Oh? Back to the subject of the Thread?

CF pulls the sweetspot of the Clubhead in line with the Longitudinal Center of Gravity of the Golf Club. CF can only pull these into a straight line. CF doesn't do "over-correction", only "straight".

The Clubface will only square up for Impact if it's designed/manufactured square to the LCG. Variable weighted Heads (with adjustable screws) allow you to change the Clubface geometry by changing the LCG via changing the Clubhead Sweetspot or you can purchase Clubs with Open or Closed Faces.

Over Roll is not caused by a "Hinge". Over Roll can be caused by poorly executing a Swivel or substituting Swivel for a Hinge. Therefore, Over Roll is caused by poorly or over-executed Hand Manipulation.

I find that highly offensive Daryl.

Which part? "lacks sufficient knowledge" or your "need to resort to personal attacks on me"?

We are all here because we "lack sufficient knowledge", so it must be the part about you "resorting to personal attacks on me". If you find that offensive, then stop doing it.

Fellas, in the words of Ginger Spice, from the movie "Spice World". (yes I have daughters).

"Guys, guys, guys.........Have you not heard of the word COMPROMIZATION?"

Daryl, the only personal attacks on these pages are coming from you.

I don't understand why you are being so hostile to me.

If I am wrong about this, please someone point out where I have personally attacked Daryl.

You accuse me of lacking sufficient knowledge Daryl, I never claimed I had the knowledge in the first place, I simply asked a question. I then aske dyou to elaborate and the post in a non hostile way - that was like waving a red flag at a bull.

Seriously Daryl, your attitude towards me is making it difficult to make this site one of my daily visits.

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How can you say that the only personal attacks are coming from me? Seriously, are you drunk? Yesterday you personally attacked me by saying:

If you don't think that's an affront, then explain yourself.

You asked for an opinion on Johns FLW statement. I responded by offering reasonable arguments to prove that his statement was gibberish? Then, you accused me of using the word gibberish as a "Taunt". Really? after reading my arguments you think I used the word as a "Taunt"? It is the only word I know that describes his statement. It remains "gibberish".

OK...

Daryl, it was a crazy and heated debate but I understand the majority of what you have to say and I have learned alot from JE. Its nice to hear what a player does, what a player has tried, and his personal feels to support it. You have to remember that JE learned from Doyle WAY back and as we know, homer's ideals changed slightly from edition to edition. What he learned then as a player may be just a little different from today. Either way, he is very knowledgeable - as are you.

I do agree that CF will pull in a straight line and that at some point, if left 'unbridled', the clubhead may pass the hands and the forearms would roll over, however, with proper hinge action, this can be reduced or avoided.

In my own mind, the only way I can see the over roll occuring is if the pivot cannot support the accumulator dump into the ball. Then we would see this happen.

This isn't a headed debate. It's far from debate and it looks less harmless than it is.

He is not very knowledgeable. I'm only somewhat knowledgeable. Give John E. credit for a great career and effort and ability.

"Roll" is imparted by the rotating torso and is not an actual roll of the hands. The Sweetspot of the Clubhead does not rotate around the shaft, but the shaft rotates around the sweetspot. "Rhythm" is Holding both Lever Assemblies to the same basic R.P.M. throughout the Stroke while overtaking all other Components at a steady, even rate.

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The following is a great example of what I see as a scary problem.

What is Accumulator Dump? This is the kind of Gibberish that anyone knowledgeable of TGM would cringe when hearing. See the following quote.

Where does HK use the word "DUMP". "Dump" is johns misrepresentation of the concept of accumulator release. His professional Playing Career has lent him credibility so when he says these things, people believe him but are getting the wrong understanding of TGM.

The phrase "Accumulator Dump" is an invention. It's a phantom argument. There is a fine line here between "Misrepresentation" and "Lack of Knowledge".

Daryl, just curious. Why did you run from Erickson's site deleing all your posts while closing the door?

Erickson is in fact very knowledgeable. His knowledge does not limit itself within a book - he has lived the book on tour and found pure swinging wanting in his case. He has studied great ball strikers and found an alternative hitting pattern that probably does not fit your TGM version. That does not mean he is not knowledgeable - on the contrary, he has something extra to offer.

This is getting out of hand guys. Please.

"Gentlemen, Generals please, there'll be no fighting in the War Room".

The idea that CF produces an over roll is not Lag's originally anyways . Havent we all thought that at one point or another? Its as old as golf itself, isnt it? For ages golfers as they improved developed hooks via a over roll of the hands and clubface. Didnt Hogan think that a Hook was a natural result of a good golf swing or something to that effect. I take my internet name from a similar predicament I had for a decade or so. It sure seemed natural to me back then, when I was a junior golfer.

My question was an ernest one. No disrespect intended at all. There is much I admire about Lag's writing. We learn by discussing. That is my sole objective here.

I believe you could have woken Hogan up in the middle of the night and he could still stripe one. Im open to answers of all kinds. Maybe Horizontal Hinging in itself is a constraint to CF? Although Homers balsa wood clubhead on a string demonstration would suggest otherwise.