Agree- we got to nail this down before going on!

I will try and be simple and precise- (wish me luck)

7-3, the elbow plane is defined PRECISELY in 7-3.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...mp-Wedges.html

When the rffw is "on plane" that is a GOOD EP.

"Remember the Right Forearm is not “On Plane” unless the Right Elbow also is still – or again – On Plane (2-F)."

Because you leave -starting backswing- from impact fix and return to prior to impact. Chipping, you stay on EP

The/A TSP is a 1-L plane that also touches the right shoulder at TOP/END.

Hope I'm close to right.


The Bear

And then you know what's going to happen O.B.?

That EP is going to swing around and get "steeper" and #2 and #3 are going to vanish. We are going to have both arms straight and pointed at the extended plane line. We will be on A TSP. We are going to call this beautifull place "follow-through".

From there we will swivel and glide on up to finish.

Hold-Rest, our work is done. How does it look? :) We "hope"? maybe with alignments we can change hope to understanding?? Ya think?.

The Bear

Whether the clubshaft plane angle gets steeper, more shallow or stays the same after impact depends on what you do with your PP's pressure through impact and beyond. I think.

Life Line to Yoda
 

Im all for the Right Forearm being on Plane , I love the alignment personally. "No, you cant take that away from me".

I can work under either definition of Elbow Plane but lets ask Yoda for clarification and work under his definition.

"Yoda, if the Right Elbow is on Plane (through impact) is that an Elbow Plane? Despite the fact the Elbow and Shaft can align to higher planes such as the TSP per Homer. Does that make for a Elbow/TS Plane? How 'bout TSP is there a range?"

Is that question good by you guys?

Thanks BerntR

That's "kind-of" why I put "steeper" in quotes. Feel steeper, (Hogan?) works also- This thread may get to that also??

The Bear

I am pretty sure that in a well executed stroke with a "heavy" right hand on the shaft the right forearm will be on plane whether you're swinging on TSP, EP or something inbetween.

Look at Jim Furyk and Moe Norman. They are probably as far apart plane wise through impact as you get. Yet, both have the RF on plane through impact. The difference will be how close to your right hip the elbow goes.

There are a few good golfers who has the right forearm slightly under plane through impact. I attribute that to a "late hit" timing.

For sure. You're talking Right Forearm Flying Wedge there and I totally agree. The only stumbling block so far in our march towards the identification of an ideal exit plane , if there is an ideal exit plane, is the definition of Elbow , TSP etc. It been a thing for me for a while now , so lets get er done once and for all.

(Then we can run wild on other forums correcting people and getting em all mad at us and using weird capitalizations and terminology and stuff. Some of which we make up for the occasion.............) Lynn how do insert smilie faces I cant even get "The Shadow of your Smile" E faces working here.

That sounds like a great plan:salut:

But let's make a strategy before we hit the road with this one. First we start off with a couple of months worth of telling what's wrong without telling what's right....:laughing9

Back on topic; I'm not quite sure where your emphasis. I'm thinking that the CF imposed by the club on the hands potentially can pull the hands out of their ideal path and that this again will pull the club out of it's ideal path. Thus, you get a situation where the tail is wagging the dog.

PS I hit the range today and tried Gary Players tip on plugged lies out of the bunker; Square to closed face and lot of wrist action. It worked like a charm. But the wind is blowing in Texas so now I have half a bunker in my hair :sad2:

Ok, so am I completely wrong?
 

My contention without being contentious, is that the Pulley System describes what Plane is being used for the start and the exit. :)

Is that like saying "rain is wet?" If it is, I'm sorry.

I'm trying to be technical and, well, it's not a naturally given skill.


ICT