I'll settle for that "Drive Out" is correct and "Throw Out" is wrong in the quote from the book.

same question new flix
 

Same question:
Compare 5 year old vs present swing;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcP6X7dEUo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnXA...layer_embedded


What are the changes/differences?
Narrower stance?, Maybe the hands quit a bit now?

HB

1. Lower hands at set up
2. duck feet more
3. steeper shoulder turn and less head movement back
4. left arm closer to shoulder line
5. more hip slant
6. hands deeper
7. more waist bend
8. Left shoulder lower/right shoulder higher longer
9. More pitch elbow
10. handle/butt cap working more low and around
11. spine and hips more extended
12. right shoulder working less vertical and more out.

Buck re 10, if possible can you go more in more depth on his release? Does he still replane it in Finish Swivel?

Ya Bucket. Could you add some detail. I feel as though you rushed through the video comparison.

The "Foley" pattern is sorta a version of the S&T pattern IMO but more open with the shoulders and more cutty...

I see more #3 angle...lower hands...some version of "rotated shoulder turn"....one of the pieces is "no lifting of the arms off the rib cage"....so the left arm and the shoulder line will ideally match at the top....generally they will want to see the "butt on the wall and the head on the wall well thru follow thru"...keeping the torso's "inclination to the ground"...he will likely be trying to have the face "cutting the plane" through out...and the hands and hips tracing "concentric circles"...so you'll see him trying to get the handle low and around....much of the video is centered on where the hands "enter and exit" the torso measured by where the hands and club "cut" the bicep/humerous bone....so they will say the swing is "on plane through out" if all the "entrance and exits" are "mid-bicep"....they will try to have the club and hands exiting well underneath the shoulder with little rotation of the face ....minimal plane shifting....

My critique would be they are overriding the pulley with all that trigger delay and "taking the handle round the corner".

To the swivel question...they don't want none of that.

Wouldn't flail wheat or scythe grass like that.
 

Thanks Bucket .

Id say Tigers swing is not as effortful as before , which I really like. If he's increased distance I don't think its due to brute force. Wonder if he's hitting his driver longer or is it just the irons? That be an indicator of a true power increase.

Im open to different patterns why not? Ill use anything that works. Id go left hand low for a driver shot if it worked better. But I do want to know the why and how etc.

So in that light, I admit to not understanding that Release... Why get to Pitch if you're not going to Release it fully on the other side of the ball with the roll of #3? Talking full power shots here ... everybody holds off some shorter shots. Maybe I should restate this question for clarity .

Can you release fully or attain your comfortable max power potential without replaining the shaft in Finish Swivel? There being implications to the Roll of the #3 Accumulator and potential implications to #2 uncocking rate pre impact if the whole system loses momentum, backs up.

If this sounds like I don't know my CFs vs CP's that'd be absolutely correct.

Some say that vertical swing planes give higher rate of closure of the face in the impact zone (I haven't been able to make my mind on this statement) so maybe the "release low and left" is an anti-hook feature ?

It's true. The more Vertical the Plane, the faster the closing ratio. But that's easily evident if comparing a nine iron to a driver. It's also important, to understand, when playing the ball aft a few inches that the plane must steepen to accommodate the Angle of Approach.

I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem.

Its taken a long time for me to realized the accuracy of this statement.