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Originally Posted by chipingguru (Post 82056)

In regard to Mr. Doyle, in my recent lessons he did mention the swinging to first base. He definately emphasised a "sit and tilt" action. When we looked at my video he saw my right shoulder way too high and looked like he had seen a rattlesnake. "We gotta fix that, it won't work, your out of right arm".

And work we did, work work work.

A few nuggets:

Use left shoulder to set right arm(over right shoulder)
first move sit and tilt, draging the club off the roof, then in the gutter (feel #3 pressure point)(but end of club toward first base)
Left shoulder toward left ear
Right arm down toward belt buckle
then "fire with pivot" till wrists "kiss"
maintain flexibility in neck, ankles, wrists

A lot of other stuf too of course, but i think that captures the basic Doyle version of the first base stuff.

I'll bet it is a huge thrill just to meet Mr. Doyle, just like it was for me meeting YODA. It would be the same for Mr. Sloan and several others. A shame it's too late for us newcomers to meet Mr. Tomasello, so important to keep all their work alive!

Kevin

Take a look at 7-10 Hinge Action! May give you the information you are looking for!:salut:

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 82046)

True dodger , true. Swinging to first base could help a guy who tends to cut across it to get his delivery line aligned to a square plane line. Opposites or whatever. Thats the way they used to teach golf when I was a kid. Got a slice? Here's a hook swing, kid.

But and this is a big but to my mind....without knowing the true underlying geometry you will be forever going back and forth between too much and too little of whatever your compensating move is. Why not just know the correct geometry and in the face of the common cut across path, keep THRUSTING OUT until the clubhead blur is consistent with a straight line plane line?

To my mind this is one of Homer's best messages to the hacker on the tee. But I fear sometimes the message gets lost in.... the details or whatever.

And for the record Ive goofed with T.T.'s forget the pivot just throw the arms thing ...........I'd never say its all wrong. In fact , Ive got some video of guys chopping down trees with axes, pro loggers and those guys have pivots Id kill for. With probably zero thought to having one, those guys are just throwing their arms and axe at the tree. But with Moe Norman like Pivots. I dunno.

No disagreement O.B. Left, valid points all. I think there are different feels required to obtain the correct geometry. A thought of throw the arms while keeping the body still is really a feel, not a mechanic. My arms have always lagged behind in the swing, that feel works well for me, as does the thought of swinging down into the ground, not towards the target. However, for other golfers with the opposite tendency, those feels may not work at all.

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 82054)

Horizontal Hinging -- Roll Feel produces Full Roll of the Clubface.

Angled Hinging -- No Roll Feel produces Half Roll of the Clubface.

Vertical Hinging -- Reverse Roll Feel produces No Roll of the Clubface.

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Thanks Yoda.

Edz had a great Horizontal Hinging drill , maybe one of yours originally, where you start on a level to the ground plane and then incrementally drop the club down to a golf like plane. Ill try to find it for this thread. It makes the above head scratcher come clear.

Even the "full" roll of the clubface can be overdone too. Heck you can over do anything probably..... except for Lag Pressure maybe.

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Originally Posted by dodger (Post 82060)

The war against Steering has been fought with any and all means. Im fascinated by it all actually.

Im really glad Yoda and Bagger put those T.T. and Ben Doyle tapes up. Im going to research Alex Sloan as well. What Id give to see Homer on the tee with those three guys in the first GSEM class. Man. Ive heard the mention of a video tape.....anyone seen it?

How's the LBG time machine coming along Daryl? Set it for Seattle 1981, the beanery. Just going to hang out there till Homer walks in with those guys. 900 am on a monday morning not sure of the date. Might buy some IBM stock and gold too while im there. Call my dad etc.

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 82063)

I think that if Homer were here, he would be participating on LBG.com 24/7. :)

Alex Sloan is a great guy. As of a few months ago he was still playing well. Very accessible guy, will talk by email. His infallible golf video is cool also. I think he is in Florence Alabama.

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82068)

I think that if Homer were here, he would be participating on LBG.com 24/7. :)

So true...and he is in a way of speaking .....

Becoming truly Horizontally Hinged

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82068)

I think that if Homer were here, he would be participating on LBG.com 24/7. :)

Ok, I think I've come to understand why I can't hit my driver out of my shadow, even my Weight Watcher's 5 lb. reduced shadow. :p

I never hook a drive, I push drives. I block drives (they go high down the middle and drop to the right), I do not compress the ball since the average of my drives is less than 195 yards.

I do not Finish Swivel. So what the heck am I doing. According to TT, I am Angle hinging all over the place. So the question is how to do the HH.

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Originally posted by JTillery

Anyway, the point is to train your hands what their role is........this will give you a feel that you can duplicate. While HH is a hinge pin mounted perpendicular to the ground and your left arm and club is serving as the blade.................please don't think about that when its time to hit a ball. Your hands have a job to do and because you're on an angled plane, to get that toe down the line its gonna feel like a pretty substantial roll. Show yourself a few times where your hands need to go, then let em go. I remember Ted Fort talking about this one day telling me "you ain't gonna believe how reckless its gotta feel"

I've worked very hard to feel the total opposite. Stiff right wrist/Firm, Flat Left Wrist, Angle Hinge if you got 'em!

Now the movies. Lynn, TT, Ted, everyone is firing the right arm. The only question is when or where on the downswing. I guess the bottom line is to feel the toe of the club pass the heel through impact, roll on that line, but just don't jump the gun by doing impact as a Finish Swivel!

So how do I leave my hands at the Top yet fire them past my front hip? If I leave my hands at the Top and Pivot, there is no way my toe of my club is passing the heel of the club unless I "snap" my hands big time by slamming the breaks on the Pivot!

I am confused! The good news is that I am hitting short irons and hybrids well, dead on line, and they stop.

It seems like I'm going to have to start using the left side of the course! UGH! Unless, I do the VJT and catch the ball earlier on the hitting arc and spin my hands like a motha!? Is that what Hogan did, Jones? Is that "Freewheeling?" Twirl that forearm while pushing almost straight down to the right foot to Both Arms Straight?

GEEZ, my brain hurts.

ICT

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82088)

I do not Finish Swivel. So what the heck am I doing. According to TT, I am Angle hinging all over the place. So the question is how to do the HH.

I've worked very hard to feel the total opposite. Stiff right wrist/Firm, Flat Left Wrist, Angle Hinge if you got 'em!

Now the movies. Lynn, TT, Ted, everyone is firing the right arm. The only question is when or where on the downswing. I guess the bottom line is to feel the toe of the club pass the heel through impact, roll on that line, but just don't jump the gun by doing impact as a Finish Swivel!

It's not complicated.

Position the Ball at Lowpoint, because Ball Location determines the Angle of Approach. Widen your Stance to Shoulder Width (important). Grip the Club with your Right Hand only and create the Right Forearm Flying Wedge (Bend that Right Wrist). Turn the Right Hand Flying Wedge until the Clubshaft is On-Plane. Move that assembly into Impact Alignment without "flashing" your Right Hand (Impact in the Turned Alignment). Notice the Clubface remains stable as it closes (Toe passing heel) and very important, please notice that your right Forearm is aligned on the Angle of Approach when the Clubhead reaches Impact.

When your Right Forearm at Impact has reached the Angle of Approach, it's On-Plane and if you were to attach a dowel rod to your Right Forearm it would Point to the Plane line about 15 yards ahead of the Ball while on the TSP and about 5 yards ahead of the Ball if you used the Elbow Plane. (depends on Club Length)

This causes the Clubface to "Close Only" through Impact. If you consistently (persistently) hit Push Shots, it's because you haven't closed the Clubface, which is because your Right Forearm hasn't reached the Angle of Approach, which is because ........of the many possible reasons, it's most likely that you don't know what you should be trying to do. Once you understand what you're trying to do, it's pretty easy to do it.

Don't think that because you brought a "Turned Right Wrist and Right Arm Flying Wedge" into Impact that you haven't "Rolled". You have Rolled! You've "Rolled" around an Axis perpendicular to the Horizontal Plane. And, your Left Forearm Flying Wedge will Roll about the Hinge because of your Flat Left Wrist.

Using the above procedure will allow (Force) your Left Wrist to remain Vertical to the Horizontal Plane through the Impact Interval. And, Very Stable....without flashing your Hands.

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2G...These motions actually duplicate the three possible hinge mountings – horizontal, vertical and angled – representing all three Basic Planes (7-5). The Hands can be educated to reproduce them by holding at least one Hand vertical or parallel to the corresponding Basic Plane. These motions also duplicate the motions of paddles of a paddlewheel rotating around its axis vertical to one of the three Basic Planes. And an equivalent could be “Clubface Paddlewheel Action” executed as a Left Wrist Paddlewheel Motion. Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0.