Confirmed swinger?
 

To me, he is still swinging as I don't see much a difference between now and the video.

But if someone knows, I'm still interested in a confirmation of what Brian is really doing...:think:

Brian Gay -- Hitter or Swinger?
 

Brian feels he uses his Right Arm a lot during the Impact Interval. That would explain why setting his Right Forearm On Plane at Address these past three years has made such a tremendous difference for him. Also, his abbreviated Backstroke is indicative of Drive Loading, and despite his extremely fast Downstroke Shoulder Turn, his Hip and Shoulder 'separation' is minimal. Finally, all his Short Shot and 'through Impact' posed alignments tend toward Angled Hinging (with its 'bad shot' being a 'Push Cut).

So, the jury is out, but as near as I can figure, he's Hitting, and these are the alignments we've emphasized. On the other hand, Brian's good TOUR friend, John Riegger, thinks he's Swinging.

Most of us need to take a page from Jeff Hull's book and not worry so much about it. Pay attention to the Impact alignments -- per 1-L #20, the Geometry is identical for every Machine -- and let your natural instincts dictate the Physics of the Action.

:salut:

Yoda,

The more I watch the video, the more I realize how beautifully simple Brian's motion is. We all try to make it so complicated, and you've just moved it into as few moving parts as possible... Just solid structure. Am I on the right track?

Thanks,
Kevin

Yoda

Often in the real world we observe neither black nor white but grey.

Thanks for this.

ob

#5 in Scramble
 

Brian is also very well ranked (#5 actually) in the PGA Tours stats in Scrambling and if I remember well, it was also the case last year.
I guess that his right forearm on plane in chipping helps a lot to start the ball consistently on the right track.

I also never saw him much using cut shots with an open-open stance. Instead, I see a lot of square-square + right foream on plane: I remember Dave Pelz in his Short Game bible saying that ball's behaviour (bounce/roll/scatter) was more reliable.

I've been looking over all our V1 and JC video swings this winter and it looks like the two biggest differences between Brian's swing and other professionals is the right forearm on plane and his hips seem to be much less open at impact.

I assume it's due to somewhat of a hitting action. What sort of differences do you all see between the forearm on plane and the hands hanging straight down? In my own tinkering, the forearm on plane makes clubshaft control so much easier, but it seems harder to cock the left wrist with the forearm on plane.

Straight Man
 

Both alignments are pure TGM.

Per 2-F, holding the Right Forearm On Plane at Address (9-2-1 #2) facilitates an On Plane Right Forearm at Impact (9-2-10 #2). See the photos in Post #102 here: http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...t=2383&page=11. And enjoy #91, too (my computer system gives me an enlarged click-on slide show of all 17 images; hope yours does, too). Pivot Action will cause the Right Elbow to be more bent at Impact, but the Feel (of Address and Impact) will remain the same.

As you have noted, Brian's Hips are "comparatively squared away" through Impact. This prevents the Body's Rotation from pulling the Hands 'under Plane' (and Off Line) during the Release Interval. This is the Standard Impact Fix condition of the Body (10-8-A / Editions 1-6). Sadly and ignorantly, the owner/editor of Edition 7 posthumously eliminated author Homer Kelley's longstanding language and reference to this most important characteristic.

In Start Up and Backstroke, the Right Elbow bends and leaves its On Plane alignment at Address. As the Right Elbow moves Off Plane, so does the Right Forearm. Then, as the Body turns and the Right Elbow bends and lifts the Left Arm (7-3), the Left Wrist Turns On Plane and Cocks.

Properly understood and executed, there is no conflict.

:salut:

Would this be another clue that Brian is hitting? More cross line hip action versus spinning the fly wheel?

Standard Impact Fix Alignments
 

I teach the Standard Fix (10-8-A) to both Hitters and Swingers. At Impact, the Left Wrist is Flat and the Right Wrist is Bent; the Weight is slightly left; and the Hips are "comparatively squared away," i.e., only slightly leading the square Shoulders.

:salut:

So what is it that determine how open the hips will be at impact?
Right elbow?
Planeangle?
Impact fix?

thanks
Anders