Yes, but if he Lowered the Power Package to the Inclined Plane, by moving his Right Elbow toward his Right Hip, then that same-identical Alignment would make the Clubface point toward the Target. It's a 90 degree Rotation down to the Inclined Plane when the Clubhead reaches the ground. The Bottom of the Clubhead, which was perpendicular to the ground has now rotated and is parallel to the ground.

I'll include the alignments in my "Right Forearm Participation" video. I'm writing it into my list of topics.

12pc,

I need to se Hogan do that in motion. There's something about the rhythm in Sergeo's stroke that I didn't notice before... But I guess you almost have to have done something similar yourself to really feel whether what you see is good or not. In any case, I can't recall having seen something similar in Hogan.

If you take a look at Dustin Johnson through impact - I'd say that looks like a close to perfect application of lag pressure. His shoulder turn seem to work in rhythm with the hands and the release of the club. What I saw in Sergeo made me unsecure whether the same was the case there...

That's some baseball right there . . . . look at how he is releasing the right forearm under . . . plus he tilts back with his shoulders and doesn't have a bunch of shaft lean . . . that's how them cats launch it to the mooooooon . . . . where's that cat that was saying that the spine extension stuff didn't make a difference . . . .

There's so much crap going on in this thread . . . what piece do you need to see Hogan do? That baseball deal where the bat drops?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onV3d2kbLSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQoYFcTi2E
You can really see it here as his pivot had slowed considerably in his old age . . . he gots the move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MKYiMtSTmI

This was what I wanted to see, bucket. I've never seen Hogan "wait" for the clubhead to close - or shorten the length of his left arm to get a proper club face at impact. But that's what I saw in some of those Sergeo videos.


Daryl wrote:
Daryl,

I am quite impressed that you could deduce a flip from the Start Down in Sergeo's stroke. Yes. Really. :salut: :salut: :salut:

I've seen nothing but sustained lag pressure in El Ninjo's stroke before but at a closer look I saw the flip as you called it. I'll have to chew on your post for a while. But do you really mean out of line? Or do you mean out of something that has to do with rhythm and geometry?

As far as I know, out of line in TGM simply means lagging.

NO NO sorry I misunderstood you . . . . I was saying the right WRIST (and right elbow) not the left arm. Sergio I think shrinks up the left arm because he doesn't extend his hips and spine like Hogan . .



sergio doesn't make this move . . . swinging from the feet maximum radius . . . he has to shrink up his left arm . . . low point control compensation . . . I think . . . sounds good anyhow . .



Here's you a slightly flip under look . . . . there are more . . .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSUbHpYiVGU

Watch Justin Johnson's rhythm in the moment of truth. There's no wating. No slowing down. He is just draggin' and drivin' all the way through impact and then some. There's no sign of letting go of pp#2 pressure to release the club. Same thing with PP#1.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGeY...yer_detailpage


Poetry in motion.

And brute force.

Sometimes the two go hand in hand.

The pitching of the elbow and the scapula dig is good, but IMO, everything upstroke should be timed to achive a totally uncompensated impact.

Justin has his idiocyncracies. But through impac he is as close to ideal impact alignments as per TGM as I've ever seen.

A well timed flip release is ingrained in many of these players. Granted they have a flat left wrist at impact, but it's only because they have timed the pivot for their hands for release i.e., it's a pivot controlled hands procedure.

Homer understood it, and didn't spend a lot of time with it, because he was focused on hand awareness. Never-the-less, it is what most folks use, and its pretty effective. No big mystery, the pivot is guiding the hands to their release point.

No active elbow awareness; no active hand alignment to plane awareness; it's all about the feel of hands guided by the pivot.

The infamous 10-24F Flip Release.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4237.html

Admit it, when we aren't thinking or aiming, its what happens. Some are better at it than others. They just dug it out of the dirt and put it on auto pilot. The more we have hand awareness, the better our pivots respond, but some like Sergio have the flip too well timed to mess with it. Wait till he turns 40 and starts wondering why he can't shape shots anymore. Body control gets a lot tougher as we age.

Yeah - this thread is all over the place.

The Golf Machine lives here
 

Preparing to roll on that line and the Finish Swivel is where the Golf machine lives! I think it is ok to to see the thread bounce around Bagger. I read it as a technique to try (Displacement) and it showed me some real power and then forced me to contemplate and study the true nature of the FLW and the rest of my set-up in addition. It must be difficult as an administrator since a 3 dimensional fact can be viewed by thousands of perspectives without being wrong, only incomplete.

Consider how often well meaning people claim that Mr. Hogan is their poster child for their technique. Some of them are disingenuous but most of them are just unaware of TGM.

ICT.

Wow these are pretty bold statements. You have somehow developed some sort of pokemon powers to read minds AND see the future..... The force is strong in this one boys!

What is wrong with this motion from a yellow pokemon standpoint? Pivot is the most centered. Double anchor...copious lag...minimal axis tilt...three functions controlled as well as anyone on tour....face not flashing....and he did this via some by chance evolution.....no creationist junk? When his pops guided him?

Just because he has deviated from the prescribed plane angle .... We have short circuited due to a perceived round peg square hole scenario? We have a chapter 10.... We can look look look...... Could it be that this is what it looks like with arc of approach angled hinge motion on the elbow plane?

Since el nino es no mas when he is 40, what is the prescription? Lift his hands up teach him to swivel so he can control the 3 functions with that geriatric body and all those compensated alignments?

Yes . . . this thread has been all over the place . . . and now Swing-Killa-Go-Rilla the Ghost of Christmas Future has peeled back the layers of infinity future to bring us to the funeral of El Nino . . . es finito . . . his mind has always been dead and now his body and swing . . . all because of some sort of Darwinist experiment that got him on the elbow plane and by chance has controlled the 3 functions and has wrist conditions that smell of gorilla turds . . . after the ball is LONG GONE . . . forces . . . must . . . go . . . some . . . where.

Oh and one more thing about percieved "flip timers" gettin' old. . . . . I reckon if Freddie Couples evolutionary biscuit flip had learned to get his wrist conditions right he woulda won this week . . . instead he came in what 2nd or something at age 51ish . . . . with "worse" wrist conditions than El Nino . . .

Hey Freddie! If you don't learn to keep your left wrist "flat" (which is an alignment) . . .you'll be DONE DEAD by the time your 70 pal. Better wake up and smell the gorilla turds.

I think both girls at this dance are purdy, and I ain't even been at the hooch. :)

Freddy is a marvel, man I love to watch him swing. So lazy and loose, just lets her go. Freddy got the flinches with the putter, still has them, but technology, the belly putter, saved him. Lucky for him he can let centrifugal force and a beautiful flail happen without flinching in the full motion swing. I hope he always will, because if he gets the flinches there, he won't be able to get it back.

I know, it happened to me. Never had a clue about the flat left wrist. I just let her go, and I was pretty good for a while. Not Freddy good, but I could play with my fellow northerners. Then I got the flinches, my flail was out of control. Had NO CLUE how to get it back. Quit playing. Then I found Lynn Blake, Homer Kelley, and my friend Bucket. Now I have a clue, and don't have to quit forever. Not anywhere near where I was because of injuries and being lazy & fat, but I can have some fun again.

I think there is a place for letting her go, Freddy proves that, and hope he does for years to come.

There is also a place for exaggerating Homer's alignments. I proved that to myself.

You helped me understand it Bucket, and I learn something from every post you make. :salut:

Kevin

Putting red bull in your cheerios again? You got all that drivel and spit from my post and reading chicken droppings in your tea?

You really think El Nino thinks with his hands?
I guess when he is regripping 20 times before a shot, it's not a feel thing, he's really just changing his mind.

Cap'n Crunch . . . .

Here's some evidence as to what Sergio thinks with . . . .




Even though Sergio's wrist conditions AFTER the ball is gone may make you wanna throw up in your mouth a lil' bit . . . is the clubface motion uniform? is his pivot centered? does his clubshaft waiver from the inclined plane where the bidness gets done? does he control the 3 functions?

You are observing a Lamborghini golf swing not no F250.

Bucket in my EXPERT opinion that is a great photo.
I went to the range today(75 degrees here) and when I was imitating Pete Rose with my driver the guys laughed at me !!. Its your fault

Doc......you can't slide head first on the range .....not loose 2

I don't care poke chop.

He can have all the imperatives work'in AND be doing some nice shift-o-matic chapter 10 plane changes. He's still flip release'in. Why do you think that's such a bad thing? I never said it was bad, just isn't as good as it could be or ... will be.
Read up on the flip release. It occurs when the hands get in a habitual and consistent relationship to the body. There's probably a ton of players that do this including your boy with the purty swing.

BTW - If you ever diss an F250 again, I'm let'in MikeO know where to find you.

my club and many of the finer clubs down here in the south don't let F250's in the parking lots

:scratch: That's just so wrong on so many levels. :crybaby:
They probably wouldn't let a gorilla tee it up either.

I sniff capitulation . . . . .

I don't think it's a BAD THING . . . I think it's the RIGHT thing for him . . . . you are changing your tone . . . I ain't your old lady so you don't have to worry about me cuttin' you off since we're in a tiff . . . you said the following . .


No active elbow awareness; no active hand alignment to plane awareness; it's all about the feel of hands guided by the pivot.

The infamous 10-24F Flip Release.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4237.html

Admit it, when we aren't thinking or aiming, its what happens. Some are better at it than others. They just dug it out of the dirt and put it on auto pilot. The more we have hand awareness, the better our pivots respond, but some like Sergio have the flip too well timed to mess with it. Wait till he turns 40 and starts wondering why he can't shape shots anymore. Body control gets a lot tougher as we age.


So you WERE trying to get us to sniff that

a. Sergio has no clue what he's doing

b. his release type is somehow inferior to whatever it is that you would prescribe to "fix" him

c. that swinging like this was gonna wreck his body by the time he was 40 or he wouldn't be able to handle it with a 40 year old body or something whacko like that

And now you are saying "oh there ain't nothing wrong with a flip release" . . . come on mamaw which is it? Is it gonna send Sergio to the land of misfit toys by the time he's 40? And if so . . . what would you tell him to do to fix it???

You gonna slap some mudflaps on the Testarossa? It ain't got no gas in it . . . . .

Older sister
 

That's his older sister. : >

Nahh, just joshing you. Very funny 12PB!

ICT