Thanks Daryl, for your explanation in post #16.

Could you explain for what purpose is curriculum in 12-5 ?

And how can I prepare stroke patern for short nad long chip shots and if this patern will relate to curriculum ?

D likes to hike his belt up and then adopt a Hands only pigeon toed basic motion.........

If the same question was posed to you (and not D:) what would then be your answer?

- the question being:

Could you explain for what purpose is the curriculum in 12-5 ?

And how can I prepare a stroke pattern for short and long chip shots and if this pattern will relate to the curriculum ?

12-5 is a way of learning golf...... incrementally. You build it from the ground up, slowly, with variations to the extent you are able. At the least you have a very usable simple methodology , like two or three accumulator drive loading for instance. But for the more talented it can lead to a master's level of execution. Especially when you bring in Hinge Action and other variations.

If you read 12-5-0 BASIC REQUIREMENTS you'll see you start with a short continuos motion back and through without a ball even. But even there, at the beginning there is something to master before you move on.......something quite profound actually.

As for your chip shot pattern........you have options , lots of them. Experiment , have fun with it, play around with it. 12-5-1, Stage One 10. lists Accumulator #4 , Left ARm Motion. A 10-3-D PULL Minor Basic Stroke. But if you're Hitting you could use Accumulator #1 instead, the Right Arm. Typically a 10-3-K BAT, Minor Basic Stroke. See the Minor Basic Strokes for more options for shorter shots.

You need to regulate the power for short little shots by employing only one source of power , one power accumulator but that source of power can be located in any of the Three Zones. Take putting for instance: Hands only putting (like Arnie used to do). Arms only , (left or right arm but not both) , or Pivot only (shoulder stroke). The latter though not listed in 12-5 is without doubt the most common method on tour and described in 10-3-H THE PAW Minor Basic Stroke.

Why did Homer prefer arm motions for 12-5-1 when he clearly understood the possible alternatives , popular ones as well? I can only speculate that he thought them to be better suited to the pupils progression through the curriculum. A "sameness" being present as you progressed.

Its sort of like Phil's putting stroke looking like his chipping stroke which looks like his pitching stroke..........there is a sameness there. Its built , built , built up. But if you or Phil for that matter developed a strong preference for a unique and different putting or different chipping stroke, a departure from the sameness so to speak.......if it worked better for you.........by all means do it! It's a game and one we are supposed to enjoy. It will require a little change when you move from one Stage to the other or from chipping to putting say .......not theoretically ideal but not unusual either.

Homer gave some serious thought to 12-5 so I wouldnt discard its prescribed components too quickly though. It formed the basis for the Bachelor level Certification test and is to my mind his greatest contribution to the plight of Joe Duffer.

I thought I was illustrating your point Daryl
 

I'm sorry! I needed a more explicit summary statement. How about this?

All 3 zones are inter-related and a person's perspective can change based on the insight they enjoy from any one of the zones, as often as those insights occur. Here is an example of how insight from the Pivot (Zone 1) really changed the physical feeling I had in my hands and the # 3 PP (Zone # 3) .

Let me be sure to woodenly parrot every aspect of all the previous posts in a thread in my posts, so that any reader, anytime, anywhere, can completely comprehend all the details and inferences necessary, and the necessary TGM references, sufficient to go running and screaming from the room and give up this great game forever! Oh wait, about 10 million people give up the game every year, already! Sheesh!

YBGF

Basic-relation of chip, pitch, full shot to motion curriculum
 

HI Air!

When I first started with this TGM site, I was determined to follow the correct steps to improve my golf swing in a basic way.

So, I hit a lot of chips, THEN pitches, THEN full shots. What I came to realize is that TGM is more like a work of art than a science in that it uses very accurate observations to entertain golfers. Golfers are entertained by becoming MUCH BETTER Golfers! :)

All 3 of the shots mentioned above share a central reality in that they are caused by movement. Our bodies are built for movement; HK said:


"......."Basic Motion" (Preface) is simply "Up-and-Back-and-Down-and Out" per 7-23 from Drive to Putt. Your "Total Motion" is that Basic Motion plus its Component Variations (Chapter 10)-selected and/or othewise (Chapter 12).

Whatever you are "working on" must produce a change In Feel because its a selected addition to your previous Total Motion Feel-your "Acquired Feel",

the present stage of your Total Motion development." (my emphasis)

We feel all the time since our bodies are always moving in some form or fashion. (Blood, heart, breath...chips, pitches, full shots and putts...these are a few of my favorite things...) HK was a fully wired, fully aware, person, IMHO (IMHO is not a TGM component reference). :)

I believe HK felt the whole swing in everything he did! His mechanical snapshots were of a dynamic human action. He wanted us to understand each tree and the whole forest as the forest changed in every season.

I WILL NOW USE ANOTHER METAPHOR TO ILLUSTRATE MY FEELING ABOUT CHIPS, PITCHES, AND FULL SHOTS TO THE FULL MOTION CURRICULUM. :)
Hopefully, you are still reading, Air.

Michelangelo's "Pieta" actually seemed to breath when I stood in front of it, though it is made out of marble. Michelangelo trained his gift by making a basic motion long before he made sketches which acquired more human details and long before he was commissioned to perform a total "work of art."

Michelangelo's basic motion? Drawing water drops, streams, rain clouds, fog, lakes, seas and human tears were things he filled his sketch books with. He drew motion. HK describes motion using a golf club.

Wanna learn the basic stroke? Work in all 3 zones whenever you FEEL like it, but make sure you work a little in all 3 every day. Do a few chips, pitchs, and a few full swings and Pivot out of your shoes! Your FEELfor golf will grow much more effectively by experiencing all 3 zones as often as possible! When you get a certain feeling that works with a well hit ball of any length, try to identify the mechanics or vice-versa!

Did you see Lynn's new video post, yet? He did a good job. I felt somewhat frustrated for him because his task was to limit his thoughts and presentations on such an exciting subject.


Some guy said :

Basic (Stage 1), Acquired (Stage 2) and Total Motion (Stage 3) is a curriculum intended to instruct one in the "Three Zones". Hands, Arms, Pivot. A Wind Instrument musician practices Scales, Arpeggios and Whole Tones.

It may be best to keep them separate from on the course ball striking terminology.


I think you should combine all 3 Zones as often as possible in any order you wish. You might come up with Handel's "Messiah," "What a Wonderful World, or "The Girl from Ipanema!" Your hcp. will improve as will your feelings! :laughing1


YBGF

Thank you. I certainly read it all - and I think I understood what you are saying - and it's sounds like good advice well worth listening to.

I like to reread the preface-
 

preface
Triad
3 imperatives
3 functions
3 stations

all strokes

My opinion- yoda's teaching- HK book.

The Bear

circle of three's. Buckminster Fuller style.
 

Lots of three's , eh Bear? Three types of Lag , three Zones, three Stages to 12-5 , three sides to the triangle, three Hinge Actions, etc etc. Somewhere along the way the system "ultimates in its own simplification". The Triad. The three sets of three.

Of note is that Impact is not a Station (Address, Top and Finish) which is important to recognize when beginning 12-5.

From 12-5-0 BASIC REQUIREMENTS "Use a slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and as continuosly as possible.

Make no adjustment during the Stroke, for-or because of -Impact , NEVER EVER. That is "Hacking at the Ball" and produces only "Hackers." ......."

Which to my mind relates to Steering. Not to take things in a theoretical circle......sorry. Darn crazy book's made me crazy too.

application of instruction
 

Now I understand what I want to know, thanks to all.

The chapter 12 and especially 12-5 is inctruction how can be TGM applied and started to learn (together with chapter 3). In the yellow book there are not enough such instruction to learn different golf shots, but the book provides system for build paterns and way(curriculum) for learning them.

As I stated in the start of the thread I focusing to TGM only 2 months. I do not have avaiable instructor, and that is why I must focuse on instructing myself to proper application and translation of TGM.

I have other questions and problems with component applications, but for them I will open separate threads.