Jerry, how did playing with the team go?
 

We want details. Who did you outdrive? out putt?

That's the thing about our buddy Jerry. He doesn't really care about his own performance. He WANTS his kids to be better than he is. Everything he learns is learned to help his kids...

We had an interesting conversation the other day. We LOVE feeling compression. It's what we live for. Scoring is for our students...

Kevin

It went very well. There were times the kids (6'2", 190, arms like orangutans)outdrove my be 50 yards at least. But the old guy hit lots of greens for a change, lots of fairways and didn't have many putts. I sneaked it past them a couple times and it got a little quiet. Later, the razzing started.
The best part was watching my 10th grader beat up on a couple seniors with his bent right wrist, PP#1 to China and magical right forearm and LAG. This kid is playing G.O.L.F. Nerves got to him on the first day of sectionals and he had a 47-35. He's getting it.
The varsity players are all swingers. My guys (JVers) seem more like hitters, though we only give the JVers "permission" to go at it with the right arm. It is a gas.
I love this TGM stuff.
Kev gave one lesson last summer to my head coach. This guy is a sucker for compression and when he gets a chance it is all he strives for.
I could go on, but I think I better let the dogs in.

Compression is addictive.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...f-Preview.html

Watch the Right Arm and Elbow from 3:19 to 3:60 (pay special attention to 3:50). This is a 3 dimensional Impact. This is the "Hit Down" and through on a Straight Line Hands Path to Both Arms Straight (Fanning automatically Included). Using this Action and Driving the Primary Lever causes Angle Hinging. This same Action with a Loaded Secondary Lever causes Horizontal Hinging.

If there was a single motion that causes compression, this is it (With a Bent Right Wrist). It's completely dependent on Right Elbow Location and can be trained without a Club. Adding Extensor Action after the Straight Line Motion is learned will give Total Control.

I LOVE that section. Thanks for the reminder Daryl! :salut:

Kevin

Thanks Daryl.
It isn't enough that AG is such a treasure, but you and the other contributors here add so much to the intended content with your observations and explanations.
LBG Forums is the best thanks to folks like you.

"sniff....sniff, I love you guys!"
 

I'm just so happy right now. :crybaby: :eyes:

Patrick

City,
I'm thinking when you get to Minnesota we need to start or find a good support group for us TGMers. WE are getting a bit out of control.
My addiction is golf. I spent 1.5 hrs. on just chipping at the practice green this a.m. working on compression and the feels. Took it to the practice tee for about 20 minutes (about 25 balls) and came home to fertilize the yard before today's monsoon starts.
My wife thought I should do the yard first, then try to sneak the practice in before the rain. I certainly wouldn't want to hurry the practice.

OMG, she really said that? :confused1

D,
She did. It appears you are as bad as City and I. Instead of Friends of Bill, we could be considered Friends of City's.

We are all very lucky to have partners who support us.
 

It's nice that we don't have to sneak around on golfing websites feeding our habit, uhmmm hobby, yeah, "that's the ticket!" :laughing9

Moi

Comparing hits and swings!
 

Ok, back to really important stuff! I ordered and watched Lynn's tape of he and Mr. Gay, today!

And, I shot an 84 last week swinging.

But, Yoda gives a very clear explanation of hitting on the tape.

So, why does Yoda and others hit when even a novice like me can shoot close to par swinging?

Doesn't the simplicity of the swing argue for its ability to stand up to pressure?

When I try to hit, if I brace or plant on my front leg, that motion alone rips me through the impact and up. I am tempted to try coming back with my RFT and simply drive my right elbow down and through to try to hit because it calls for only one trigger.

I am happy about the 84, the 17.1 new HCP index, and wondering how good I could be and how to do it!


Pat

Hi Patrick,

The more I hang out here, the more I realize the lines between hitting and swinging are blurry. Heck, in that great video of YODA teaching Brian Gay, he speaks of Brian being a swinger, and not caring much for hitting. Fast forward a couple of years and Brian is a HITTER, and our model. Many others speak of hitting sometimes, and swinging others. The brilliance of TGM and how it is interpreted at LBG, OPTIONS!

Keep working those Imperatives and Essentials while keeping those beautiful Flying Wedges in alignment and the rest is just for fun.

Just my opinion my friend.

Kevin

City,
If you can score 84 with a manufactured hip and PTSD from teaching in urban schools (it isn't the kids, it's the admin.), you'll be breaking 80 regularly soon.
As Kev states, imperatives, essentlials and flying wedges.
It is raining cats and dogs here. I should soon be hailing taxi cabs. I'm on my way to the course.

D, what Basic Stroke would you call that? At first look I thought it was Push Basic but maybe its is just a plane old Bat? You mention fanning .......so it isnt a pure inline Push ...... Is he maybe going back and forth between Push and Punch Elbow positions?

V.J. can sure compress those little chips..........

I think that VJ has the same Right Forearm motion whether he hits or swings. Punch or Pitch. It's just a change in Elbow Location, Release Point.

Maybe VJ could comment if he's around.

I played 36 holes, today.
 

46/44 from the champions tees (hands of stone) , the next 9 went by in 45 and then I turned in a 39 on the last 9! :)

How did everybody else do?


Pat

Yah, thanks, man.

I personally, can get into a lot of yippy stabbing stuff with that Push Elbow Chip Basic............maybe its just me. I dont know.

I used option # 3 from my list to shoot my 45/39 yesterday.
 

I have discovered, thanks to John Savage (GSEB), that my swing is ENTIRELY in my control. :salut:

I can rotate my hips back, slowly, feeling the weight/lag (as confirmed by Yoda's Brian Gay tape)going back. :)

I can then concentrate on driving my primary lever with a frozen bent right wrist using pp#1, or elbow thrust, or pp # 3 (within 125 yards). That combination of moves keeps my body very quiet and seems to minimize the left leg imbalance I feel. As I get used to driving the lever down, all sorts of interesting concepts come to mind. \\:D/

Indeed, the more I drive the primary lever, the clearer balance positions become and accuracy improves. (I had my short irons behind my belt buckle and either hooked them or pushed them off the green). Our rough is brutal and even though the sand is uneven at our public course, we welcome bunker shots. :laughing9

The simplicity of driving the lever with my right arm (hitting) brings to mind the idea of a machine (fairways and greens). :)

????

DRIVING QUESTIONS: I see pros vary the height of their tee balls. (Daryl, we are not speaking about the height of the little umbrellas in your "boat drinks." You know the frothy, fruity, rather feminine drinks that people from Illinois consume to celebrate their adopted Hawaiian POTUS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat_drinks )(If I were him, I read this forum. I'd also ask the readers here, for a clue about many other subjects. Jerry and I would be happy to help him in educational issues. For every 1 percentage point we increase the performance of a schools population, we could get a 1% tax reduction. For every graduating hs person above the previous five year average of the school, we could get a $1000 grant for a needy person to a college of their choice, or a $1000 deduction on their home mortgage. Anyway.....)


1) When teeing the ball higher, as I have read about on our forum, I found the ball to travel further and higher. Is it simply the vertical bounce that increases distance? Yesterday, I tried my first high tee in competition and placed the ball inside and forward. Happily, it was a dogleg left and the high hook looked cool and was helpful (like moi :eyes: ). I then varied the tee ball position to more out rather than in to get a straight ball that I hardly had to touch to get better distance and a straight flight. Do all the rules of hinges apply to that sort of set-up?

Patrick

Thanks City. I appreciate the offer to include me as an adivsor to things pertaining to the institution of education, but space is limited as are my thought processes.
Yesterday's round was good except for getting caught in the "Brillo" rough way too often. It cost me 2!! strokes on the first hole and another three other places throughout the round. A smooth 80 showed a small profit from the fellows which I donated to our burgers and draught root beer following the round.
I am paying more attention to Aiming Point, Hands to Pivot and Bent Right Wrist. Pure gold.

City,

I think the Umbrellas keep the sun off the ice.

Short game strategies out of nasty rough.
 

Very nice, Jerry, and not surprising. I have four strategies for rough around the green within 150 yards, and I find myself inventing others as the summer goes on! :confused1

Two weeks ago, I hit 100 vertical hinges with all my wedges and 9iron. I got to the point of just opening the blade, regripping, and firing the prim. lever down plane. I have had good control with the 58 degree wedge laid flat from the front foot (at least I can get it to the putting surface with a small chance at a par putt). :oops:

Angled hinge at the middle of stance dragging the shoulder down, slowly, depending on the pin and distance. It checks but runs a bit.

For deep rough of any distance beyond five yards, ball is way back, way back, and clubface is a vertical hinge rotated 180 degrees. Shoulder up and shoulder down like Godzilla on Tokyo bounce it on the fringe and it runs. From a good lie, it flies straight and stops, quickly. I have to learn the distances for the various clubs.:-k

I don't fully understand it yet, but I'm so defensive in the rough, and my puting with the elbow strike is so dependable, that I'm looking for any putting chance as an automatic two strokes. Within five yards in gnarly rough, I hit straight down with my putter! The ball pops and sort of keeps its line. LEAVE THE PIN IN!!!!!:laughing9

I have started to investigate the scoring zone threads on the forum and will report. :salut: \\:D/

Lesson # 9 : RFT /Obliques/Ball Flight
 

That's a very sensible response, Daryl. :) Every response I've read of yours, on this forum, is sensible.

I had a very sensible lesson last Saturday from my GSEB, John Savage, of South Hampton, PA.

When John hits the ball, he swings and his ball starts low, sizzles and bristles with sound and power, seems to climb an invisible mountain very gradually, gets to a peak and then seems to drop almost straight down. :salut:

There is usually a group of us standing around hold our breath and say "wow!" I have to go shopping now and will finish this later, or my wife will be cross with me and hurt my feelings. :eyes: :salut: :naughty:

Ok, back, with basil, oregano (it's real, Jerry, not like the stuff you try to plant on golf courses) and African Violets (I never dated her, and I wasn't with Lawrence Taylor that night!).

Seriously, though, the question that I asked John was about my ball flight. Part of it is greed on my part. I am able, now, to live on or near the plane with my golf swing. That has helped my hcp. go from 21 to 17.6 on the index. :) (Yesterday, I used the uncocked left wrist and primary lever drive on every shot except the putt. I felt like I could shoot par or better on every hole. I had 12 birdie putts and missed all of them to shoot an 85.) I think that the "right" ball flight would give me the ability to stop the ball on the center of each green and increase my chances to go very low.

John is a generous teacher. I have had a terrible experience with Golftech, and John is the opposite. He answers every question, demonstrates his teaching, monitors my efforts with iron/wood/driver/wedge. He is superb. It takes me weeks to implement the changes he suggests.

His first point was my takeaway. When I turn my hips to initiate total motion, my RFW is too deep and needs to stay more in front. RFT however, is perfect at the top. John has explained the starting move before, as a slight horizontal move, a "downrange" move followed by the hips turning straight back.

To feel and do the move correctly, John had me practice the turning of my front obliques. It feels as if I am sliding a bit and then turning straight back. :dance: The shape of the ball flight looks different and the carry increases. The ball keeps rising, even with the driver, and lands softly. :) :notworthy

Is that same flight possible with a hitting motion?







Patrick

Progress! More To Come!
 

Current GHIN Index

15.5

23 Rounds Posted
as of 6/23/2010

I rec'd this from GAP (Greater Area Philadelphia) .:)
My feeling is that this is due to plane awareness and elbow driven putting and the support of good golfers with a great teaching curriculum, and genuine enthusiasm for teaching, as well as a fine GSEB, taught by Ben Doyle, John Savage, 72 years young!




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March was very cold and wet with lots of 98's, a 105, and aerated greens. I did not feel like posting as it was too depressing and I didn't understand much of TGM. I started taking lessons on Easter Sunday, with John Savage.

FANTASTIC work Patrick!!!

Congratulations Cityteacher. That's a big drop in such a short time and equally impressive is your positive outlook.

Wait and see what happens when you learn which end of the club to use. :)

My Best Round Since An Accidental 79 In 1991!
 

In 1991, I played in the annual Kiwanis vs. Civitan Charity Golf tournament is a small southern town. The previous year, I started golfing and had shot a 130 for my round. I was in the "H" flight fo "horrible and horrendous." So in 1991 , I was teeing off at 6am and really muffed my drive. My opponent said something like "Great! I have to play with this cripple all day?"

I knew very little about golf back then. But I had seen some good players swing and knew their tempo. I was so mad at the guy that I decided to imitate the good tempo I had watched. I shot a 79 and beat the "A" flight winner who had shot an 80. I had no idea what I did, but I kept repeating "1and 2," on every shot and got the ball near the hole!

Today, I shot an 82 on purpose!

I had started marrying Extensor Action and RFT this week. On my first 9 I had used a plant and shoulder drag move to reach 10 over.:( I couldn't stop hooking the drives but my EA was great. I was totally defensive which is not how I roll. :naughty:

Second nine: I maintained extensor action and swung with a sternum turn back and through. Still hooked/drew everything and could not putt. I concluded my shorter front leg made my bracing action produce too steep of an impact angle. :naughty: ](*,) #-o

Third nine: I'm a "creature of the plane!":idea1: If my extensor action gives me a solid plane, and I know that my driving ranges are tilting me slightly back, than logic will work.:read: Instead of rolling the back shoulder down, or turning the sturnum back and through, why don't we shallow the angle of approach?:idea1: [-o< :rambo: [-o<

EA-RFT-LEFT SHOULDER UP!!!!!!!:laughing9 :grin: THE MOTION OF LEFT SHOULDER UP LAYS THE CLUB BACK ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE ANGLE HINGE TO PRODUCE A SOFT FADE. GOODBYE DEFENSE HELLO PIN-HUNTING!!!:super: :super: :super: :-\" :-\" :-\" :grin: \\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/ :golfcart2: :golfcart2: :golfcart2:

I also finally realized why my angle hinge chips were such failures. Horiz hinge chips work, vertical hinges work better. so I started opening my stance, opening the angle hinge, and sliding the chip forward. Crisp and online as a result. :)

(I also realized that with Extensor Action and RFT, my left arm must be parallel to the baseline of the plane when the right shoulder is on plane.)

Third Nine: Shot six over. :) Realized that the answer was in my hands!!! Extensor action keeps the bent right hand bent! Yes, the hinge is in my front shoulder but it is also a function of EA. !

Fourth Nine: Maintaining Extensor Action while driving the Primary Lever with pp# 1 allows for maximum powerw/maximium Power Package stability given my forward tilt. On our Blue nine we have a 203 yard par 3 and a 220 yard par 3 from the championship tees. I have never hit the greens of both in one day until Saturday. For good measure, I also had GIR's or rolled off the back of greens in regulation on holes 2-4,6-8. I was even able to miss on purpose given tough pin placements. I finished with 4 putts for birdies and two makeable birdie chips. I missed all of them and finished five over for a 41. The computer GHIN score system in our clubhouse told me something new: "This score is unusually low for you. Are you sure you want to post this score?" :)

I ususally have a high front nine and low back nine. My second 18 featured a low front 9 for 41 and a lower back 9 for 40! "Plane Golf" is plainly amazing!

Thanks LBG, GSEB John Savage, and Homer Kelly!

Patrick

City,
Great work! Keep it up and you'll be giving me two a side. Can't wait for your visit.

WOW City. Lookie what can happen when you use a wonderful system rather than a method, band-aids, a wing and a prayer!

Great job my friend!!!

Kevin

City,
How did you like the tournament and what did you learn today?

Dinner and Finishing Swivels!
 

My GSEB John Savage and his lovely wife Jean had us to dinner last night and they made a wonderful salmon and salad with asparagus. My lovely wife made a home-made amazing chocolate mousse.

Today is our one year wedding anniversary. Not only can my wife cook but she can think. She takes golf lessons with me and keeps a wonderful home, while being a national award winning elem. teacher. :)

I have learned a lot about life from her and a lot of golf in this last year. My GAP hcp. is now an even 15 down from 15.3 last revision. Last night, after our dinner, I had to ask my GSEB about driving the primary lever, and he showed me why he swings and how he swings and shoots below par at the age of 72. :eyes:

I had been stuck on Lynn's "Finishing Swivel" tape now for about 2 days. I knew I didn't get it after watching it about 10 times. John is a swinger and while showing him my newfound Extensor Action, he pushed my left artificial hip back and my Finish (not Russian) Swivel (:laughing9 I crack myself up)appeared!!!!:golfcart:

OOOOOOOBABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOBABYOOO! :golf: :golf: :golf: Calling Dr. Welby. Calling Dr. Welby. :happy3:

I had been driving my Prim. Lever but holding the swivel until the end of both arms straight. In other words, I was preparing to roll too late!!!!:naughty: I was manufacturing an artificial timing that my body did not understand. :naughty:

That's why I could shoot an 81 twice and follow it up with a 93 or 94. As Lynn told VJ "The golf ball is a blabbermouth and it does not lie!" :laughing1 On days when I forgot to hold the Finishing Swivel off, I simply worried about my chipping and putting with Basic Motion or Acquired Motion. On days when I held FS off, I worried about everything!:naughty:

Hello Mr. Par!!!!!!:happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3: :happy3:

My Mrs. is getting several gifts including her first set of clubs, pink I think! Her swing looks better than mine! :)

Patrick

Lost and found pp # 4 after an opening par!
 

What do you do when you get out of the car, load your bag on the cart and realize you have about five minutes to tee off on a 203 yard uphill par 3, trees left and sand and trees right?

I practiced swinginging slowly and keeping a stationary head and taut EA. No worries! :) 16 degree rescue hybrid (Thanks, Jerry) to front fringe, chip on a rope to 1 foot, par put, easy peasy.

And then I got the rabid hooks! :crybaby: FORE LEFT!

I'll spar you the details of the next 8 holes and 46 shots behind every tree and sand trap on the left hand side of the course. :crybaby:

I adjusted everything, including my bra and found no help!! But two little bread crumbs kept appearing on the path.:idea1:

My chips, loaded with EA, were turning my almost certain TRIPLES into pretty remarkable DOUBLES.:confused: I hit a few poles from 20-30 yards away (10 yard deflections, of course). I dialed the chips back to Basic Motions.:think: "Every stroke, even a putt, has a start, top and finish," according to Yoda. :question:
So what was causing the hooks and pull hooks?

I was using an angle hinge. I tried my usual sweeping downstroke (driving the Primary Lever). I tried dropping the right elbow in from top and that gave some relief from the hook. I kept practicing the Basic Motion on the tee. I gave in to the temptation to use Acquired Motion off the tee with the 3 wood and hybrid.:dontknow: And, chances at par started to appear.

More Basic and I started to realize that pp# 4 was a great comfort and very, very dependable! :idea1: I WAS COMING OVER THE TOP!!!! &B: :thumbdown &D: &D: :evil5: :evil5:


SOLUTION!!! Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy!Slow and heavy! Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!Drag the mop!
Drag the heavy, wet mop!Drag the heavy, wet mop!Drag the heavy, wet mop!Drag the heavy, wet mop!

PP # 4 + Heavy, wet mop = 0 hooks, and 0 draws!


Hole 10, 3 over (no insights, lots of trees!) Hole 11, 3 over (hook disappears on pitch and I balloon a wedge 30 yards short, putt with EA into next county.) Holes 12 and 13 (# 1 hcp and # 6 hcp) "Hello Mr. Par! :thumright Holes 14-15, 2 over (I had to give up the hard EA on putts and dialed that back as I could not feel the line of the putt. So, I discovered a gentle EA putt and started burning edges. Using EA on putts makes the sweetspot terrifyingly powerful! A silly little 3 inch swing will send the ball 10 feet through breaks, in and out of cups and almost into the guy tending the pin 20 yards away! :laughing1 ). Hole 16 and 17, 4 over. (Pushing the ball right into trees and traps, ugh.) Hole # 18, 2 over ( I got greedy and dumb, and I shot right at the biggest sucker pin in the world! The 8 iron hit the par 5 elevated green and bounced straight left down the hill. Shortsided in 4 inch deep rough! :eyes: ) I shot a 46 that should've been lower.

We had a little 9 hole skins game which followed. Two club champs (champ and "B" flight, 3 hcp. and 14 hcp.) and an 18 hcp who shot an 80 in the morning round. On our third "9", I was 7 over, and won/tied 4 holes. :)

On plane with pp # 4 is the plan!!!! :golf: :golf: :golf:


Patrick

Holy buckets City, that is quite an adventure. Ain't golf fun?
I am looking forward to your visit to the wonderful humidity we have going on here.

Putting it together # 1
 

I have a problem that I have to conguer if I'm to move on in G.O.L.F.

I have covered a lot of material since March of this year in hopes of discovering a "perfect fit" that would maximize my physical gifts and ignore my physical limitations. My emotional problems, well, God alone can sort those out. :)

I have discovered several combinations of components that work to some extent.

Swinging works for me as indicated by scoring multiple 41's when I committed to those components while competing.
1) TSP
2) Horizontal Hinge for driver and long clubs, angle hinge for everything else
3) Impact fix
4) Roll back hip back steadily w/EA
5) send # 4 pp back up steadily w/EA
6) stable head

I drive the ball so well, even using a 3/4 swing speed that I stay in every hole. 75% of swing force applied correctly helped me shoot 6 over on our back 9, today. Feeling the heaviness of the putter really worked, too.

The front nine was a disaster at a 49. When I got my hip back I tried to drive my shoulder down but came OTT. It wasn't until posting on the front leg that my Ott disappeared.


Patrick

City, I think it is very unique that you are acquiring such an understanding of TGM in such a short time. I don't think I am on par with your gains.
I do have to share a big breakthrough today, however. One of the kids on our high school team (11th gr. next year) that I badgered all season long about how high he hit the ball and how he needed to stay under the stratosphere in order to compete with the better players. I just could not get him to buy into forward shaft lean and hands ahead, etc. He thought I was nuts, I think. Today, at our summer golf school he was swinging a 3 wood on the range and It appeared he never had the ball in the same place in his stance two times in a row. It went everywhere on the range including dead right into a 4-some on the 7th hole.
This led to a discussion about swing bottom, ball placement, educated hands, forward leaning shaft, etc.
We started with the SW. Crisp shot after crisp shot ensued. 9 iron the same. 6 iron, easy swing like the SW and it just rocketed toward the target straight over the 150 yd. sign to not far short of the 200. Hybrid was the same. 3 woods were majestic. Drivers had a boring trajectory and had just a hint of a draw. I had tingles. He had the biggest grin.
I hope he can hold on to it until the next time I see him. Heck, I got so excited I tried to call Kevin and let him know what was going on. He knows the kid.

Although not everything in the golf stroke is a chain reaction, the Pivot certainly, is a chain reaction. Once the Action starts, it's going to react as it's "aligned" to react and no amount of effort is going to change the outcome very much. But a lot of energy can be wasted trying overcome mis-alignments which makes the "swing" a labor intensive and frustrating and a tiring thing and the more you thrust the worse it gets.

We rely totally on this chain reaction to produce the same results every time. When we hit fades and draws or straight shots we trust that the Pivots chain reaction will be so dependable that minor adjustment can produce different lines of compression on the ball.

I can understand why so much instruction and methodology is focused on the Pivot. I'll bet you, that you can go to the practice range, and without pivoting, hit balls with only your arms and hands to a green 25 yards away without any problems. If you can do that, then Zone 2 and 3 are fine (for now). Then, your problems are Zone 1 and you should concentrate all of your efforts on building a solid and perfect Zone 1.


The word "Pivot" is used 126 times in about 230 pages of the 6th Edition.

Ummm, Mr. Spock would've liked that logic!!!
 

Daryl, Kevin, Jerry, OB, when you guys have a bad day does that mean you only have 3 brilliant insights? :)

Daryl, that is right. I regularly practice with various clubs using EA and RFT punching balls to the base of markers between 100 and 150 yards away and I hit my spot about 50% and my misses are all in 2 putt range. It is lots of fun, too, esp. with longer clubs.

Your focus on pivot therefore, makes perfect sense. I realized last night, too, that my sweep motion only worked because it was all arms from the top and my shoulder was very still. I mean still!!!! I can hit a 16 degree three wood to a 203 yard pin straight from RFT by driving the primary lever and pp#1 to the baseline straight down. That is a damn useful shot on my course, too. (5 closest to the pins this season).

However, the minute I try to drive the right shoulder down, I can hook a lob wedge 40 yards! It is pissing me off. Yesterday, I simply rocked the TSP back and through and drove/rolled the ball 250+ on two occasions using an Angle Hinge. So what's the problem? No damn precision! Why can't I turn my 200 yard and in sweet little reverse RFT into a 300 yard f'n drive. It doesn't make sense.

I watched Brian Gay for a couple of hours, recently, at Aronomink. I could pick him up with not a lot of effort (I'm not talking about the kind of pick-ups they do in N.H). I lift 8th graders into corners after fights, daily. He can drive the ball 290 on purpose and he hardly moves! :crybaby: I don't mean any offense here, but 99% of tour pros are not lasting one week in my job and they are 30 years younger than I am. So WTF!???

I know they heave great balance and timing. Ok. Do you know how much balance and timing it takes to dodge an upset 260 lb. 8th grader and restrain him or her? My kids would make Phil Mickleson cry before lunch! They'd use Dustin Johnson for kindling and Tiger would become somebody's girlfriend, and he would not like it.

Sorry for the vent.

Ok, I'll work on the pivot, Daryl, ALOT! Maybe a new driver? A haircut? 50 more pushups a day? Flossing between meals, perhaps? I mean if Yoda can drive a ball 250 + on a line, it has to be technique (no offense, Lynn). That underpitch looks interesting...but it is a reaction to the pivot. I get it. Thanks!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Patrick

Wow, that's a great Rant. You're right. If you wrestled half of those guys, they'd cry in two minutes. :laughing9

If you can hit a ball 150 yards with only your arms and Hands then when you put a Pivot on it you should hit the ball out of sight. Especially with that Bionic hip of yours. You'll be teaching during the week and competing in golf tournaments on the weekends.

Go for it. :)

Hey,,, go back and find that post where Ted Fort was showing us his student who is hitting the ball 300 yards. He taught him when he had a 105 mph driver speed and I think he now has a 120 mph swing. Ask Ted how much of that was Pivot technique.

You realize, don't you, that despite our native Midwest brilliance..
 

The Bears, Cubs, Bulls and Blackhawks will never win anything, again. On the other hand, most people on this website are likely to win a $2 Nassau, or a major tournament sometime in their golfing future thanks to the excellent instruction here.

EA loaded RFT to the top with TSP (they happen together) and rolling my ankles and the left hand is on plane. Or the Marching drill, or rolling the back hip back...

Reverse by driving the primary lever (steady head no shoulder) or roll the ankles, or roll the knees, or load pp# 4, or drive the right elbow to the hip, or plant the left leg and then roll the underhand pitch!

By keeping a steady head and not moving my nose, the ball goes where it is told to go.

I can hardly wait until I see the TEd Fort stuff. BTW, I ordered the address videos ....amazing! I am now putting a red dot on my right thumb, my forehead, the downstairs toilet paper dispenser and my Schnauzer, Anna Louisa. My wife will not let me put a red dot on her but the 87 year old widow next door didn't seem to mind! :laughing9

Patrick

City,
Interesting. I also have a dot on my golf glove but it is on the "snoose box" (Minnesota clinical term) to remind me to Cock instead of roll back which just kills me.
Can't wait to pick your brain with Kevin on the range. I'll try to find my way around the red dots.
Many thanks to Daryl and Kev for TSP help.