Them fat tarz ain't gonna do you no good if there is ice or gravel in the turn . . . you gotta have some friction in your diction. I say there's grease in at the pulley end of the endless belt and you better go slow or your gonna pop your load to quick.

New York City!!??!!!??? . . . you stick with clubhead surface speed . . . people stuck on the titanic too. Bucket still wuvs you.

A Winner!
 

See Bucket, there you go. EdZ understands. He gets it. (at least I think you do).

"What does he get Bagger?"
Well Jay Stewart, EdZ gets a 20 oz. Dry-Aged Texas Ribeye complete with a 16 oz bottle of PACE sauce!
"Huh...Bagger...EdZ is vegan."
Oh...what do we have for backup?
"Well Bagger, there's a hundred pound sack of Collard Greens"
Ed, you've won a 100 pound bag of greens along with a bottle of PACE sauce!
:) :)

Is there an error in the Glossary definition of Pace?

PACE Example – walking vs. running.
Mechanical – The miles per hour (MPH) of a moving body.
Golf – The surface speed of the orbiting Clubhead as differentiated from Rhythm.

My final argument -

You see Bucket, there is a difference between pace and rhythm in that PACE measures the #3 accumulator clubhead travel in MPH (4 feet of surface speed for example) whereas RHYTHM measures the RPM of clubface rotation, and degree of rotation of the clubface.

There are times when hand speed equals clubhead speed such as putting, chipping and pre-release but handspeed is not measured in MPH which is a surface speed calculation, it is measured as RPM around the belt.

#3 is the "true" overtaking rate to measure. Angular velocity converted to roll power.

So you may ask, what is #3 overtaking since it is always inline?

Read 2-P again.

"Uncocking the Left Wrist is Lever Assembly Extension only. Its appearance of "Overtaking" is incidental because it is actually seeking (Overtaking) its maximum RPM, which it already has by reason of the Flat Left Wrist. Therefore, it does not - and must not - affect the Lever Assembly RPM, (the Endless Belt Effect). The #3 Power Accumulator is the true Clubhead overtaking Action by reason of either "Maintaining" or "Returning to" its In-Line relationship and its "Vertical-to-a-plane" Hinge Action Alignment. The Lever Assembly Extention RATE aids the #3 Accumulator Action and is regulated by Trigger Delay until FULL EXTENSION."

And that's all I have to say about that. The Defense of the Glossary definition rests.

Burrr...it's getting cold in here. Anybody else understand it this way or can someone clarify pace vs. rhythm so we can move on to the rest of Buckets list?

Whoever is wrong has to shave their head.

Bagger Gump

If you had a bar of music, you could increase its speed yet the rhythm would be totally unaffected. You can likewise affect the speed of a golf stroke (pace) without any change to its rhythm.

Pace
 

My $.02 worth. For me I think tempo is the speed of the pivot that I want to make for the particular shot I want to hit, this is the same as Pace. Rhythm is the ability to maintain that Tempo (Pace). If I do it right it = a good shot, if not, bad shot.

It's Christmas time and Bagger sings "Ma's cookin' chicken and collard greens, rice and stuffing, macaroni and cheese and Mike O's stealin' presents from under Christmas trees. Mikey chasin' Bagger with a can of mase . . . in stilletto pumps he can't keep up the PACE. So out on the porch the dumb monkey goes . . . with a strange yellow liquid writin' in the snow. Open your eyes lend us an ear . . . Mikey writes Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! . . . and he printed it.

Ossifer . . . there is nothing wrong with the definition of Pace . . . there's something wrong with somebody's understanding of it. Maybe one of the heavies from A-town or from the stinky trunk of a 70's vintage car can clear this up.

It is still my contention that surface speed is at the SURFACE thus the outter part of the circle (end of the radius). Pace is the speed of the motion of the hands . . . the interior part of the circle. As you have so quoted #2 is LEVER EXTENSION ONLY. #2 doesn't in itself make speed it is the moving from a short radius to a long radius hopefully to full extension AFTER the ball is struck. And Rhythm is the glue that binds it all together . . . but if your Pace (handspeed) is wrong for the chosen pulley diameter . . . it all comes UNGLUED.

Anybody seen my glue stick . . . oh there it is . . . Mikey!!! . . . get that outta your nose!!!

I think Bucket gets a check in his column for this'un.

What new math brings you to that conclusion???

Mathew is the second really smart dude to agree with me!:salut:

Now you are trying to call your buddy MikeO into the debate???&H
News flash McMurphy, two lunatics in the cuckoos nest do not make a sane person.

Bambam - why are we allowing Bucket into the TGM Advanced section of this forum???

Rick - I think that is the most common view of tempo and rhythm, but Golfing Machine rhythm is defined differently. I use to think the same thing and it was very confusing trying to understand TGM with that definition. If you are into the book or trying to learn from TGM instruction, you can save yourself a lot of confusion by understanding how Homer defined rhythm.

So far, I think everyone is on the same page regarding TGM rhythm (but I'm having doubts now that Bucket gets it) and the endless belt.

If I'm wrong about anything in my posts I expect to be called out. I left my badge in the wiring closet when I jumped into the ring with Bucket. Bucket is getting wupped regarding Golfing Machine Pace, so he's calling on his lunatic buddy to bring duct tape and bailing wire into the ring.

Bring in your buddy MikeO, but he must agree to have his head shaved if your understanding of pace is wrong. I know MikeO understands rhythm, but if you don't then not only is your head getting shaved, you have to eat cow with pace sauce.:laughing9

By the way McMurphy, what is TGM Rhythm?

Ooooooooo . . . I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GET THAT FIRE IN THE EYES . . . SEXY!!!!


I got TGM Rhythm . . . I been explaining it in the past 3 responses. Rhythm and Pace are different . . . but I contend related . . . it is simply the club keeps its in-line relationship with the left arm regardless of grip while cocking uncocking turning and rolling . . .

but the question is . . . PACE.

We got Rhythm
 

Nahhh, I'm not wound up. Just giving you a hard time to draw out some clarity in definition. You need someone besides MikeO to mess with you.:)
I agree with you they are different and integral to each other.
Iron sharpens Iron buddy and I have some rust on the blade.

To add a few comments on Rhythm. There are a whole are a bunch of people who need to understand these concepts because they are awesome TGM fundamentals. Alot of this is in 2-G and 7-18.

There is a Rhythm of left arm/club RPM independent of lever extension and a Rhythm of Hinge Action (clubface roll).

Rhythm is holding the left arm and clubshaft at the same RPM throughout the stroke while the flail allows the overtaking of components at an even rate. Can we call this "constant hand speed"?

In terms of hinge action - roll is imparted by the turning torso and/or orbiting arms 2-G. and is facilitated or produced by the extension of the right elbow. Hinge Action Rhythm is the motion (degree and rate of roll) of the clubface based on one of the three possible planes; Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical. The motion is executed on an inclined plane so the motion (rhythm) is either full roll horizontal, half roll angled, or no roll vertical. That is the rhythm of hinging and it is an overtaking component.

Why can't we just say "Tempo"?
Why did Homer use the term Rhythm instead of Tempo?

Tempo is the overall speed of a pattern.
Rhythm is group of timing intervals. The intervals may be even or uneven.
Tempo can consist of multiple rhythmic patterns.

What about Pace?
Pace is a measure of speed.

I'm not a musician, but I'm certain there are direct analogies for Pace, Rhythm and Tempo.

Mad Genius
 

Stand Back! Genius at work! :) A Sick Genius but non the less a Genius. How's your novel coming along- I'm predicting you'll outsell that Harry Potter lady!