Moe Norman's comeback in my mind.
 

Just questions watching the Youtube "Celebration Tapes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9l0lr019nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGTiUhQbmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVCyYKe4BL4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxg-RrZOGwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8f_d7RGRRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenB9hwSErE


with "The Hammer Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8oIX8v8H8o

Why I'm interested.

I'll see Yoda in April and I'll have a long list of questions. Once he answers two, I'm sure the rest will be logically deduced and I'll feel like an idiot.

But what Yoda and LBG golf have shown me is the bio-mechanical logic of Plane - based golf. So, every good swing (effective swing) should be a different perspective on the same paradigm, with various compensations (fewer are better).

So hello Mr. Norman! Notes to myself:

1) I've used his swing to shoot an 84 in competition on a course I never saw before and it should've been sub 80 with a little local knowledge.

2) My version of Moe's swing really hits down on the ball and that is so effective.

3) My FBRW holds my whole left hand and is firm while being pulled by the Pivot.

4) Due to some geometry I haven't deduced, Moe's backswing is very effective when hands are shoulder high with EA and RFT or a very slow backward lag to end (shoulders) and a feeling of my front knee being very flexed and the downswing and pull through governed by that strong forward Pivot by straightening that front leg. Half backswing + Full Pivot =250 yard straight drive and solid straight contact with all other clubs being hit down including driver.

5) A wider closed stance makes staying on plane in the downswing easy. The more my front knee bends, the more powerful the Pivot and the straighter and further I hit every club. Norman shot a 60 when he was 65. I'm 52 and will settle for a 65 several times each year until I am 70. : )

6) Stable head over back knee or somewhere allows for full extension and power.

More to come.

Why Moe's swing and Stack and Tilt are the same for me.
 

By lining up in a closed stance or in S&T, all my weight, just about, is on my left and shorter leg. Both swings help me compress the heck out of the ball! As a matter of fact, any Swing or Hit let's me compress the ball like crazy as long as I get all my weight or keep all my weight on my front side! That is why a "half swing" is much more effective for me than a full swing. Once my weight gets to my right side, it is almost impossible to reverse the flow of weight back to my left side in a short amount of time. Both swings start out as being on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

When I swing back until I feel my weight on the inside of my right foot or about to my shoulder, the shot is long and straight.

Maybe I'll always be at a disadvantage not being able to smoothly flow my weight from my back foot to my forward foot? But what if....I started with all my weight on my back/longer leg? Then, I could bump my back hip forward and all that weight would flow "downhill" into the ball. Hmmm... :scratch:

More investigation necessary. Back when I started TGM, I got some incredible distances and pro ball flights from using a punch stroke where my arms came below my shoulder and with a very FBRW, I just pulverized the ball! Time to revisit everything except a FBRW/FLW!

I'm liking winter more, now. :)

ICT

Anybody know what Moe's distances were for various irons and driver?

To me, the swings look like he would hit VERY short, but looks can be deceiving.

Reputation says Moe was pretty long off the tee when he was young. Most of the tapes and pictures of him is from his old days, and even though his swing was close to a one-planer early on, he looked a lot more conventional back then.

On one of those Youtube tapes....
 

or maybe another "client appreciation" setting, Moe said he hit a 4 wood 225 and a driver 310! :???:

Kevin or Jerry will tell you my swing is slowwww, so I'd settle for 250 yards with anything. A strong cold front is giving us another 55 degree day with very strong winds (gusts past 60 mph), but I'm going to the semi-enclosed range with 10 enclosed wooden bays after school and I will be hitting punch shots with everything I have. I bet I can punch my Adams Speed driver 250 yard (on purpose) and my Titleist Z's seem to like my Moe Norman/S& T imitations so they should love the Punch shot!

I'm having a hard time separating the two (Norman/S&T) in my head with both having a closed stance, TSP and weight forward. In S&T my head stays close to my front leg. Norman kept his head back so?

In any case, my swing works best when my weight stays forward. The big experiment today is whether or not I punch better with my weight forward or back entirely on my longer right leg.

I'd love to compare notes with you guys to help my strategic thinking on this. We all need a consistent Swing or Hit to have a chance to really use our short game so if you are doing something that is working as you play with these TGM variables, please let me know! :)

Four of Yoda's tapes still blow me away. The Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist, the cold-weather driver and the impact bag all amaze me.

I have questions.

1) Is the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist shot a "Sweep?"
2) Is Lynn's FBRW really level in his "Yoda busted that ball." Driving Tape? Does that mean that his feeling of take-away is like lifting the club up-pane with a straight arm? WOW, does that feel strange!
3) In the impact bag tape, does Yoda feel like he rolls his back shoulder through the bag with his right arm extended stiffly or does he roll AND extend the right arm like a two-stage booster?
4) In the Barclay's tape of the fella on the TSP, does he feel like he stays on the TSP back and through, or does he feel the elbow plane in the down-stroke? How does a person swing on TSP? Trying it makes me feel like my arms are out of control and then I can kiss my"mind in my hand s" goodbye!


Anyway, that's all I have for now. :eyes:

ICT

I'm going to cop out on your questions as so many are related to "feel" and need to be discussed hands on. Suffice it to say, your meeting with YODA is going to be a HUGE eye opener!!!

Kevin

Translating Hogan into Norman into TGM.
 

As the temperature dropped, my enthusiasm for punching got smaller. A friend, Anthony, who has looked at Hogan for years, and our website, said hello. He started asking some questions and wondered why my right hand was so stiff and why my right arm looked so short going through the shot. I showed him my wedges and he pointed out that the forward lean of the shaft is not so drastic and eventually gets released (Impact Fix and Forward Swivel).

I was really proud to show him my Frozen Bent Right Wrist. He said suggested I loosen it by about 50%. And I resisted. I said I have to keep my FBRW to both arms straight! At all costs!!!!!

Then Anthony started talking about supination (he is a "Five Lesson" guy), and he made a perfect Finishing Swivel. :eyes: We have talked about Moe Norman a lot. "Vertical drop-horizontal hinge." I loosened my FBRW (but you'll still have to pry my guns out of my cold dead hands!!!!). We talked about a few other things. We always do.

I stopped punching. RFT and slight EA. With a slightly frozen BRW and a strong Pivot, I pulled down to the ball way back in my stance. Anthony showed me this. And my 7 iron went straight and did some mountain climbing past the 150 yard marker I lost sight of it near the hill which is about 160. The 5 and 6 irons went further. :happy3: So then I took my driver. Vertical drop/horizontal pull (shoulder raise does it all) . Anthony said "Look at your hand position. Now Three right hands!" ( # 3 PP drive/push). Sweet. let's see if it's repeatable.!


Ideas?

ICT

Don't ask questions yet. Just go do it.

I am holding the V.J. Trolio book in my hands!!!
 

OOOOOOObabyooooobabyooooo! :dance: :golfing_banana: :notworthy

To become the TGM superstar I desire to be, when I'm older, like Jerry's age, or like Air's, or maybe OB's (Daryl is younger than me I think, curses Red Baron), I taped both books together with duct tape and then taped them to my forehead so that the knowledge would flow into my mind while I slept.

When I turned over last night, and the duct tape came off my forehead, well, it really hurt! :eyes:

So I just started to read the book. Nice pictures! Lots of short sentences! Since I am vapid writer at times, I respect short sentences ( "No, I am Spartacus!"). And, Anna Louisa, our Schnauzer, chewed the mini-DVD wrapper this morning, but I still have the mini-DVD intact. I just have to find a non-Mac machine to play it somewhere. Or maybe in my DVD player? :)


I will not reveal the secret to anyone in any form or forum. But jeez, it really looks familiar!!! How cool is that!!!!


ICT

Hey City,

You know how much I enjoy VJ's book, GREAT stuff! Combine what you learn from VJ with MacDonald drill #2. Do the drill while keeping some pressure on the left foot. You will have YODA's hip action that we are striving for!!!

Kevin