O.B and I are having a very calm and very good discussion about putting the concepts of 7-2 into drawings. There isn't any disagreement. We're trying to reach an understanding of the material and the best way to represent it graphically. It isn't about who can draw better. I don't draw very well. But, I do think that the drawings will help anyone to understand 7-2 easier and/or better.

You're welcome to join the discussion and contribute by pointing out our shortcomings or by offering another interpretation or simply by recommending what colors to use for the Drawing.

Hey O.B., Graphically, Hitting looks like a much simpler procedure.

cause it is...........

drive my hands somewhere versus swing them somewhere......I think one is much more precise, and IMO you can be a little less athletic to make it happen.

Yes indeed , Hitting or Manipulated Hands Swinging ...........Homer had a personal preference for Rotating the Grip as opposed to Rotating the Plane Line . But to each their own , there is no better way.

By the way , who in the history of golf is a True Swinger? I honestly dont know. I can imagine a few, Bobby Jones maybe, but under my interpretation of Homer anyways , vis a vis grip rotation ...........maybe not.


And for the record , I have no interest in a peeing contest with Daryl. My only interest is in the uncovering of Homers meaning or the truth about golf. Be they one and same or otherwise. So far , Homer's doing pretty good to my mind. But it doesnt really matter to me if he's wrong about something, or Daryl is for that matter , or me........so what? Its a journey of discovery, something we have embarked on together , a quest we share. Lets make a million mistakes and find the answer in the process. It will require dialogue.

If what we're talking about amounts to "ziltch" then we have failed. But only for now.

The latest Drawing of Hitters "Hook" Setup. What should I change to make the drawing more accurate or more understandable?

This angled hinge draw is likely to produce a low ball flight, yes?

I guess you can still draw with angled hinge with the ball forward and a slightly stronger than usual grip if you want the high draw, no?

D to answer your question and at the risk of being slightly off topic. I'd say, respectfully :

Lose the line and title defining the foot or stance line as it has no bearing on plane line considerations. Identify your Low Point line. Move the ball back progressively to highlight the associated progressive increase in Divergence. I'd also remove your title "the hook" it's really not a how to hit a hook thing but rather the inherent draw tendency associated with moving the ball back given grip rotation. 7-2 GRIP TYPES. Not shot shaping. There are plane line implications to Grip Rotation..

You've drawn the angle of approach this being a hitter question but Hitters do commonly use the Arc of Appraoch as well ..... So maybe for clarity sake you could draw and identify the Arc of approach and leave that 2-j-3 can of worms for another day. It got a whole different set of geometric considerations that is best left alone for these purposes. Including a cross line plane line. But that said the ground work you are doing here would describe it as well ........

Man imagine 7-2 and 2-J-3 explained with diagrams......that would some serious fog abatement.

I'll give it a try tonight and post the corrections. I like the ideas.

Brownman

While Angled does tend towards a push or a fade if not compensated for with a clubface adjustment at fix, you can still hit draws and hooks easily by rotating your plane line to the right to create more divergence between face angle and clubhead path. The more divergence the more tilted the backspin the more curve. This for what you call a standard swing or geometrically correct swing.

Now if you're really talking about hitting draws and hooks despite the fact you think you're Angled Hinging along a Square Plane Line, then that's a different matter all together. But in Homers world all roads do lead back to impact geometry and so the answer to that one lies there as well.

Thanks Daryl