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KevCarter 06-13-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 64998)
VERY NICE!!!

Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.

Thanks for posting up.

Burley was ahead of his time on that diagram. It reminds me a lot of Plummer & Bennett's teaching of the point of tangency, as well as Luther BlackLock's radial system. Burley has a lot to offer, and I hope he sticks with TGM and LBG, the only way to fly!

Kevin

BurleyGolf 06-13-2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 64999)
B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?

Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

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12 piece bucket 06-14-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65003)
Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

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I guess what I was after is Mr. Hogan seemed to swing his arms very close to his body thru the ball with the club exiting low and left. There are many down the line pictures where the butt cap is hidden by his body but the clubhead is still out and moving low left. His arms seemed to work close and with his body.

Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there.

BurleyGolf 06-14-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 65047)
I guess what I was after is Mr. Hogan seemed to swing his arms very close to his body thru the ball with the club exiting low and left. There are many down the line pictures where the butt cap is hidden by his body but the clubhead is still out and moving low left. His arms seemed to work close and with his body.

Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there.



I think that LB has it pretty much nailed on the head its' "Aiming Point". Hogan's aiming point was inside left instead of just out of front toe. I see Hogan really pushing the club with his right hand and rotation of the upper trunk controls the face. As for the connection keep upper left arm peck conection and the right was about getting into position on the down swing so he could use the right to push and turn.

hardpan 06-15-2009 08:31 PM

"Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side."

That right there sold you a book, hope to have by the weekend :)

Daryl 06-15-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hardpan (Post 65156)
"Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side." :)

Can you phrase that in TGM terminology?

TGM states two ways of applying force to the club through the release and impact interval. Push or pull. It's pretty rudimentary.

When you say that Hogan was a "Rotary Pusher" do you mean that his body rotated in a circle and he pushed the club through impact?

BurleyGolf 06-15-2009 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65158)
Can you phrase that in TGM terminology?


I will tell you what! I love the heck out of what Yoda teaches and I do not know all the terms to TGM, I have never even read the book. I have watched Yoda's video's, emailed him, and picked up information from this site and others. I love sharing my knowledge and learning! Most people like to hear what I have to say, (Except @ Golfwrx) I have been banned there more times than The Bible's in Congress!

I really try to watch what I say here because I do not want to over step any of Yoda's great knowledge, but when it comes to asking question about TGM or talking about Hogan, I usaly don't hold back! So, to answer your question, I am not able to put it into TGM terms but I hope to be able to one day as I increase my knowledge of TGM.

BurleyGolf 06-15-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 65158)
Can you phrase that in TGM terminology?

TGM states two ways of applying force to the club through the release and impact interval. Push or pull. It's pretty rudimentary.

When you say that Hogan was a "Rotary Pusher" do you mean that his body rotated in a circle and he pushed the club through impact?


I mean he held an angle that he created and that let him push and turn as hard as he wanted with the right side! The increase in angle in the back of the right wrist from the top allowed him to do several things at once he needed to preform his swing. It let him layoff the club, create lag, get the right elbow in position, and bow the left wrist by increase angle in the back of the right wrist. The increase of angle is the pushing, the upper trunk is the rotation and "BOTH" controled the lie, loft, and angle of the face so he could go at it as hard as he wanted!

12 piece bucket 06-15-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 65161)
I mean he held an angle that he created and that let him push and turn as hard as he wanted with the right side! The increase in angle in the back of the right wrist from the top allowed him to do several things at once he needed to preform his swing. It let him layoff the club, create lag, get the right elbow in position, and bow the left wrist by increase angle in the back of the right wrist. The increase of angle is the pushing, the upper trunk is the rotation and "BOTH" controled the lie, loft, and angle of the face so he could go at it as hard as he wanted!

If you have a chance to freeze frame this swing there's some amazing pictures and alignments here . . . there aren't many even close to the same zip code as this golf swing . . . beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3dhY1Qi1k

Daryl 06-15-2009 10:53 PM



It looks like pulling. I didn't see a single indication of any #1 Thrusting.


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