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6bmike 03-13-2008 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by curtisj76 (Post 51086)
What if I don't feel any pressure (at least I don't think so) in my #3?

Thanks


PS I don't flip it
Hey Bucket said it. Check out the video PP3 where are you? PP3 can be direct or passive but it is there and you need to sense it. Its a journey and that incubator needs to be carry along with you. But I believe as Yoda taugh, that pp3 is the clubhead- and the beginning of the sweet spot plane to the clubface. use it wellCurtisj76

12 piece bucket 03-13-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 51093)
6-B-0 GENERAL page 66, 6th edition

...A hanging Driver weighs less than one pound, but at arms length the deltoids (2-M-3) are supporting about four pounds – considering the arm weight as negligible. But with arm and club parallel to the ground, the Wrist is supporting close to six pounds and the deltoids about ten.

These are static weight calculations. I was just thinking that if we consider the forces placed upon the Hands (Clamps) generated from Pivot Lag, and recalculate the weight of Pressure in the Hands during the Downswing, It would seem that the answer may be more than ounces. I was curious as to how the "Ounces" are calculated. Perhaps he was refering to something else? Maybe he was thinking of a swing in Slow-M-O-T-I-O-N? Maybe a Chip Shot?

I haven't heard the Tape, but if you have time, maybe you can shed some light on this. :laughing9

Gosh, I wonder how the people who revised the 7th edition missed this. Merely having some indication of the amount of pressure on the right forefinger to sense the Lagging Clubhead would be invaluable to help guide someone. I know from experience that dragging a wet mop places about 20 pounds of pressure on my right forefinger. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong??
D,

You know about the menance that stalks all Lag and Drag right? there are much more interial forces acting on a mop . . . Overacceleration typically is caused by adding too much load to the system. You have to have a structure that can support the load . . . I'd say if you feel 20 lbs . . . you bust the structure.

The Book should come with audio.

Daryl 03-13-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 51095)
D,

You know about the menance that stalks all Lag and Drag right? there are much more interial forces acting on a mop . . . Overacceleration typically is caused by adding too much load to the system. You have to have a structure that can support the load . . . I'd say if you feel 20 lbs . . . you bust the structure.

The Book should come with audio.
Well said Bucket. I agree that too much #3 PP can cause Clubhead Throwaway. However I’m just not sure about the Structure suffering from too much pressure on the #3 PP. Perhaps you can explain where and when the Structural breakdown occurs?

Also, if it's not too much trouble, help me out with one more thing. If I swing a driver at 107 mph and I use about 12 ounces of pressure, should I have 12 ounces of pressure when I swing the driver at 50 mph or should the pressure be less?

6bmike 03-13-2008 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 51098)
Well said Bucket. I agree that too much #3 PP can cause Clubhead Throwaway. However I’m just not sure about the Structure suffering from too much pressure on the #3 PP. Perhaps you can explain where and when the Structural breakdown occurs?

Also, if it's not too much trouble, help me out with one more thing. If I swing a driver at 107 mph and I use about 12 ounces of pressure, should I have 12 ounces of pressure when I swing the driver at 50 mph or should the pressure be less?
Throw away is a combo all misused pressure points and being to handsy without respecting your rhythm. Pushing the shaft and not driving pp 3 with the right hand is a disaster. PP3 can not break the left half of the flying wedge so it can only push against a flat left wrist.

okie 03-13-2008 01:18 PM
overaccelaration hangover?
 
A dose of reality. I am 5.9, and weighed 160 in college. So not the biggest/strongest guy in town. I had a swing that was based on the full tilt principle...close your eyes and force...in order to keep up with the gorillas out there. It looked under control, but every sinew was twanging! Finding the maximum load my flying wedges has been a bitter sweet kinda thing. I have it under reasonable control...for the first time...but I feel as though I have lost some yards albeit "wild yards." Has anyone else experienced the same thing? This all reminds me of what my father said to me after my first range session "Stop coming out of your shoes, boy!" I used to live the occassional 300 + sunday best! The reality check is that I am swinging as "hard" as I realistically can. Overaccelaration is an opiate!

Daryl 03-13-2008 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6bmike (Post 51099)
Throw away is a combo all misused pressure points and being to handsy without respecting your rhythm. Pushing the shaft and not driving pp 3 with the right hand is a disaster. PP3 can not break the left half of the flying wedge so it can only push against a flat left wrist.
Thank you. It's clear to me that you interpreted Buckets "Breakdown" of the Left Wrist as what he meant by the Breakdown of Structure. I read the Throwaway problem but thought that he was talking about something additional and something else in the Power Package Structure that would Breakdown if too much #3 Pressure Point was applied.

Perhaps you can tell me in "Ounces", the difference in #3 PP pressure between a 100 MPH swing and a 50 MPH swing???

Daryl 03-13-2008 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by okie (Post 51100)
A dose of reality. I am 5.9, and weighed 160 in college. So not the biggest/strongest guy in town. I had a swing that was based on the full tilt principle...close your eyes and force...in order to keep up with the gorillas out there. It looked under control, but every sinew was twanging! Finding the maximum load my flying wedges has been a bitter sweet kinda thing. I have it under reasonable control...for the first time...but I feel as though I have lost some yards albeit "wild yards." Has anyone else experienced the same thing? This all reminds me of what my father said to me after my first range session "Stop coming out of your shoes, boy!" I used to live the occassional 300 + sunday best! The reality check is that I am swinging as "hard" as I realistically can. Overaccelaration is an opiate!
I hear what you're saying. I totally agree. But I thought you were like 90 years old. That puts you in college during WWII. :laughing9

okie 03-13-2008 02:25 PM
Greenhorn
 
Nah...I am still a whipper-snapper! my mom tells me I was "born old" but she added that I have a "look that improves with age!

12 piece bucket 03-13-2008 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 51098)
Well said Bucket. I agree that too much #3 PP can cause Clubhead Throwaway. However I’m just not sure about the Structure suffering from too much pressure on the #3 PP. Perhaps you can explain where and when the Structural breakdown occurs?

Also, if it's not too much trouble, help me out with one more thing. If I swing a driver at 107 mph and I use about 12 ounces of pressure, should I have 12 ounces of pressure when I swing the driver at 50 mph or should the pressure be less?
Remember it is SUSTAIN the Lag . . . not increase the Lag . .. Mike O will argue this point. . . you can increase the Lag but I don't think you want to go nutz with it. The problem lies in cranking up the Lag Pressure really earlier and really hard and you have too much speed too early and end up chasing it instead of driving it.

Homer advocated having a "stock" lag pressure and then adding/subtracting to hit different distances. You are definitely going to have less pressure hitting a driver 50 vs. 270 or whatever.

Probably what you should do is figure out what your sustainable pressure is. Hit the ball with as much pressure as you can put on it. Keep backing off and find your most "consistent" amount of pressure. You want a pressure that allows you hit the ball with authority but control your dispersion. Lotsa times LESS may be be MORE and may be better too.

Experiment with it.

12 piece bucket 03-13-2008 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 51102)
Thank you. It's clear to me that you interpreted Buckets "Breakdown" of the Left Wrist as what he meant by the Breakdown of Structure. I read the Throwaway problem but thought that he was talking about something additional and something else in the Power Package Structure that would Breakdown if too much #3 Pressure Point was applied.

Perhaps you can tell me in "Ounces", the difference in #3 PP pressure between a 100 MPH swing and a 50 MPH swing???
It can make you break down . . . but you can also lose the stress in the shaft and lose the pressure in your pressure points AND NOT BREAKDOWN YOUR ALIGNMENTS . . . BUT YOU STILL THREW THE LAG (PRESSURE). So much lag that you can't sustain the pressure.


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