Thanks Bucket - what has really surprised me was how central balance is to hands controlling pivot - but only when the hands can sense lag and the brain knows where that lag is being aimed...

I was surprised that angled delivery path is reproducible using 2 aiming points...one for the plane shift ( hands drop vertically but on plane) and then one ( the normal one ) towards the ball.... but the surprise came from the pivot seeming to respond to the "force assignment" that the hands command...

... and it seems like it is balance that does the work... it listens to the "force assignment" being delivered by the hands....fits it into its on-going task of balance +steady head etc.... and then tells your pivot what it need to do ...all without having to think about it....

Your first move, dragging the butt of the club down to the ground, I believe is what is referred to as taking the arrow from the quiver per 10-19-C.

The hip slide caused by pulling the hands down seems to be the equivalent of what Tom Tomasello talks about on his tapes when he says, from the top fo the swing, you sould reconnect the right elbow to the right hip. Tomasello says that the movement will automatically cause the hip to bump out or slide (I'm paraphrasing).

Anyway, please keep posting your thoughts in the lab, this is a great thread.

long...sorry...beware rambling!!!
 

Thanks Finster, yes it is an arrow from quiver style motion i think...The picture of Sam Snead with pulleys is DRAG LOADING image...dead right 10-19-C...longitudinal acceleration...pulling....from shoulder high ( "TOP" position) the hands can move in a number of directions (delivery paths)...the one that feels most like a "arrow from a quiver" - at least to my feel - is the angled line delivery path. The hands go almost vertically down but the butt , initially, points away from target...then the hands go in astraight line to the ball and the butt starts to point much more down at the plane line.


Whilst I have seen the Tomasello videos I had never really believed that hand motion caused pivot motion... just on its own....after all, the video shows the hips move before the hands...

So i never really bought that story....

but what i really feel is that it is balance that joins the two together.... hence the rants about HCP ( hand controlled pivot), balance and these pulleys and bungees!!:laughing9

But since i have started thinking about balance i can see how it works...at least for me.

Give the brain 2 tasks...one is to fight to maintain balance...other is to move the hands with lag sensation in a specific direction ( as per delivery path or aiming point)..... lag pressure is thrust and direction!

....you can only drag a heavy lag sensation using the bigger body muscles...so the pivot muscle is still moving the hands ( just as the slow motion video of Tommy transition shows ) ...but it is the requirement to stay balanced ( when a known lag force is being directed in a certain direction) that cause this.

....the brain is programed in advance to do both things ....so it does both things together... You can move your hands and club from transition with just arm motion...no pivot...but there will be instability...in fact the only way you can do this is over-power your own perfect, innate sense of balance with a program of your own making...usually based on a flawed idea of how the clubface has to strike the ball! BUT...

The body is so well hard-wired to maintain stability in the light of varying forces, that , if we let it and "keep out of its way" it will do it all for us!

.... if we examine the task in hand...break it down .....learn what the "force assignment" is...then get the body to recognize and enter this force into the "balance equation" , an equation that it solves in milliseconds on a continuous basis... then just use balance to get the job done!

The pictures of Snead and Ted were my way of visualising and experiencing the specific "force assignment" - pull and push - give your brain a few seconds to work out the most efficient way for your body to apply each force and the body positions ( especially right forearm position/alignment) will be an automatic choice ...see Yoda in "PP3 where are you" video... you can't push DOWN with an elbow that is pointing down like Tiger!! If somebody told you to play the game of "PUSHING DOWN" you would soon realise this.... but sadly we are told to play the game of golf and nobody , until Homer, realised that golf is G.O.L.F ( called either "PULLING DOWN " or "PUSHING DOWN":laughing9 )

Homer broke golf down into G.O.L.F....linear force with alignment of geometry....genius!

Yoda pasionately advocating the dowel drills fell on my slightly deaf ears for best part of 2 years..."my bad" as you guys in US say , i think!....

Now, if i imagine and really feel the force ( in slo-mo I really can hallucinate the heavy sensation that I would experience in the Snead image) and with that sensation I have got something to aim...and NOW the dowels make sense....I just needed force and alignment to make it work for my brain! And i really feel my feet now..even on a 6 foot chip shot... even with an invisible club and a 6 foot chip shot!!:laughing9

Now i have either gone completely mad or I have just changed my name to Paul and walked past a sign that read " Damascus" :laughing9

Hallucinations, hitting 6 foot chips with invisible clubs, feeling your feet for the first time, I'm afraid you have lost your mind, BUT, you may have found your golf game!

Powerdraw, eternally grateful....thanks for this!

Bulldog....great stuff. Your insights to your awarenesses are are only surpassed by the inspiration you are giving. Thanks so much!

spike, you are quite welcome!