I just go back and forth between aiming point and driving my hands to impact fix hand position with each club to feel the aim point for each club. It may not be the most exact method at first, but you get to feel the proper aim point eventually.

Fear!
 

My quiet hands and wedges are zipping down-plane so fast from TSP that I am afraid to mess with various Aiming Points. I am just enjoying the wallop so much and the feeling of the ball go squish!! :dance:

ICT

I had you adjust your stance width which adjusts your right shoulder location at impact to the right forearm angle of approach. You test this with a Waggle at Impact Fix, and you're doing well with this procedure. So, your Aiming Point is always going to be "the Ball" as illustrated below. I think that this is the best all-around way to go.

If you have a "Straight line Delivery Path" (second phase of the downstroke acceleration sequence) then you have an Aiming Point (not every has one). If you extend the line to the ground, it should point somewhere along the Plane Line. Drag the #3 PP down the Straight Line Path to the Aiming Point.

Throw-out begins at the end of the straight line where the pulley begins (dashed line).

There is another way....Not, in my opinion the best way (one of Homers ways). But, you can keep your stance width the same and adjust your Aiming Point. Then, the aiming point controls the release point. So, for a Driver the Aiming Point will be aft of the ball and a Wedge might have an Aiming Point forward of the ball. But this doesn't work if you keep changing your stance width.

And, very important, the #3 Accumulator angle in your Left hand can change to fine tune the process.

Hey ICT

Here's a little something for you . Bucket sent me this book , I miss that guy where the heck is he high diddly hiding? Wish he'd come back .

IMO, Homer didnt invent the Aiming Point. Just like he didnt invent Hinge Action etc etc. But he decoded it quite nicely ..........then he wrote the most confusing book ever written on golf . Well unless Daryl or I decide to write one that is. :) Or maybe we collaborate? peanut butter ? And chocolate? That'll never taste good.

Re aiming point . Think about the longer levers and how they take longer to switch ends. Get an old 2 iron and try to hit it. You need to sweep it off the turf in common speak . Random Sweep Release isnt called "sweep' for nothing . The longer clubs need to be released earlier to get to there Fix position by impact. Just like old Abe says on page 67. The Aiming Point PROCEDURE can be employed to effect this . Or the aiming point procedure can be employed to delay release . Homer believed that it was the best way to learn Snap release .

IMO as an aside and I know how averse you are to digression so I appologize in advance.... people get too enamoured with Snap Release . Or super Snap . You got Full Sweep at one end , Snap at the other and everthing in between (Random Sweep). They are all useful . The Release Point is a Mechanical Adjustment . The longer levers demand an earlier release. It can all be done by feel of course too. Thats how most folks do it. Even those with no perception of what we call the

LMAO but I digress!
 

:laughing9 :laughing9 :)

I am drawing Daryl's stick figure and running out to an indoor driving range to further field test release points and stance widths!

Rock on with your bad selves! :whistle:

ICT

Rocks and Hard Places
 

Wow. Tough subject.

Radically different alignments -- Hitters versus Swingers.

Absent demonstration, almost impossible to describe in words.

Even then, only for the few.

Sorry, O.B., can't go there.

:(

Hah .

Isnt it really Hitters , manipulated Hands Swingers (making for almost everybody) versus True Swingers?

And BTW , shouldnt we annotate 6-H-O F accordingly? "Associate the following with True Swinging". Given "Plane Line Rotation".

K how bout this one then Yoda? If you positioned the ball back of Straight Away Position and didnt Rotate the Grip (face towards the target line or start line) but instead rotated the plane line to point the face at your start line .... Im thinking you'd hit a straight shot yes assuming you've aligned for zero divergence between face and clubhead path. But didnt you just effectively add loft to the club face?

Maybe I haven't looked a lot but its easy to find Irons off the rack without added "Hookface" but I haven't seen a Driver without added "Hookface". I have a Nike Driver with at least 5 degrees added. Pings are just as bad but I have an OLD Titleist pretty close to zero.

Is there a doctor of Golf in the house?
 

When I was practicing on the radar-based driving range, it took me about 10 swings to remember the bucket and Extensor action. Before doing that my ball speed according to the machine was about 82 mph on my driver (I think it is off two clubs since it had me hitting my 6 iron 140 yards which is what I hit my 8 iron on a 50 degree day). With full Extensor action and quiet hands and aiming at the inside quadrant of the ball loading the # 3 PP and flipping the hip I got up two 86 mph on the machine with about a 210 yard carry and roll.

Smashing through the ball felt great! Pretty straight ball with narrow stance and TSP Horizontal Hinge.

For yucks, I played St.Andrew's and had one birdie on my way two an 85 managing to avoid all sand traps except one. Lots of really stupid putts into a screen. Weird. It was an easy 85 and yes I did put the simulator on calm and sunny, may Jack Morris forgive me! :shifty:

Putting on the greens at St. Andrew's for real was easier than the computer, real rap, no fraudin', done it twice!' Computer rough/heather is easier though, a lot easier, LOL!


ICT

I really like the drawing!
 

Thanks Daryl! I will ruminate on the meaning of the drawing and OB's comments too! I swing faster with the feeling of my hands back letting the hip do the work!

Ok. Think about it. Keep in mind that during the Straight Line portion, the Right Arm is not straightening. Leave that for the Pulley.

One more thing. If you're looking for a Swing Thought that can start you off on the right track, then try thinking "LOAD". Load the Right Foot, then Load the #3 PP.

I made those mistakes all night last night!
 

While goofing around at the indoor range I made the mistake of turning my hip and driving my right arm! I made a second mistake also, of trying to use Extensor Action as a trigger, I believe. Trigger = swing thought.

Old habits/wrong habits die hard! I can see that if I just loaded the inside right foot, there would be a sufficient weight shift so I had more to drag down! I tend to forget and keep a lot of my weight on my left leg since it is shorter. :doh:

I really have to form a checklist like in the yellow book so I can practice correctly. :exclaim:

Thanks Daryl!

ICT

Aim Points for fun and profit!
 

50 degrees near Philly today for about 10 minutes before going to 45 degrees and partly cloudy and a local course we play about once a year with lots of slope and a par 71.

Using Aim Point Technique on the course with my imitation Steve Stricker swing! Right Forearm Takeaway to my right ear into a braced right knee. Fully extended right arm on plane at set-up, RFT, and right hip turning left while "mind in the hands" directing the thrust of PP # 3 three inches aft and in from the ball for driver (straight ball and summer distance) to 5-6 inches for a high draw. :idea1:

Right to the inner quadrant of the ball for a high lazy fade.

An inch in front of my 3 wood for a solid and long, straight shot or a great hybrid! :whistle:

But the real cool thing was hitting my short irons within 10-20 feet of the pin by aiming my thrust an inch ahead of the ball! Very cool. :thumright

ICT

give it an inch and a half :dontknow:

Did I mention the divots?
 

I had several nice surprises yesterday including the uniform, shallow divots with my wedges and middle irons. I started to feel like a TV PGA "superstar" with the consistent divots and much closer to the pin results.

I also realized today, that I can really trust the # 3 PP drag/lag and that The Aim Point technique is a really powerful tool from any lie! My right forearm will go, as Lynn always says, wherever we point. "Point and reach for the cup!" Yesterday, I got confused with sometimes trying to guess the measurement of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (RFAOA). Then I snapped out of it and remembered what Daryl said about using that RFAOA to measure! :thumright

With any ball lie, I would keep my impact fix and simply place the wedges down on the ground wherever I would like to lag to or drive through. Then I would RFT back to my right ear and then simply fire! I could compensate for any lie by adjusting the Aim Point and keep my right wrist really bent.

I am sure I am missing something basic but this seems incredibly easy. Just be gentle when you call me a moron remembering how sensitive I am!:p

ICT

More benefits of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach
 

Understanding the RFAOA has allowed me to have a better understanding of the Plane, Axis Tilt, set-up, thrust and now Aim Points and now pressure points, and the tracing/covering the line techniques.

Making progress not perfection is the goal. I've realized that tracing the Baseline of the Plane helps the left wrist lay flatter and the right wrist be more bent for swinging and covering that line helps the right forearm drive the heck out of Pressure Point # 1, the heel of the right hand on the left thumb.

I was trying to figure out how to drive more effectively for more power. I know that I have to stay on the inside of my right foot for swinging or hitting. Turning my right hip to the left works great for swinging but for hitting? :eh: So I experimented with driving off my right leg which from extra use is a lot stronger than my right. Man, the loading of PP # 1 was strong and instantaneous! :thumright BAM went the impact bag!!!

So, does it work for swingers? Is this what VJ Trolio's fine book on Hogan "The Final Missing Piece" speaking about, namely, a push off the inside right edge of the back foot shifting most of his weight to the left before the thrust forces the front hip to turn left? Well, I will experiment an report back! Anyone else can chime in too! :thumleft:

This is a very bad idea - not cool. You will be dangerously close to running out of right arm at Impact and a resulting lack of compression!

MJ referring to Lynn's Hitting video in cold weather
 

Sort of doing my imitation of Steve Stricker -sorry not to be more clear.

ICT

Before that post, I went to youtube and looked at Stricker's iron and driver swings and, sure enough, his right elbow looked almost straight, but I still think it's a bad idea for us.

Ideas and experiments are why we are here!
 

I hit a lot of good shots with that technique but I have to really learn my Aim Points so I can know where to thrust. I really have to find a spot and a stance to drive down to the ball!

ICT

Thinking of the endless belt and planes
 

Below is a very helpful discussion of the circle geometry which relates to Aim Point it seems!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26020&highlight=aim+point#post260 20

So, I have put the emphasis on things I will work on like TSP and Aim Point in bold blue and end my experiment with Steve Stricker's swing style.

http://youtu.be/rpdyB_bea-k
http://youtu.be/fXkx0YsCJIA

ICT

Let's examine the right and left hand/arm contribution. I read a article a while back where a golfer did some one armed swinging. As I recall- the golfer had a 2 handed swin speed of about 100 mph, a left arm only swing speed of about 86 mph and a right arm only swing speed of about 90 mph. off-hand, it would show that swinging or hitting-we can argue later which it is- the second hand is a major contributor.
Using the numbers I remember - if swinging the left alone , 86 mph, contributed about 75% to a 2 handed 100mph swing -therefore the right would be the only be the only possible power source for the remaining 25% and if the right arm alone can produce 90 mph would be about 81% and the left must produce 19% of the power to reach 100 mph 2 handed.
I give U the answer now I leave the mechanics of the solution as an exercise for U.

HB

Aiming Point Simplicity
 

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http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...point#post5260

Simple. :angel:

ICT

Magic Right Forearms?
 

Level wrists eh?
 

I get it Kev. Level wrists, regardless of which plane is selected are terrific. Thanks! :hello2:

Daryl's article is sort of reading my mind. I am so into the pressure point thrust now, that everything else serves to simply get and keep the lag!

When Covering the Line as a hitter, do I use the Aim Point of the left thumb/right heel PP # 1 which I am driving do I use the Aim Point of PP # 3?

ICT

City,

Someone once told me a picture is worth 847 words, or something like that. :-)

PP #3 is always your friend when discussing Aiming Point and driving that club down/out/forward...

Just the left wrist is level, the right is uncocked beyond level.

Level wrists at set-up then...
 

...Various aim points...drive off the inside of the right leg and throw or drive the # 3 PP and SNAP even with a 42 degree golf ball or colder. PW-130 yards of carry, 9 iron 145 yards of carry and the # 3 hybrid bounced at about 190 with the driver carrying to almost 250 with either layback or Horizontal Hinge. :laughing9

Throwing or thrusting at the Aim Point means my club head is accelerating at impact faster than ever before! My hybrids and 3 wood are stiff shafted graphite and the shot dispersion was well controlled. My irons are regular steel and well-controlled. I had to use the angle hinge with the senior shafted drivers or I would have no idea of where the drive would go but with the Angle Hinge the soft shaft was amazing.

ICT

Shifting belly button to left to Swing and Drag the Lag
 

Paying careful attention to right foot/left foot/right foot set-up and stance width tonight in 37 degree temp. Impact Fix on the drag lag spot right forearm on plane. Tracing back/stepping back to inside of right foot and shifting the belly button left. Thrust/lag drag in front of short irons-110 yard 52 degree wedge, 130 yard pw, 141 + yard 9 iron all straight with narrow stance and very high/soft landing, drag lag of middle irons and hybrids to back of ball- 6 iron 170 yards plus carry 3 hybrid 180 yards 2 hybrid inch in front of ball for almost 200 yards carry (have to retrain my stance to get wider!) and the driver, choked down an inch, teed low floats very high past 230. Drive works best with feeling of dragging the lag to the middle of my stance. Have to keep my hands back and let the weight shift throw the club head at the Base line of the plane.

ICT

Weather report:30 degrees, windy and steady compression in the late afternoon
 

The Right Forearm Angle of Approach and Bucket Drills provided by Daryl have led me to a lot of new insights based on TGM. I have a driving range buddy Anthony, who is a huge fan of Ben Hogan and has read every book, purchased rare volumes and films and hits the ball a ton. I showed Anthony the Bucket Drill and he was blown away and then I explained the term "Right Forearm Angle of Approach" (RFAA) and Anthony says "well Hogan used that but you don't do it as far as he did!" and so we go on and on...

http://youtu.be/NeFBj3361i8

I knew I wanted to do it, carry the right forearm laid off down and stay connected, that is. Anthony said that he had noticed a "hitch" in my swing that seemed to disrupt my swing. I said "you mean my line of compression?" "I was off-plane?" So I explained "line of compression." Anthony did not realize there was a term of that, again.

Anthony explained how Hogan said that any shot below a 5 iron needed an open stance so the hips would be pre-turned since the clubs were so short that they straightened earlier (came into line). So, I started opening my stance and shortening it. The hitch disappeared! :) The RFAA and elbow connection was sustained. I felt the ball compress as I have since Daryl suggested I shorten my stance weeks ago. :golfcart:

Anthony said it was the first time he saw my left shoulder work up and my swing look "smooth" He explained how in his study Hogan and pros create a huge space between their front hip and front shoulder so the club can stay on plane, but that the foot work has to be good. I told him about the "both arms straight position" being necessary for full extension and power and again he was surprised that there was golfing language for that. :p

So I shortened and opened my stance for every club including my # 2 hybrid ( 200 yards high and straight despite the cold and wind) and driver ( old Adams Red Line 9.5 senior shaft ) where I actually saw the ball "double accelerate" off the face of the club time and again ! :golfcart2:

For each shot, I knew I would go through "both arms straight" compressing the ball, hitting through the ball and either drawing or fading the ball based on ball position. I had been watching a lot of Mike Austin and his "step and throw" which like Hogan's had kept his right Elbow attached to his side for a long time.

http://youtu.be/962X9A1oQsI

So by stepping left and keeping my right elbow connected or using the RFAA Bucket drill, I was able to sustain the Lag on plane and in balance! I am not throwing as Mike Austin did but simply dragging the mop through by stepping left. The balls left the driver shooting like bb's and went high and straight or any way I determined based on ball position. As narrow as my stance was, I was able to reach full extension through the both arms straight position and finish with the "arrow through the ear " finish fully facing the target with my chest and with both knees almost touching.

Daryl had told me that the RFAA would result in much straighter ball flight and better compression. By opening and narrowing my stance and stepping left, I am now able to carry my right elbow and Power Package through strongly gaining both power and precision.

Thanks guys!

ICT

knee +PP #4 +PP # 3 = Full LAG and Forward Swivel
 

Lifting up my left heel, as Lynn showed me two years ago, gets all my weight going back and my back is almost square to the target. Lifting my right heel forces my BACK hip to drop, my BACK shoulder to drop on plane along with the reconnecting back elbow, my RFAA to flatten and pressure PP # 4 pulling PP # 3 from the TOP with speed so that the LAG is THROWN AT THE BALL WITH GREAT SPEED. The head must be steady AND THE BACK ELBOW WILL RECONNECT WITH THE HIP DROP AS THE ARMS ARE PULLED STRAIGHT TO COLLECT THE CHIN WITH THE TURNING BACK SHOULDER! :golfer3:

45 degrees and same increased distances as yesterday! Ball position for me seems to be a couple inches back from normal given my unusual leg length. THE FEELING I NOW HAVE IS OF RELAXING, SINKING INTO THE RIGHT HEEL LIFT AND WAITING FOR THE PULL OF PP # 3 TO PULL THE ROPE/CLUB TAUGHT THROUGH THE BALL AND MAKING ME LIFT MY HEAD TO SEE THE BALL VERY HIGH, PENETRATING AND STRAIGHT.

Thanks guys!

ICT

Lower Body Work

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=40726&highlight=left+knee#post407 26

ICT

More on the Pivot....via Ben hogan and r\taught to me by Lynn Blake! My emphasis in blue/bold.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39914&highlight=left+knee#post399 14

Watch this tape without the sound concentrating on the front heel of Hogan and the easy flow of his hands and arms. Those things I have highlighted were shown to me by Lynn Blake and further reinforced by the nice people on this website in various communications.


http://youtu.be/Q5s7o2HFbh4

Thanks LBG!


ICT

Tension free swing lifting up and re-setting the left heel, "mind in the hands" presetting the golf Swing or Hit. "YOU MUST PREPARE!"

http://youtu.be/jqNlEy0pNBc

http://youtu.be/cKrSzhcX2lI

http://youtu.be/yx0YkMn5fpw

http://youtu.be/3LarXgS_ays

Thanks LBG!

ICT

Feeling the # 3 PP for an amazingly smooth, close strike!

While stepping onto my right heel with full weight feeling very tall and balanced, Swinging from impact Fix, very comfortable on my longer leg, Bent Right Wrist above my right ear, enjoying the highest hand position I've ever had, I had a very, very narrow stance (feet next to each other within one shoe size). The head seems isolated over the back leg, perfectly still until the club whipping through drags the shoulder up and the head with it. I watch impact without a concern or interruption.

Slight pressure on PP # 3 but the Bent Right Wrist is very, very relaxed. I step left on the left heel quickly and the BRW falls straight down with the pull of the left hip on PP # 3 and weight of the club head pulverizing the ball.



Irons and hybrids do inverted fishhooks straight out with little fades as my width stays narrow and as I focus on impact at the inner quadrant. Head is relaxed and completely stable and optimum strikes happen with the ball closer to me than ever before. Driver seems to double accelerate! Lots of fog here today, ball was rising at 200 yards before disappearing : > I do believe because of my left leg shortness, my weight flows very quickly to my left side in planting my left heel and throwing the club at the ball! ( It has taken me awhile to feel the shift because I am always feeling my right leg carrying most of my weight.)

(RFAOA right forearm angle of attack and Narrow Stance very effective thanks Daryl!)

ICT

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English?/French/Dutch or any google-translatable language would help!

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Nopers! No clue.
 

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