Elbow Plane (on purpose) couldn't I could keep my level wrists on my club of choice and simply bend my right elbow? Otherwise, I"m what ever designated plane my arms are extending from?

I can't get you tube at school but I'll try to get Phil's pictures from the net. Daryl, where did you post the TSP pro's?

Thanks for your efforts. I'll benefit from them.

ICT
1) Peek at my 06 Magic of the Right Forearm document. There are passages of other teachers including YODA explaining how to get that Right Forearm on plane at address.

2) It takes away the need for more compensations.

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." -- LYNN BLAKE

3) Absolutely. Except for the Imperatives.

"I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it." -- HOMER KELLEY

4) Here is what Mr. Kelley said towards the end. I believe this would include the TSP...

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).

• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.

• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.

5) Good question. I'll leave that one for the others.

As always, just my opinions, please see my signature. I will sit back and learn from the others along with you.

Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 12:59 PM
Ok, so here is a TSP?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80864)
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.
http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/art...0392-4,00.html

Daryl, if I'm following you, the above picture DOES NOT indicate, necessarily, a TSP.

Does the following picture indicate TSP?


How does this last picture indicate TSP? Is it due to his straight Left arm which is not on the elbow plane? Is a non-bent arm always (mostly) a TSP or some kind of Shoulder Plane?

One last question for now, D. How Does Gregg Mchatton ignore the RFT in his videos? If every damn thing is passive, and the hip loads and then discharges, he is simply missing a lot of power isn't he? Doyle, too? Or would they say that CF is everything. I think I understand that there is a little EA for those guys. We can swing with our wedges intact but they seem to really emphasize their soft arms and hands. Do we recommend the same stuff but in person?

Thanks.

ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 01:52 PM
The only warm-up session I'll use at Cuscowilla.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80884)
LOL

My post came off badly. I know your intentions are great, just want to help you to NOT fall into the same trap I do constantly. :laughing9

Kevin
And everywhere else, BTW, is this one. # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Quote:
Enough already. You've got a round to play tomorrow. Here's what to do:

Tonight.

Go into Impact Fix (8-2) and then backinto Adjusted Address (8-3). Over and over. Note the terrific difference inLeft Wrist Locations between the two. Also, be critically aware of the ForwardLean of the Clubshaft in Fix as opposed to the almostright-angled-to-the-Line alignment in Adjusted Address. Finally, Monitorcarefully the difference in the Wrist Alignments, i.e., Flat at Fix, Bent atAdjusted Address.

You may be able to accomplish the correct alignments in Fix, but fail totallyin real time. If so, the problem may well lie in your Right Shoulder location.In Fix, make sure you keep that Right Shoulder down (On Plane per 7-13).You're probably coming into Impact too high, and as a result, you're "runningout of right arm," an automatic throwaway. From the Top, turn yourRight Shoulder directly toward the Ball and then through it, and continueto Trace the Straight Plane Line with it into the Follow-Through. PictureTrevino's Right Shoulder Down on plane through impact and let it happen.

Finally, per the last paragraph in 7-3, from Fix, use your Right Elbow Action(the Magic of the Right Forearm) to move the club up, in and back on plane.Learn to feel that originating motion.
And then...
Quote:
Tomorrow.

In your pre-game warm-up, emphasizeyour Impact Fix position before each shot. Focus first on the very shortones -- Acquired Motion per 12-5-2, Right Forearm no higher than level withthe ground. Take the motion to the end of the Follow-Through -- BothArms Straight Position -- and make sure your left wrist is flat and yourright wrist has remained bent. Hit a lot of these shots and monitor thefollow-through -- which is also the finish in this case -- and ask:

First Imperative: "Is my Left Wrist Flat? Is my Right WristBent?"

Second Imperative: "Did I feel and sustain the loading pressureagainst the passive first joint of my Right Forefinger throughout theDownstroke, Impact, the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight) and even into myFinish?

Third Imperative: "Did I trace the Straight Plane Line? And did Idirect the Clubhead Lag Down -- through the Ball, throughthe Aiming Point, through the Low Point, through to the end ofthe Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position)?"

Then, do what you can to achieve these alignments during your full Strokes. Donot think of how you're going to do it, just focus on your objective.

I think this is what Daryl was saying earlier, or a big part of it. If my Alignments are correct at Impact Fix, I can then Pivot down sending my right shoulder and # 3 PP to replicate the Impact Fix position down through China. That is our version of the Swing. I'm still looking for TSP. :)

ICT

KevCarter 01-03-2011 01:57 PM
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 03:47 PM
Thanks Kevin! I knew I had read about this, just not where!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80901)
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm # 1

I'm going to quote the whole thing because it is so damn elegant:

Quote:
he Ideal Inclined Plane
brianmanzella wrote:

So Yoda, what would the "IDEAL" downstroke plane be?



Those Planes aligned between the Elbow and Shoulder Planes have become the mostwidely accepted. Clubs cannot be built to be perfectly soled and still alignthe Clubshaft with more than one Plane Angle Reference point, and these Planesallow the Toe or Heel to be adjusted to fit either the flatter or steeper Plane(7-6).

Specifically, for G.O.L.F.ers, the Ideal Plane would be the TurnedShoulder Plane (10-6-B). Here the Magic of the Right Forearm/ElbowAction (7-3) executes the Three Dimensional Start-Up (Up, In, andBack) and also, the Three Dimensional Impact (Down, Out andForward) (2-F). Combined with the Downstroke Shoulder Turn of 10-13-D,this Plane Angle has a Zero Shift (10-7-A) and thus "far betterperformance characteristics than any other" (10-6-B).

__________________
Yoda

Did I mention how much I enjoy this site? :laughing9 :hello2: :angel1: :clap:

I'm getting warmer in finding the TSP! I know it is above the Elbow Plane! It is also pretty steep!

ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 03:52 PM
Kevin, the TSP can be a HIt also?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80901)
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin
Wow! KABLAMO! oooooobabyoooooobabyoooooo!
:laughing9


ICT


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