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Uppndownn 02-07-2008 09:18 AM

Wow
 
These guys are GOOD! :salut:

UPP in snowing Ohio

glcoach 02-07-2008 09:40 AM

I agree with golfgnome. Here is why.

I started my study of TGM 3 yrs. ago. Flat left wrist, flat left wrist....that was all that I heard it seemed, so I got a tire Ben Doyle style and whacked that thing JUST LIKE HIM on the videos here. No tire flipping over, just pure...every time

But...I still did not hit the golf ball like I wanted. I had pivot problems. My hands were educated and I didn't flip it, but I still steered it and my pivot was awful

So my impact condition was great, but all the stuff that went into it (my pivot, lag, etc.) was not very good, which resulted in still mediocre golf. I am only now starting to become enlightened as to what I need to work on.

okie 02-07-2008 10:19 AM

Yikes!
 
A prickly problem of meta-physical proportions! Impact is secondary (or at the very least incidental....preparation for impact is primary (or at the very least instrumental) We live in the present...impact is in the future...we must prepare for its inevitability, because precision is not thrown in! More practically, you can't monitor impact, hence the Three Stations! Impact IS the moment of truth...and the ball does not fib!:liar:

So impact is primary to the ball, but secondary to the golfer. Preparation is primary for the golfer and secondary to the ball! :eyes:

mrodock 02-07-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glcoach (Post 49095)
I agree with golfgnome. Here is why.

I started my study of TGM 3 yrs. ago. Flat left wrist, flat left wrist....that was all that I heard it seemed, so I got a tire Ben Doyle style and whacked that thing JUST LIKE HIM on the videos here. No tire flipping over, just pure...every time

But...I still did not hit the golf ball like I wanted. I had pivot problems. My hands were educated and I didn't flip it, but I still steered it and my pivot was awful

So my impact condition was great, but all the stuff that went into it (my pivot, lag, etc.) was not very good, which resulted in still mediocre golf. I am only now starting to become enlightened as to what I need to work on.

I think that is interesting, you can have a great impact position but if you don't have the proper dynamics you aren't going to hit the ball on the trajectory you wish to nor with enough force.

12 piece bucket 02-07-2008 03:21 PM

If you swing in any circle type shaped swing it's going to have a low point somewhere right? Soooooooooo the critical deal is to have the low point where YOU want it within the framework of that motion . . . So I reckon you have to identify the things that:

a. Shift Low Point
b. Allow you to consistently locate it in a fashion that allows you to compress the golf ball with the face and the path blended in a way that gets the ball to end up where you want it to.

if something goes down and then comes back up . . . it has a low point but maybe not a desired one.

12 piece bucket 02-07-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glcoach (Post 49095)
I agree with golfgnome. Here is why.

I started my study of TGM 3 yrs. ago. Flat left wrist, flat left wrist....that was all that I heard it seemed, so I got a tire Ben Doyle style and whacked that thing JUST LIKE HIM on the videos here. No tire flipping over, just pure...every time

But...I still did not hit the golf ball like I wanted. I had pivot problems. My hands were educated and I didn't flip it, but I still steered it and my pivot was awful

So my impact condition was great, but all the stuff that went into it (my pivot, lag, etc.) was not very good, which resulted in still mediocre golf. I am only now starting to become enlightened as to what I need to work on.

Prior to the Pivot upgrade . . . what kind of shots did you hit? What did your pivot look like before?

Amen Corner 02-07-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrodock (Post 49120)
I think that is interesting, you can have a great impact position but if you don't have the proper dynamics you aren't going to hit the ball on the trajectory you wish to nor with enough force.

I thought that you all knew that........


Taken from a book that is on sales at "Hinkens"-place.

"9-1 ZONE #1 includes all the elements of Body movement and balance, and defines the geometrical alignments and relationships of the Body Components. These motions are to be completely uncompromised by Arm and Club motions. Execution of a Preselected Pivot should be identical with or without Arms and Club to avoid any awkward “hitch” in the Turn when actually playing. The Pivot involves twisting the body and shifting the weight during the Stroke so as to maintain balance, a motionless head and any required tilt of the torso. All motion is in a preselected sequence and spacing of whatever Components are being employed. Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot."


Or am I wrong again Hinken?

12 piece bucket 02-07-2008 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amen Corner (Post 49128)
I thought that you all knew that........


Taken from a book that is on sales at "Hinkens"-place.

"9-1 ZONE #1 includes all the elements of Body movement and balance, and defines the geometrical alignments and relationships of the Body Components. These motions are to be completely uncompromised by Arm and Club motions. Execution of a Preselected Pivot should be identical with or without Arms and Club to avoid any awkward “hitch” in the Turn when actually playing. The Pivot involves twisting the body and shifting the weight during the Stroke so as to maintain balance, a motionless head and any required tilt of the torso. All motion is in a preselected sequence and spacing of whatever Components are being employed. Emphatically, Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot."


Or am I wrong again Hinken?

6-G-0 . . . you are right to a point . ..
). Educated Hands can compensate for Off Line Hip and Shoulder Motion but only up to a point.

Amen Corner 02-07-2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 49130)
6-G-0 . . . you are right to a point . ..
). Educated Hands can compensate for Off Line Hip and Shoulder Motion but only up to a point.


At the same time.................

Talk to me about 6-H-0

6-H-0 IMPERATIVES You can’t have Educated Hands unless you know what to teach them. The following curriculum is imperative....... and so on..

where does the pivot come in?

12 piece bucket 02-07-2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amen Corner (Post 49132)
At the same time.................

Talk to me about 6-H-0

6-H-0 IMPERATIVES You can’t have Educated Hands unless you know what to teach them. The following curriculum is imperative....... and so on..

where does the pivot come in?

OK Popciclepecker . . . I reckon it may just have something to do with 1-L #1??? As in the FIRST THING???

6-H-0 to me anyway is STRICTLY about the Hands isolated . . .not Total Motion.

Don't make me tape wings to Mike O and fly his stankbutt over there!!!!


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