This story gets uglier by the day. Where does it end? Man, if it comes out that he was using steroids Im going to puke.

I predict that most of the air will be out of the bag by Christmas. Just some clean up work by his first appearance.

At least no guys have come forward. :whistle:

I thought Bucket had come out?

More seriously, do we think the PGA and Finchem will stay consistent with their policy of banning players that bring the game into disrepute?

Daly got kicked out for being drunk at Hooters - if that were policy in every golf club in the world the courses of the world would be a lot quieter every weekend!

Tiger has also taken drugs - amblin the sleeping drug that lowers inhibitions. How does the PGA view this?

At the minute which is worse - Tiger's silence on the affair or the PGA's?

It's a private matter.

various agencies are reporting that a blonde woman was taken to hospital last night from Woods' florida residence.

Speculation is that it was Elin's mother.

Want to stop the problem take it away from him. Ban Tiger from playing for his actions i guarantee he wont screw the neighborhood anymore. They did it with drunk driving its a major penalty now.His actions are complete ignorance to the people who love him. Another fallen hero want a shame. My father told me to stay out of Taverns and bars and you'll avoid problems to choose your friends wisely to have faith and believe that you can accomplish anything. I'm a little tired of he's only human and he made a mistake thats no longer a option with billionaires or even everday fols like me unacceptable! Yes we make mistakes and GOD forgives us 8 to 9 times hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Do i think Tiger is a great golfer YES do i want my son to be like no.

Maybe, but there is a "get Tiger" industry building out there. One that may have been collecting information for several years if you believe the reports. His escapade in the escalade with the Perkins girl was spied upon supposedly. This may go on until they run out of material........ Tiger seemed to be quite "active" so there could be a lot of stuff on him. If the story doesnt morph into another direction maybe people just get bored with it and it dies down. I hope so.

We'll never view him in the same light again but I still want him back playing golf next year and chasing records.......... If someone has some steroid usage stuff on him then the whole outhouse goes up in flames golf wise, making his game, like his marriage a total sham. He could cheat and lie about one could he have done it about the other? I hope not. I still want to admire his golf game.

Tiger is too small to be on the juice so no worries there. However, there are a lot of other (illegal) performance enhancement drugs that don't stimulate muscle growth but provide other competitive advantages.

I can't keep this one to myself.

It turns out that the only person who can beat Tiger is a busty blonde, so Phil is dying his hair.

If Tiger was taking performance drugs ie steroids, he would not be dogging the chicks. One of the side effects is lesser libido. He probably could use that. In this economy, if you are one of his sponsors, do you take the moral clause and back out? If I was American Express I would be tempted.

Everything in the news has been Rumor. Nothing has been admitted. It's a private matter that's gone public.

Ha ha. Good one.

So - when will the reports from Tiger's back nine start coming in?

oh please, the 'its a private matter' trotted out again.

Tiger has sold his image countless times to increase the $$$ in his bank account. He even let footage of his father be used in a commercial for Fathers Day even though his father had passed away only months previously.

Its the same as other celebrities crying about privacy when it was the media that made them famous in the first place.

He cannot pick and choose when he wants to be public or private about something, that is the nature of the 'tiger' he has by the tail.

For years Tiger has had the golfing press eating out of his hand, if he doesn't like a question he simply says 'its a private matter, I won't discuss it'. Well, he has now discovered that all these guys who are s##t scared of him at PGA press conferences have colleagues that aren't scared of anyone or anything.

Gatorade just dumped him.

Maybe they'll develop a new drink in line with Tigers new Image. "Night-ade". Available only in 8-packs.

01.) Rachel Uchitel – Manhattan nightclub hostess
02.) Jaimee Grubbs – Former VH1 Tool Academy contestant
03.) Kalika Moquin – Las Vegas nightclub executive
04.) Jamie Jungers – Las Vegas cocktail waitress/”Trashy Lingerie” model
05.) Mindy Lawton – cocktail waitress from Orlando
06.) Cori Rist – NYC-based model
07.) Holly Sampson – LA-based adult film star
08.) Joslyn James – Vegas porn star/escort

Pres Kennedy, if he were still alive, would have hated the gutter press.

In parts of Asia, if the girls are "paid for", its OK. His image out there would appear to be in tact - almost elevated.

As for Western culture, Just Do It, Just Did Him (or her as the case may be).

I'm reading that it is 11 girls now and Elin has movied out but in a home close. Tiger is a PLAYER!

The Home Wreckers

http://www.theweek.com/article/index...complete_guide


Elin is OUT!

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/12/07/2009-12-07_tiger_woods_wife_elin_nordegren_moves_out_after _reports_of_mistresses_according_.html

Did they actually dump him or just discontinue the Tiger-branded line of gatorade? I read that was planned before this mess started.

This is an interesting point. But he did seem to portray himself or brand himself within our, a Western set of values, as an idol.

Best one I've heard to date . . . nice!

Good gravy . . . now they're saying some hooker took pics of his equipment with her cell phone and is selling them to playgirl . . .

and now they say the fool OD'd . . . Wow . . . http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/08/tiger-...ital-overdose/

You would think he would be tired from all that sex and not need sleeping pills!

The Vicodin Elin probably made him get on I, hear it is like salt peter (Look it up Military guys will know)..LoL

Language in this ain't too good . .. but this sounds like how it would go . . . if I had to bet . .. this is what I would bet on as being as close to truth as we're gonna get on this deal . . .

http://deadspin.com/5416948/chaos-in...f-pro-athletes

Yep, I read this article yesterday as well. I am at a point where I feel sorry for him---he is really a sick man.

Not sick, an arrogant jerk. We have fallen for all the crap we have been fed over the years from the Tiger PR machine. He is another athlete that has shown his true character. Golfers have always been treated differently by the media. Now golf is the same as the other pro sports, the pro game's identity has been shown to be a fraud. This is not an illness, not alcoholism or addiction. This is a guy saying he can do whatever he wants because he is the most important thing in his world.

Assuming this is true . . . and where there's smoke . . .and there's smoke of mushroom cloud proportions . . . I agree . . . you got Tiger Woods and you got Eldrick Woods. Tiger = Hoax. I took the bait hook line and sinker. It takes a pretty rotten self absorbed cat to do that to his kids . . . and in the mean time pimp this Tiger Idol thing on the world. They worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made . . . hype implodes.

Ya, I feel the same way, like I just realized how I'd been lied to or something and as always its accompanied by the thought that I was being naive in the first place. This aint anything new is it? Wasnt Babe Ruth sort of like Tiger and Daly combined while selling candy bars to kids? This whole thing might say as much about us, our Western society, as it does about Tiger. What are our expectations of these guys? Why do we value these guys so highly? So Tiger is a jerk, didnt we sense that already? Didnt his parents seem kind of odd? Didnt he kind of look like a kid who picked his nose and ate it? Dont get me wrong I love the guys game, his swing. If he changed putters I'd be the first to try to figure why, how etc. Until now Ive been supporting Tiger better than a bra does some of his girlfriends.

This past summer I went to a golf tournament for the first time in about twenty years. Jacks tourney in Columbus. I loved it and want to go back but I was really taken back by how things had changed. The fans were like a drunken mob that the players dare not look at. The players aloof or maybe trying to zone the fans out. I wasnt sure whose behaviour was worse but I didnt like it. Maybe Im just getting old. Kenny Perry and Ernie seemed like great guys despite the bs. They're fighting a good fight there.

Tiger has transcended golf, as his dad predicted, he is now a celebrity. Brad and Angelina, Tiger and whoever. Maybe the USGA and Bobby Jones were right, professional golf is a vulgar proposition. Of course some say Bobby retired after the Grand Slam and some say he retired to profit from the Grand Slam. Only his hair dresser and Spalding Sporting Goods know for sure.

Me I love the Brendan Shanahan response when discovering your hero is not worthy of your adulation.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...n-vaive-attack

Loose lips sink ships
 

As far as Tiger is concerned I crossed him off my hero-worthy list back in 1998...Tour Championship I believe. When he could not restrain himself from a salvo of expletitives with Tiny Tim & co. within earshot I knew that he was not aware that he owed Tiny Tim tamer adjectives. When a father growled something to that effect he got a glare from Fluff and was tarred and feathered by the surrounding mob.Few can live under the strain of my standards for moral impropriety!

I agree with the above to a certain extent . . . however . . . Eldrick & Co. Inc. sold that he was BIGGER than any athlete because he transcended race and via sport would eventual trascend politics etc. I never believed that garbage. I thought he was human . . . but THIS AIN'T HUMAN. I mean going to a strip joint . . . human . . . getting drunk . . . human . . . helping a confused goat over a fence . . . human . . . maybe even cheating one time on your ole lady . . . human . . . looking at pawno . . . human . . . this junk IF TRUE . . . is BEYOND . . . he transcended alright. Can you imagine some of the suit types that were probably at these parties rolling out after a big "how can we market Tiger's image" . . . "Dude, can you BELIEVE what a sales job we've pulled on the ENTIRE WORLD?? . . . and now we're hanging with MODELS that want to do us!!!"

Tiger has probably screwed the pooch for a bunch of athlete poltician types . . . I bet that's why these skanks are hiring lawyers . . . this probably runs deeeeeeeeeeeeeep into the set he rolled with. Could be more celeb types pulled into this crap storm.

I am going to take the other side for my own reasons. Tiger did what he did and truthfully that part is between him and his family. As far as golf goes I am not going to miss out on what the best golfer on the planet is going to do in the future on the course just because, he shagged some skanky home wreckers that knew he was married with children. I see it being dual fault of Tiger and the other women and Tiger is a guy so, guys don't think like girls do and have a need to do stupid things.

As far as the meds go he had a prescription for both having trouble sleeping because his knee has been giving him some stiffness troubles and the Vicodin is probably to help relax it. No really any wrong there and if he drinks so what lots of people drink.

Everyone said Tiger would do something special and change the World in ways no other has. Maybe the change is how many skanky dirty legs he has shagged and letting people know its okay to go Ugly! or Maybe, it is to show that not even the greatest athletes are perfect and untouchable! I think Tiger will first get his family orders in check then, gain back the fan base by playing events he has not played before or only once since he turned professional. If you look at Tigers face book page and his website the membership has increased 10 folds since the "Transgression's". Unlikely Tiger will be big with the righteous breed of perfect people but, hey! News Flash, Not Tiger, Gandhi, JFK, Alexander The Great, Billy Graham or any other person that has walked this EARTH is perfect with out Sin!

Burley,

I have a spare flame suit for ya!

Just kidding - Differing viewpoints are cool here. The only time I get riled up is when someone is starts throwing stink bombs at Lynn's teaching or making personal attacks against members.
Now, where did I leave my torch?

Apples and Oranges
 

Geez, Burley. There is sin, my friend. and then there is iniquity. This may be Bucket's angle. Iniquity is using the "all have sinned" mantra as a get out of jail free card. I'm not sure Rev. Graham and the Mahatma would appreciate the association. He acted without conscience and impunity. It is fair to say he chased "sin" and now it is chasing him! I would add here that he is not in a fair fight. It is clear that he is man of low morals. The problems is that a man with high stature, but low morals can only ever be a menace to society. Having said all of that a man cognizant of his own moral shortcomings (clue: he does not hide behind "nobody is perfect") is a perfect candidate for redemption. Who would want to be Tiger Woods at this point in time?

Couldn't have said it no better.

I do not see this as a moral issue. Burley makes good points about two are needed to participate in extratiger affairs. However the issue is the pedestal he put himself on with advertisers, media... He has marketed himself in a manner that demands care in his personal life. Sponsors pay for that. Daly has never tried to be anyone else. Tiger has, and has put himself in a position unlike any other athlete. He wants to be held to a different standard than any golfer who ever played. He asked for it. Hogan played six tournaments a year, went home in between and ran a business. Was it anyone's business how he and Valerie lived? NO. Tiger is on tv every day, on the cover of magazines with the President of the United States. He certainly has enjoyed his pedestal, he deserves what he gets out of this. By the way, are their any pictures of Hogan out there with Vegas floozies? If so I take this rant back.

Thats good...LoL I will say that Tiger deserves what ever comes his way as it pertains to his family life but, he is still the man to beat in golf. I think no matter what happens even if Elin takes half the money he has made since they married Tiger will be fine in the department of wealth and his "affairs" (no pun intende)..Lol

I mention this in a post "TMZ" stands for something like the (Thirty Mile Zone) back in the old days no media crossed this line for fear of being cut off by Hollywood and there were loads of things we will never know about past celebs until the media became more aggressive.

Not saying Hogan would ever do something like this but, who would have thought it would be as bad as it was with Tiger! Hogan liked clowns by the way, thats sick and wrong!

For the record my comments were coming from a "I can't believe how naive I am sometimes" perspective. I honour Bobby Jones achievements and early retirement for instance. I also see this whole Tiger thing as being a benchmark in the evolution of the sports journalism, maybe journalism in general. Let me explain.

Fifty years ago, heck two years ago for that matter, the press wouldnt have run with a story like this. There probably isnt a sports journalist alive or dead that didnt have a ton, an evenings full, of stories about the transgressions of sports heros. The rule of thumb being if it wasnt illegal or perhaps I should say, if the cops werent actually called you didnt go with the story. In return the scribes were allowed into the players inner sanctums, be they bars or locker rooms. Like a traveling circus they co existed under these rules. Now the advent of the TMZ's and similar websites changes everything. The Boston Heralds or New York Times are running with stories referenced from TMZ or the blog that Bucket linked us to. Everything is backwards. The beat sports reporters are on the horns of a dilemma right now I bet. Their papers would go with a story but they arent that type of journalist. TMZ doesnt cover the sport they just pay off limo drivers for shag stories. I havent been watching TGC so I dont know what they're doing but if they're covering it , I bet they are not leading the pack but rather following other sources leads and without Rick Lerner or anyone else who hangs with tour doing the coverage. I may be wrong but ........... the apple cart is upside down.

Tigers behaviour sadly, disgustingly, is nothing new for a superstar. We just didnt hear about the other stuff. He is on the back nine of his list of girlfriends maybe but way, way behind some others who preceded him on tour. Guys we still admire, I'd venture. Does this excuse Tiger? No but he lives in different times.

Its interesting to me why we care, why I feel so offended by his actions. Is it really just the hypocrisy of his media image? I honestly dont know if thats what bugging me. I'm trying to figure it out. I'm interested in what you guys think. I'm also trying to remember. He told me the Nike balls were great, that Gillette was a good shave, maybe I missed something. Jimmy Swaggert or those of that ilk, I remember their hypocrisy quite well. No problem there. Tiger's hypocrisy Im not so sure about. Did he speak directly to us about his moral fiber. Fiber cereal maybe. Maybe Im forgetting something. It was his Dad and Mom that came out with the BS about transcendence wasnt it? That was crazy talk. I can only imagine what that would do to a kids head.

Being the best at a sport does not mean anything other than you are the best at that sport. There shouldnt be any automatic "good guy", stature. Tiger is the first to be outed for sins that werent before the courts. Why do we feel so offended? The guys a jerk so what?

Do we morn the loss of our old naive fantasy image of Tiger Woods? Is that what it is?

Tiger ( the perverted sexual deviant, AKA Tiger Woods ), and his Handlers and Sponsors, created a false persona to swindle money from the consumer and sports fan.

We care because he created himself in our image. But, he’s not like us. &D: The accident pulled the curtain aside and exposed the Wizard.

He won't be back until his Handlers can redefine him into another "Bad Boy". A "Bad Boy" Golfer; what a joke. It's too late to save his marriage.

But I’m not going to judge.

Does that mean he is joining the WWF (not World Wildlife Fund - or maybe it does)&S:

Whats the difference between Tiger and Bucket?

Tiger tried to transcend golf with a mistress. Bucket tried to transgender a goat mistress.