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innercityteacher 10-23-2012 01:11 PM
More on the Hand Acceleration death ray to feed my computer!

Quote:
The Hand-Controlled Right Shoulder
Originally Posted by rprevost View Post

This quotation suggests that one should begin the downstroke with the pivot and then begin swinging the arms as delivery of the power package. Is this to be understood as one pattern among many, or should this be a part of every pattern? The reason this interests me is that I have finally found consistency and power once I figured out how to accomplish the three imperatives by allowing my pivot to respond to the arm swing, rather than having my pivot drive my arm swing.
Quote:
Yoda's response:
My friend and student, rprevost, is being very 'politically correct' here.

He visited me in The Swamp this past summer, and I taught him to 'keep the right sho
ulder back' (from the Top) and to 'swing the Arms' down and through the ball. He learned a true, Hand-Controlled Pivot and left striping shot-after-shot with many yards added to every drive. Now, here I am stating that the Pivot -- the Body's Rotation -- delivers the loaded Power Package from Start Down into Release. Is there an inconsistency here?

You bet!

And that inconsistency is between 'Feel' and 'Real'.

The BODY is Zone 1 -- PIVOT. It sets up the circular, centrifugal Motion of the Stroke.

The ARMS are Zone 2 -- POWER. Along with the Club, they supply the Force of the Stroke.

In the Start Down and Downstroke, the PIVOT leads and the Arms follow. Not the other way around. Otherwise, the Right Arm must begin its straightening immediately from the Top, and this can only result in Throwaway.

So...

The Pivot consists of the Feet, Knees, Hips and Shoulders. Lower Body and Upper Body. The Lower Body leads and the Upper Body lags.

Pivot Lag (6-C-0; 6-M-1).

When the Right Shoulder stays BACK -- ON PLANE -- as it should in Start Down (7-13), it feels as if it is doing NOTHING. But that is NOT the case! In fact, the Body is moving first -- from the Feet up -- and is actively transferring the Pivot Motion to the Arms and Hands. But that transference is not with a Right Shoulder returning to its Off Plane Address Position (and thus forcing the Hands to follow its ignorant lead). Instead, the Right Shoulder is Turning Down Plane and returning all Pivot and Power Package Components to their pre-selected Impact position. Thus, the Power Package is Delivered Down Plane to Release by the last and farthest moving Component of the Pivot, i.e., the Turning Right Shoulder.

The Arms and Hands feel as though it was their idea all the time.

Which, of course, it was.

innercityteacher 10-23-2012 09:14 PM
More on the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

http://youtu.be/c3kaU1QxHW8


Lot's of interesting stuff here!

ICT

Daryl 10-24-2012 09:07 AM
From your post above......

Quote:
When the Right Shoulder stays BACK -- ON PLANE -- as it should in Start Down (7-13), it feels as if it is doing NOTHING. But that is NOT the case! In fact, the Body is moving first -- from the Feet up -- and is actively transferring the Pivot Motion to the Arms and Hands. But that transference is not with a Right Shoulder returning to its Off Plane Address Position (and thus forcing the Hands to follow its ignorant lead). Instead, the Right Shoulder is Turning Down Plane and returning all Pivot and Power Package Components to their pre-selected Impact position. Thus, the Power Package is Delivered Down Plane to Release by the last and farthest moving Component of the Pivot, i.e., the Turning Right Shoulder.
This is very well said. Is this from Yoda?
Hands controlled Pivot.

Lets add one thing. If you Load the #3 Pressure Point, aim it directly at the Ball, then begin your down-stroke Pivot, you will easily feel your Right Shoulder motion at Start-down. If you allow your Pivot to comply with the #3 Pressure Point, then your Right Shoulder will "Feel" "as if it is doing NOTHING". Otherwise, you will Feel the Right Shoulder moving out above Plane.

innercityteacher 10-24-2012 01:17 PM
Fixed to make it more clear
 
Yoda's response is now in blue and he alone has said that nice description! :salut:

ICT



Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94053)
From your post above......



This is very well said. Is this from Yoda?
Hands controlled Pivot.

Lets add one thing. If you Load the #3 Pressure Point, aim it directly at the Ball, then begin your down-stroke Pivot, you will easily feel your Right Shoulder motion at Start-down. If you allow your Pivot to comply with the #3 Pressure Point, then your Right Shoulder will "Feel" "as if it is doing NOTHING". Otherwise, you will Feel the Right Shoulder moving out above Plane.

innercityteacher 10-24-2012 01:21 PM
It feels like it simply drops down!
 
By having the right elbow put in place by the restriction of the left arm, from Impact Fix, the Power Package feels as if it simply drops down on the ball with a little him bump to give it some momentum or drag load the gyroscope :) .


Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94053)
From your post above......



This is very well said. Is this from Yoda?
Hands controlled Pivot.

Lets add one thing. If you Load the #3 Pressure Point, aim it directly at the Ball, then begin your down-stroke Pivot, you will easily feel your Right Shoulder motion at Start-down. If you allow your Pivot to comply with the #3 Pressure Point, then your Right Shoulder will "Feel" "as if it is doing NOTHING". Otherwise, you will Feel the Right Shoulder moving out above Plane.

Daryl 10-25-2012 07:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94056)
By having the right elbow put in place by the restriction of the left arm, from Impact Fix, the Power Package feels as if it simply drops down on the ball with a little him bump to give it some momentum or drag load the gyroscope :) .
Some random thoughts.

You're feeling the Mechanics of the Power Package. Specifically, the Hand Acceleration Phase of the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. Try to also feel Shoulder Acceleration and Release (Pulley). It sounds like you have the Flying Wedges ALIGNED at Right Angles (very good). Delivery Motion "Feels" Slotted. Hand Acceleration Phase "Feels" like the Power Package is dropping from the Shoulder joints.

Delivery of the Power Package

1-L
7. The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
8. No proportion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.
10. The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).

Quote:
DEFINITION

6-0 GENERAL The Power Package concept isolates and defines the functions of the Hands and Arms in propelling the Clubhead into Impact. The Power Package consists of the Arms and the Club – as discussed herein – and includes the four Power Accumulators, the four Pressure Points, their Loading and the Clubhead Lag. There is no Stroke which does not include a Power Package Assembly and the five-step sequence of their operation – Accumulation, Load, Storage, Delivery and Release.

STRUCTURE

6-A-1 THE TRIANGLE ASSEMBLY The Power Package is basically a Triangle and this form puts it under the Law of the Triangle. The Straight Left Arm forms Side One, the Shoulders form the second Side and a line from the Right Shoulder to Hands forms the Third Side – whether the Right Arm is straight or bent. So the shape of the Triangle can be changed only by changing the length of the Third Side. Also, regarding Structure, study 6-B-1-D and 6-B-3-0-1.

innercityteacher 10-25-2012 02:58 PM
Guess it's time for indoor ranges in MN, WI and IL!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94058)
Some random thoughts.

You're feeling the Mechanics of the Power Package. Specifically, the Hand Acceleration Phase of the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. Try to also feel Shoulder Acceleration and Release (Pulley). It sounds like you have the Flying Wedges ALIGNED at Right Angles (very good). Delivery Motion "Feels" Slotted. Hand Acceleration Phase "Feels" like the Power Package is dropping from the Shoulder joints.

Delivery of the Power Package

1-L
7. The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
8. No proportion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.
10. The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).

To all my friends and fellow TGM'rs: take it easy and be safe during the upcoming storms! SEEK INDOOR RANGES! Unless you are set-up to move to Florida!

:happy3:

ICT

innercityteacher 10-25-2012 10:38 PM
"Riding the "Plane " (forward, down and) out " (with apologies to the tune of "Ridin' the Storm Out).

Ridin' the Plane out
Avoiding the Throw Out
in the shadow of the full sun of a Philadelphia winter
My right arm is low, taking back 90 degrees and slow
Thinking of not missing a thing with my swing


And I'm not missing a swing
Watchin' the ball straight down the range
Ridin' the Plane out
Ridin' the Plane out.

My RFT's beside me, it's there to guide me.
At 90 degrees flying wedges finally found a home.
Water on left is frightening,
But Impact Fix makes the fairway middle inviting
It's a Plane life we live and it gives back what you give.

ICT


The real song!

Songwriters: RICHRATH, GARY
Ridin' the storm out, waitin' for the thaw out
On a full moon night in the rocky mountain winter.
My wine bottle's low, watching for the snow
I've been thinking lately of what I'm missing in the city.
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/reo+spe..._20115772.html ]
And I'm not missing a thing
Watchin' the full moon crossing the range
Ridin' the storm out
Ridin' the storm out.

My lady's beside me, she's there to guide me.
She says that alone we've finally found home.
The wind outside is frightening,
But it's kinder than the lightning life in the city.
It's a hard life to live but it gives back what you give.

Send "Ridin' The Storm Out" Ringtone to your Cell
Ridin' The Storm Out lyrics © EMI Music Publishing

innercityteacher 10-26-2012 12:53 PM
Seeing and feeling the Plane with Acquired Motion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94058)
Some random thoughts.

You're feeling the Mechanics of the Power Package. Specifically, the Hand Acceleration Phase of the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. Try to also feel Shoulder Acceleration and Release (Pulley). It sounds like you have the Flying Wedges ALIGNED at Right Angles (very good). Delivery Motion "Feels" Slotted. Hand Acceleration Phase "Feels" like the Power Package is dropping from the Shoulder joints.

Delivery of the Power Package

1-L
7. The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
8. No proportion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently.
9. Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle.
10. The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).
At Acquired Motion, Daryl, with my wedges set 90 degrees to each other on plane (during swinging) it feels like the swing is over. :) The slightest move left fires the hands to throw at the ball on the baseline of the plane.

But in Hitting there is a covering of the line that runs through the inner quadrant of the ball out to right field. A slight push off or hip bump there makes the elbow to feel like it drops on the line bringing the impact to the inner quadrant of the ball.

Is that the elbow drop feeling you are talking about?

ICT

Daryl 10-26-2012 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94063)
At Acquired Motion, Daryl, with my wedges set 90 degrees to each other on plane (during swinging) it feels like the swing is over. :) The slightest move left fires the hands to throw at the ball on the baseline of the plane.

But in Hitting there is a covering of the line that runs through the inner quadrant of the ball out to right field. A slight push off or hip bump there makes the elbow to feel like it drops on the line bringing the impact to the inner quadrant of the ball.

Is that the elbow drop feeling you are talking about?

ICT
The Curriculum's, are, "Basic Motion", "Acquired Motion", and "Total Motion".

These represent the 3 steps of Acceleration in the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence.

Basic Motion: Teaches Clubhead Acceleration. It's the Right Forearm Angle of Approach that creates the Pulley - Release. You learn that while the Hands move a few inches, that the Clubhead Travels 6 feet. CF Throwout for Swingers, #1 Accumulator for Hitters.

Acquired Motion: Teaches Hand Acceleration. This is bringing the in-tact, undisturbed Power Package into the pulley. This is the swing phase in which the Left Arm is Blasted from the Chest and the Right Elbow and Forearm move together toward the Release Point. Use the Bucket Drill to Learn both "Basic and Acquired" motion. Learn the Straight Line Delivery to the Pulley. This is where it feels like the Power Package Drops from the Shoulders Joints. That's ok while learning. But then you should start "Driving", and then, it will feel like you're Dragging. Drag with your Pivot. Drag the #3 PP into the Pulley, then,,,keep dragging.

Total Motion: Teaches Shoulder Acceleration. This is the Pivot, rapidly accelerating the Right Shoulder - and - Power Package.

Keep these three Phases distinct while mastering. Most useful is learning the Pulley. Then, Hand Acceleration, Then Shoulder Acceleration.

Have you mastered the "Pulley" - Right Forearm Angle of Approach? It Sounds like you are getting better and better. But, I don't think that you're performing Acquired Motion correctly. You Said: "The slightest move left fires the hands to throw" sounds more like "Pulley". If it were Acquired motion then you would say: "it feels like I'm dragging a wet mop".

The Second Stage is the MOST CRITICAL and Important. And, by far, it is the most difficult to learn. Not properly executing the Hand Acceleration Phase causes you to lose Lag Pressure and cause the Clubhead to lead the Shaft into impact. Both Amateur and Professional Hacks swing while poorly executing this phase.

Do Not allow misguided efforts to sidetrack your progress. You're focusing on covering the line or tracing???? No. Learn swinging first. Get that Right Elbow and Forearm AWAY from the Body. Learn to deliver the Hands to the Pulley. Then worry about Plane Line Tracing and Loading to Hit.

innercityteacher 10-26-2012 09:21 PM
Back from the range and bucket practice!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94064)
The Curriculum's, are, "Basic Motion", "Acquired Motion", and "Total Motion".

These represent the 3 steps of Acceleration in the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence.

Basic Motion: Teaches Clubhead Acceleration. It's the Right Forearm Angle of Approach that creates the Pulley - Release. You learn that while the Hands move a few inches, that the Clubhead Travels 6 feet. CF Throwout for Swingers, #1 Accumulator for Hitters.

Acquired Motion: Teaches Hand Acceleration. This is bringing the in-tact, undisturbed Power Package into the pulley. This is the swing phase in which the Left Arm is Blasted from the Chest and the Right Elbow and Forearm move together toward the Release Point. Use the Bucket Drill to Learn both "Basic and Acquired" motion. Learn the Straight Line Delivery to the Pulley. This is where it feels like the Power Package Drops from the Shoulders Joints. That's ok while learning. But then you should start "Driving", and then, it will feel like you're Dragging. Drag with your Pivot. Drag the #3 PP into the Pulley, then,,,keep dragging.

Total Motion: Teaches Shoulder Acceleration. This is the Pivot, rapidly accelerating the Right Shoulder - and - Power Package.

Keep these three Phases distinct while mastering. Most useful is learning the Pulley. Then, Hand Acceleration, Then Shoulder Acceleration.

Have you mastered the "Pulley" - Right Forearm Angle of Approach? It Sounds like you are getting better and better. But, I don't think that you're performing Acquired Motion correctly. You Said: "The slightest move left fires the hands to throw" sounds more like "Pulley". If it were Acquired motion then you would say: "it feels like I'm dragging a wet mop".

The Second Stage is the MOST CRITICAL and Important. And, by far, it is the most difficult to learn. Not properly executing the Hand Acceleration Phase causes you to lose Lag Pressure and cause the Clubhead to lead the Shaft into impact. Both Amateur and Professional Hacks swing while poorly executing this phase.

Do Not allow misguided efforts to sidetrack your progress. You're focusing on covering the line or tracing???? No. Learn swinging first. Get that Right Elbow and Forearm AWAY from the Body. Learn to deliver the Hands to the Pulley. Then worry about Plane Line Tracing and Loading to Hit.

I put a red dot on my right wrist putting my #3 PP aft of the shaft but with the right hand decidedly underneath so the red dot face up or me at my shoulder level. I practiced this beforehand with a large filled bucket of balls Pivoting back and through without spilling a ball. It seemed like I was practicing Acquired motion.

So I took my grip, extended my right arm and traced the base line of the plane until the right arm stopped it felt miles away from me, and then I Pivoted. :laughing1

So simple, the hands felt to zip down to the ball and crack! Experimented with stance width to see ball flights and trajectories ball back was a nice penetrating flight and ball forward produced higher fades. It was fun not worrying about my hands and programming everything in advance. After awhile, It felt like I was setting my right hand on my shoulder palm-up, leaving it there, and taking a short step left to bang the ball! Very simple. Thanks D!

More work to do!

ICT

Daryl 10-27-2012 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94067)
So I took my grip, extended my right arm and traced the base line of the plane until the right arm stopped it felt miles away from me, and then I Pivoted.
ICT
I'm sure you remember that we discussed Two ways to bend (Cock) the Right Elbow and Raise the Right Arm during the Backstroke (after the Take-away and Start-up). One way is so that the Hitter can Load the Primary Lever and One way is so that the Swinger can Load the Secondary Lever. It's pretty simple. "Magic of the Right Forearm."

Here's the Big Deal: End of Backstroke for a Swinger practicing Acquired Motion occurs when the Right Forearm becomes Parallel to the Ground. THE CLUBSHAFT is also Parallel to the ground. About Chest High.

Where is the Right Elbow? It's Away from the Body. The distance depends on the Swing Plane Angle. Shorter Clubs will have the Elbow closer than Longer Clubs.

During the Hand Acceleration Phase, the Right Elbow and #3 PP travel the same distance, 1:1 ratio. During the Clubhead Acceleration Phase, the Ratio between the #3 PP and Clubhead is 1:5 (zero #3 Acc) and can be as high as 1:50 (Snap Release with a Driver Length Club).

It's easy to get the Pulley working correctly. Acquired Motion is to make sure that you get the Straight Line of Hand Acceleration Correct. Anyone who holds the Right Elbow Close to their Torso "Skips" the Hand Acceleration Phase of the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence and will not bring a Lagging Clubhead into Impact.

innercityteacher 10-27-2012 06:17 PM
Finding the Endless Pulley and liking it!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94069)
I'm sure you remember that we discussed Two ways to bend (Cock) the Right Elbow and Raise the Right Arm during the Backstroke (after the Take-away and Start-up). One way is so that the Hitter can Load the Primary Lever and One way is so that the Swinger can Load the Secondary Lever. It's pretty simple. "Magic of the Right Forearm."

Here's the Big Deal: End of Backstroke for a Swinger practicing Acquired Motion occurs when the Right Forearm becomes Parallel to the Ground. THE CLUBSHAFT is also Parallel to the ground. About Chest High.

Where is the Right Elbow? It's Away from the Body. The distance depends on the Swing Plane Angle. Shorter Clubs will have the Elbow closer than Longer Clubs.

During the Hand Acceleration Phase, the Right Elbow and #3 PP travel the same distance, 1:1 ratio. During the Clubhead Acceleration Phase, the Ratio between the #3 PP and Clubhead is 1:5 (zero #3 Acc) and can be as high as 1:50 (Snap Release with a Driver Length Club).

It's easy to get the Pulley working correctly. Acquired Motion is to make sure that you get the Straight Line of Hand Acceleration Correct. Anyone who holds the Right Elbow Close to their Torso "Skips" the Hand Acceleration Phase of the Downstroke Acceleration Sequence and will not bring a Lagging Clubhead into Impact.
Right dots, alignment sticks, bucket, wide stance, Basic Motion oh, a small pulley! :) Extensor Action, RFT to stretch the left arm parallel to the ground the right hand and left arm feels to STAY PERFECTLY STILL AND A SLIGHT BUMP WORKS THE PULLEY WITH SPEED! The lefty facing me asked me if I ever missed as my shots were at or near the center targets for the whole large bucket.

The problem is that I saw a guy at the range a week ago hitting like that and crushing the ball! It seemed like his hand never moved but he crushed the ball!

So my question is : Is my puny 150 yard 7 iron or 220 yard drive, down the middle with range balls on a 60 degree day a result of not holding my grip loosely enough or not applying PP# 3 correctly or not hitting more with my Pivot and right shoulder or my 54 year old slow turning? Or is it a result of only going to Acquired Motion with non-custom clubs?

I have realized Daryl why you say that it will no longer take 5 holes and 30 shots to warm up! The RFT to left arm straight is like laying the club right on the plane and firing! Obviously ball position and the right shafts make a difference! Catching my 8 degree SMT regular shaft on the upswing made the ball really change the flight and distance if I kept My frame still and stance was wide. I did hit the ball further with a softer shaft with high kick point.

Anyway, I am quite pleased Daryl with knowing the "Endless Pulley" and how to set up so regularly on plane. :thumright

It is amazing to me how important the RIGHT FOREARM ANGLE OF APPROACH is to basic setup and the entire stroke! :read: It seems to me that the waggle is sort of a preview of Impact Fix, a preview of Acquired Motion, and a preview of the Pivot! :headbang: \\:D/

And, this feels just like the correct strikes I made with Lynn!

ICT

Daryl 10-27-2012 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94072)
So my question is : Is my puny 150 yard 7 iron or 220 yard drive, down the middle with range balls on a 60 degree day a result of not holding my grip loosely enough or not applying PP# 3 correctly or not hitting more with my Pivot and right shoulder or my 54 year old slow turning? Or is it a result of only going to Acquired Motion with non-custom clubs?

ICT

LOL... 54 is middle in "Golf Life Span" years.

If your 7 Iron has 150 Yards air travel, your Drive should be 260. You're probably not strong enough to hit the Drive farther (yet). And you're probably standing too far from the ball (That slows everything Down and reduces Mass). Or, 100 other reasons.

innercityteacher 10-27-2012 09:22 PM
Keep you posted!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94073)
LOL... 54 is middle in "Golf Life Span" years.

If your 7 Iron has 150 Yards air travel, your Drive should be 260. You're probably not strong enough to hit the Drive farther (yet). And you're probably standing too far from the ball (That slows everything Down and reduces Mass). Or, 100 other reasons.
More Work to do, with Sandy's cooperation! :laughing9


ICT

innercityteacher 10-28-2012 06:41 PM
"I feel the need, the need for speed."
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94074)
More Work to do, with Sandy's cooperation! :laughing9


ICT
Maybe I am losing power and speed in Hand Acceleration because I am pulling so hard? I've begun to research "Hand Acceleration."

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=23940&highlight=hand+acceleration #post23940

Quote:
Daryl
Senior Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,235
When swinging, I'm still amazed at the acceleration of the club head without muscular effort. And the difference between sweep release and snap release is quite perceptible though the difference in ground speed may only be a few MPH. Only recently, I admit, I've come to understand that applying even the slightest muscular force to the club shaft will hamper the acceleration produced by CF. Specifically, the point at which I would begin to apply muscular effort is the point at which CF acceleration alone stops. What surprises me most is when the hands pass the line of sight to the ball the club head seems to pick up tremendous speed. All of this without perceived effort and without hand acceleration. Horizontal Hinging with CF is quite the combination.

This has eluded me for many years. A lot of components in my swing have had to change. Plane line tracing became easy and almost natural.

CF is a powerful force. I don't have the knowledge to debate CF, but I do have the knowledge to harness it. Call the force whatever you want. HK chose CF and I've come to understand what he meant. And, my Golfing is much the better for it.
So the next time I'm on the range, I'll go to Acquired Motion with Extensor action, dragging my hands horizontally, not lifting and then simply step left. everything about this game is so counter-intuitive that I would not be shocked to discover how less effort creates more speed. :eyes:

ICT

Daryl 10-28-2012 07:40 PM
Wow, that was a long time ago.

But, it still amazes me. Once the Hand Acceleration Phase (Straight Line Delivery Path) passes onto Clubhead Acceleration (Pulley), Impact is still a long way away.

Daryl 10-28-2012 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94074)
More Work to do, with Sandy's cooperation! :laughing9
ICT
Not to worry...POTUS is taking a breather from the Campaign Trail to save you from "Sandy". He'll take command in the "Situation Room" where he'll watch the storm unfold on you in "real Time". He'll certainly hear your cry for help.

When you see the "drones", waive a flag.

innercityteacher 10-28-2012 11:38 PM
Sheesh! I'd better declare for for the Muslim Brotherhood
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94077)
Not to worry...POTUS is taking a breather from the Campaign Trail to save you from "Sandy". He'll take command in the "Situation Room" where he'll watch the storm unfold on you in "real Time". He'll certainly hear your cry for help.

When you see the "drones", waive a flag.
...Normally I wouldn't you see but with POTUS, a partial Jew would be totally ignored so if I say I'm with the MB, I might get a message of support anyway. :confused1 On second thought, I'd rather that guy ignore me! :laughing9

ICT

innercityteacher 10-28-2012 11:46 PM
chapter 8 of TGM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94067)
I put a red dot on my right wrist putting my #3 PP aft of the shaft but with the right hand decidedly underneath so the red dot face up or me at my shoulder level. I practiced this beforehand with a large filled bucket of balls Pivoting back and through without spilling a ball. It seemed like I was practicing Acquired motion.

So I took my grip, extended my right arm and traced the base line of the plane until the right arm stopped it felt miles away from me, and then I Pivoted. :laughing1

So simple, the hands felt to zip down to the ball and crack! Experimented with stance width to see ball flights and trajectories ball back was a nice penetrating flight and ball forward produced higher fades. It was fun not worrying about my hands and programming everything in advance. After awhile, It felt like I was setting my right hand on my shoulder palm-up, leaving it there, and taking a short step left to bang the ball! Very simple. Thanks D!

More work to do!

ICT
Hips, shoulders and Hand Acceleration, D, as you said! :) I think I'm slowing my acceleration by trying to pull with my left hand instead of lagging the club or RFT'ing and trusting the Pivot!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17517&highlight=hand+acceleration #post17517



Quote:
drewitgolf
Lynn Blake Certified Senior Instructor

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,321
Originally Posted by rwh
Mr. Kelley identified four separate, sequenced periods of acceleration in Chapter Eight. In order, the chain is #1, Shoulder Acceleration (Start Down); #2, Hand Acceleration (Downstroke to Hands approximately at the Right Thigh); #3, Clubhead Acceleration (Release -- Hands go from Right Thigh to Impact); and, #4, Ball Acceleration (Impact).

On your own, You learned that the turning shoulders must start your Acceleration Train -- not your arms or hands. Properly subordinated, your arms and hands won't get out of sequence and you will have all the "connection" you need.
Excellent response. Chapter 8 often gets overlooked from the aspect of Acceleration and it's four stages .
__________________
Drew

Let Your Motion Make the Shot.

innercityteacher 10-31-2012 12:06 PM
No fish in my driveway after Sandy but..
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94080)
Hips, shoulders and Hand Acceleration, D, as you said! :) I think I'm slowing my acceleration by trying to pull with my left hand instead of lagging the club or RFT'ing and trusting the Pivot!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17517&highlight=hand+acceleration #post17517
There was massive damage to NJ and NY because of Hurricane Sandy as I'm sure everyone has seen on the news. Thoughts, prayers,funds and blood donations to the Red Cross for their important work in helping so many!

Amazing how Obama could be so aware of that storm but unaware and helpless while brave former seals called for American help to protect the US Ambassador in Libya! :naughty: :confused1

Maybe there is a bit of a parallel here with the Right Forearm Angle of Approach! When I RFT correctly, my left arm stops my right arm from turning anymore. The only thing to do then is bump and drop the whole Power Package down to a correct impact.
Likewise (stretching here)when our leaders on the left stop us from doing the right thing(like saving those soldiers and the Ambassador), maybe we should drop our Power Package of voting on Obama and hit his administration with a one-way ticket into permanent retirement! :)

Did I mention it was a stretch? :laughing9

ICT

innercityteacher 10-31-2012 12:15 PM
Swingers and Hand Acceleration related to RFAOA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94085)
There was massive damage to NJ and NY because of Hurricane Sandy as I'm sure everyone has seen on the news. Thoughts, prayers,funds and blood donations to the Red Cross for their important work in helping so many!

Amazing how Obama could be so aware of that storm but unaware and helpless while brave former seals called for American help to protect the US Ambassador in Libya! :naughty: :confused1

Maybe there is a bit of a parallel here with the Right Forearm Angle of Approach! When I RFT correctly, my left arm stops my right arm from turning anymore. The only thing to do then is bump and drop the whole Power Package down to a correct impact.
Likewise (stretching here)when our leaders on the left stop us from doing the right thing(like saving those soldiers and the Ambassador), maybe we should drop our Power Package of voting on Obama and hit his administration with a one-way ticket into permanent retirement! :)

Did I mention it was a stretch? :laughing9

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Tracing the breadcrumbs back to swinging and the correct way to use or launch the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (RFAOA) I found this gem by EDZ:


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The Swinger's method of Acceleration vs. the Hitter's is where the answer to your query lies.
Be aware that 'quick startdown' in a swinger's case does not mean 'quick hands', but is a function of the pivot train moving from the feet up through the body at startdown - at its quickest producing snap loading via quick knee motion/hip action.
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innercityteacher 10-31-2012 12:22 PM
More on Acceleration for Swingers and Hitters
 
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Tracing the breadcrumbs back to swinging and the correct way to use or launch the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (RFAOA) I found this gem by EDZ:




Quick Pivot = Quick hips, shoulders and hand acceleration!

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This quote came from 12 Piece:

You're observations are on point.

1. The Hitter's Startdown is SLOW for a reason. As a result of being total dependent on alignments, structure and the muscle power of the Right Tricep his max hands speed is achieved LATER because he doesn't have CF to help him. The Hitter must accelerate and drive ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE AIMING POINT. If the Hitter's Startdown is too quick he achieves his hand speed too soon.

On the other hand the Swinger is dependent upon CF rather than trying to stifle it. His max hand speed is reached much quicker and then CF just does its work. That is why he is dependent on a QUICK Startdown.

2. Also keep in mind the Pivot is PARALLEL to the Delivery Line selected. Hitters have the Angle of Approach Delivery Line available to them. This is a Cross Line procedure "out to right field." As a result, the Hip Motion is Cross Line rather than On-Line. The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

As a result the Startdown Waggles will look different due to the differences in the Delivery Lines.

I can't speak for Yoda . . . but if I had to guess he traces the Straight Plane Line in BOTH his Hitting and Swinging procedures . . . and therefore the startdowns will look somewhat similar as a result of the Delivery Lines being the same.

Just a guess though.

I got the 4th at work. I thought this was illustrative . . . this passage didn't make it forward for some reason but this is from 10-19-0 in the 4th:

Drive Loading Rhythm is Muscular Acceleration - the same Lag Pressure in both directions with steadily increasing Handspeed.

Drag Loading Rhythm is "Centrifugal Acceleration" - the same Handspeed in both directions.



Here's another couple of interesting ones from the 4th that didn't move forward . . . .

10-19-A DRIVE LOADING . . . Drive Loading is the "Axe Handle" technique - an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against the Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. . . Clubhead Throwaway here is usually due to over-acceleration.

10-19-C DRAG LOADING . . . Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own orbit. Then further acceleration will only cause uncontrolled "Hitting," guaranteeing Clubhead Throwaway.

Develop an "Instant Acceleration" Hip Action (to the desired Handspeed per 10-15-B so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke Sequence.

So the nature of Acceleration is VITAL to the sucess and distinction of the two procedures. The Swinger reaches his max handspeed quickly and then holds it constant. HE MUST NOT TRY TO ACCELERATE HIS HANDS FURTHER!!! On the other hand the Hitter MUST CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE otherwise he will fizzle out pre-maturely. The Hitter is sole dependent on ACCELERATION because he doesn't have CF to help him out.
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This is my next investigation as to my wobbles:
The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

When I slide is it parallel to the Plane Line? I will have to dope that out!

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innercityteacher 10-31-2012 12:34 PM
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This is my next investigation as to my wobbles:
The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

When I slide is it parallel to the Plane Line? I will have to dope that out!

ICT

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I would like to agree with you, but I can't. Just because Yoda traces a straight plane line, doesn't mean that his hip's slide parallel to the Plane line. The delivery path waggle that Yoda demonstrated in the original Jeff Hull Acquired Motion video was far smoother than Jeff Hull's hip thrust, but it still resulted in a far more open hip position at impact, than Ted's model. If you look at Jeff Hull and Ted Fort at impact fix in Part 1 of the Lynn Blake/Ted Fort/Jeff Hull video, you will see a clear demonstration of how much more open Jeff Hull is at impact fix, compared to Ted Fort. I am willing to bet that Yoda at impact fix looks like Jeff at impact fix, not like Ted.
I PROMISE you that if Lynn Blake is tracing the Geometric Plane Line (not the Angle of Approach or Arc of Approach) his Startdown Hip Motion IS PARALLEL to the Plane Line.

You are correct that the Fix Alignments are different with regards to the Hips for Jeff vs. Ted. You will also note in the video that Jeff is using the Arc of Approach Procedure (watching the curved blur of the clubhead) as a result of the Parallel Pivot (parallel to the delivery line), his Hip Motion is more of a TURN or ROTARY. Ted on the other hand is using the pivot as a backstop. He also uses the Angle of Approach which is a cross line slide not a turn. As a result his hips will probably look "less" open at fix and impact.

Per 7-12 . . .

ALL motion – Pivot and Power Package – moves parallel to the selected Delivery Line. That is, prior to the Downstroke Turn, a Slide parallel with either the Angle of Approach or the Plane line per 2-J-3.

So at Impact Yoda could look more like Jeff because he traces the straight plane line and not the angle of approach. His hips slide is On Line not Cross Line and would like produce hips that are "more open."
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So, I can go cross plane or parallel plane as a Swinger using the Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach. This is why Hogan bent his plane line, I think. :read:

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innercityteacher 11-01-2012 01:15 PM
Sweet Spot on Plane? Brilliant!
 
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12 Piece's Response and I'm in danger of being confused:





So, I can go cross plane or parallel plane as a Swinger using the Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach. This is why Hogan bent his plane line, I think. :read:

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So how does a swinger get to hit the ball better, farther, where desired more often?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=72058&highlight=club+speed#post72 058

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2-K GENERATION OF ANGULAR MOTION Angular Motion is the result of at least two divergent forces. Such as, -A. Centripetal Force (the Lever Assemblies 6-A) diverting Linear Force (Right Arm Thrust 6-B-1) into a rotating motion (Hitting 10-19-A). Or – B. Turning its axis (the Body 2-M-4) to spin a flywheel – the Lever Assemblies (Swinging 10-19-C).

Rotation induces a Throw-Out action, pulling the centers of gravity of every movable component, In-Line and On Plane with its axis or center, whether or not they were originally In-Line or On Plane. With a short radius it can accelerate easily, and quickly acquire considerable Angular Velocity. If a portion of this mass moves to a longer radius, the slowing effect (6-C-2-B) must be computed on the basis of the total mass AS LONG AS THE PORTION IS BEING PROPELLED BY THE TOTAL. That is – the slowdown would be in the same ratio that the portion has to the whole – the original central mass. This “Transfer of Momentum” process (10-19-C) eliminates Release Deceleration (6-F-0) but not Impact Deceleration (2-M-1). This Throw-Out action is termed herein as “Centrifugal Acceleration” to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Golf Club) into Impact. So Swingers are totally dependent on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not. But study 4-D, 6-B-3-0, 6-R-0 and 7-2.

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Most of the above concerns "Transfer of Momentum". HK isolates T-O-M from ones "ability to manipulate CF" in order to conceptualize the effects of T-O-M. But T-O-M isn't your primary problem but it is a part of the answer to your question.

Another part of the answer is the proper manipulation of CF.

When you swing the 1/2 shaft (no clubhead?), the Sweet-spot Plane and Swing Plane are one and the same but when you put a club in your hands, they aren't. In your case (like most everyone) the Sweet-spot Plane of your Club, during the Downstroke, is not on the Swing-plane. So, you are pushing or pulling the Clubshaft and not the Sweet-spot, therefore, CF is being avoided and Clubhead speed is mostly a factor of your muscular effort or ability in applying it.

If you want to be a "Closet Hitter", then no problem. Simply learn to use your right triceps muscle. But if you would prefer to remain a swinger, then you'll need to get the Sweet-spot on-plane and allow CF to have its effect.

I'm assuming that you understand the Sweet-spot Plane and how to manipulate it onto the Swing-plane before release. If not, then say so and I'll give you a timely, albeit vapid response (but with pictures ).
More research and range balls needed!

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innercityteacher 11-01-2012 01:25 PM
Sheesh this is complicated!
 
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So how does a swinger get to hit the ball better, farther, where desired more often?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=72058&highlight=club+speed#post72 058






More research and range balls needed!

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OK, now we have got some real work to do!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=club+speed


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Single Wrist Action promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Primary Lever and Standard Wrist Action (Swivel) promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Secondary Lever.

For Swingers, the Start-up Swivels 1/4 Turn Rotation is a simplified approach and promotes the #3 PP Load against the Secondary Lever for any Length Stroke going past Start-up. "Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action" does not mean that the Rotation occurred at the "Top".

The difference between "Top" and "End" is related to Wrist Action. With 10-18-C, Single Wrist Action, moving from Top to End would re-align the Right Forearm (1/4 Turn) and therefore re-locate the Right Elbow (1/4 Turn) with the result that the Secondary Lever would Load against the #3 PP. So, we can Swivel at Start-up or Swivel merely by moving the Backstroke from "Top" to "End". Note that each of the three procedures in 10-18-C stop the Backstroke at "Top".

The Important difference between Loading the #3 PP against the Primary or Secondary Lever is the "Subsequent Right Arm Participation". 7-3

So, the "Top" for a Hitter is an Alignment rather than a Location.



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10-11-0-3 PRESSURE POINT #3 (above) can be either active or passive (6-C-2-A) Accumulator #1 indirect drive (7-11) of the Secondary Lever Assembly (6-A-3) (2-K). That is, actively as Accumulator #2 Axe Handle application for Hitting (10-3-K, 10-19-A) but passively as Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0, 10-19-C) or with a Right Arm Swing (7-19). Lag Loading (10-19) and Delivery Line (2-J-3) requirements. It is Loaded (10-22) per 7-19 as required by Component 19 application being employed (10-19). Study 2-G and 6-C.

Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), just and only because of Loading Action direction – no actual movement of anything. So from The Top to Release, the Loading put the top side of the Clubshaft against the first knuckle of the forefinger. But with Hitting there must be NO change whatever.

When the Wrists “Swivel” back to the Vertical Position (4-C-3) during Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) per 6-B-3. Pressure Point #3 may – but need not – return to its “strong” position (Aft side of the Clubshaft). That is – if left in “Top-of-the-Clubshaft” position it becomes a Weak Single Action Grip (10-2-A) and the interchangeable equivalent to 10-2-C for Swingers. But both are improper for Hitters using Single Wrist Action (10-18-C).
You can't fake this stuff. One can artificially Load the #3 PP but the Alignments aren't present to determine the Motion of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Then there's EA. Without EA, it's like watching a girl throw a baseball (or O.B Left). Once the #3 PP is Loaded, you need EA to keep the Elbow aligned(Power Package) and guide it down the Proper Path.
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innercityteacher 11-01-2012 01:29 PM
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OK, now we have got some real work to do!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=club+speed



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It may not be difficult for everyone, but for me, it was a stroke of luck that I learned how not to Cock the Right Wrist during the Swing.

I was hitting hundreds and hundreds of chip shots per night for weeks, a bunch of winters ago. My trajectory control was not good. I tried swinging with only the right arm but my wrist was too flimsy. So, I used an Ace Bandage and wrapped my wrist (and the club) in the Bent Right Wrist condition. Problem solved.

I graduated to using the Ace Bandage with a Bent spoon to stiffen the Right Wrist even more. Eventually I bought a Gary Wiren "the key" for my Right Wrist. For the first time in my life I could feel the "Right Forearm Flying Wedge". Now, those words had meaning.

To make a long story short, I learned that my Right Wrist was Cocking because of the way I was Swinging. Restraining my Bent Right Wrist forced me to use the Right Forearm Take-Away and assemble the Wedges Immediately at Start-up. It also stopped my over-swinging at the Top of the Backstroke.

All of those learned Alignments (mechanics) have since turned into "feel". I still use it once a month to check myself and I consider it the best training tool I ever bought. Today, when I direct my #3 Pressure Point along the Plane Line or at the Inside Aft Quadrant of the Ball, then that's exactly where my Club Head is going.
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innercityteacher 11-01-2012 03:10 PM
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2486-2.html


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In the photos of 10-2-B you can see quite clearly a gap between the thumb and 1st finger. This is how you can have the left thumb aft and the wrist truely flat against the vertical plane your hinge action requires.... or at least closer to it....

I'll have a look at the book at the weak single action grip later on to answer as im not so familiar with the specific variation... how I wish I had Yoda's capacity for remembering everything...


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Mathew,

Let me correct myself in saying that Traditional Teaching methods want the forefinger and thumb to pinch together ala Ben Hogan. I must agree with you in observing the photos that there is a space between the forefinger and left thumb. I thought perhaps that this was an oversight. However the photos also illustrate that there is a difference in the abount of left hand turn between a weak left hand and strong left hand.

If a space is allowed between the forefinger and thumb on the left hand in a weak single action grip, then how does one resolve the "seems like a problem" left thumb not seating perfect with the grip(ie. thumb pad not in complete contact with the grip). If I turn my left hand like the photo of the strong single action the thumb seats fine. Does it matter?
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Firstly thank you for your praise .

My procedure for aquired and total motion is a swinging procedure - 10-2-B Grip, Horizontal Hinging. The swinging procedure nessesitates a sequenced release per law of the flail in 2-K. My Basic Motion however is a push basic hitting stroke with angled Hinging.

I have played around with the hitting procedure with some success but in retrospect, at the time I did, my knowledge was lacking.
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What I have gleaned from this with Daryl's help (and shown to me by Lynn) is that my grip has to be very careful and deliberate with my right hand very underneath in feeling and a bit above my left thumb. At the time Lynn showed me It was so odd it just scrambled my brain and it took me forever to grasp it. I have not grasped it yet and am trying to work back to it. When I exaggerate my right wrist bend, I hit the ball very well, with the shortest, most powerful feeling Pivot since being with Lynn and that will be where I try to re-assemble a better swing this Winter and early Spring.

Sorry for the confusion, I am learning and applying...

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innercityteacher 11-02-2012 12:32 PM
The correct grip forming the true Right Forearm Angle of Approach seems to set my club on plane but higher or closer to my shoulder with the # 3 PP on the Sweet Spot Plane so there is less deflection of the club face at impact. As a result, the club face thrust penetrates the ball at the inner quadrant resulting in a more penetrating flight. My Pivot seems more powerful and shorter with the club face sliding quickly down plane to impact. It seems as if I actually Pivot "through" the ball. My shorter left leg seems to require a more open face of the Horizontal Hinge so I can strike the ball with full power producing a straight shot or a slight draw. Very satisfying! Thanks Daryl and LBG!

ICT

innercityteacher 11-02-2012 02:36 PM
Not quite as Daryl described to me but a very helpful article for me in envisioning the importance of grips in alignment issues:

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/grip.htm

Enjoy!


I am not skilled enough yet to judge the merit of these observations. I include them simply as a new way to think of TGM with detailed pictures. I am not advocating these observations, just enjoying their presentation as something to consider.

ICT

Daryl 11-02-2012 10:37 PM
Compare the Video below to the blowhard sniveling swiveling video in your post above. (I mean that with the utmost respect).

This was discovered by Homer Kelley. The Right Forearm Angle of Approach. Phil has re-named it the "Hinge and Hold". Geek? He then, obviously traces the Angle of Approach at Impact to Finish.

Watch the red dots.

So, using the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, and, adding Layback to the Horizontal Hinge by Tracing the Clubhead Angle of Approach (thus, an Angled Hinge Action) has helped Phil make a few more bucks.

As he says: "There is only one way to chip", ya Phil, but it's called the Right Forearm Angle of Approach and "Hinge Action". Don't listen to his "Hands Acceleration" Tip because it will eventually lead to Chipping "YIPS". Drag the Clubhead. The Pulley ensures clubhead acceleration.

Keep the Right Wrist Bent (and Level) through Impact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Dev...ature=youtu.be

innercityteacher 11-03-2012 12:05 AM
Red Dots AND HORIZONTAL HINGES W/LAYBACK ARE FOREVER!
 
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Compare the Video below to the blowhard sniveling swiveling video in your post above. (I mean that with the utmost respect).

This was discovered by Homer Kelley. The Right Forearm Angle of Approach. Phil has re-named it the "Hinge and Hold". Geek? He then, obviously traces the Angle of Approach at Impact to Finish.

Watch the red dots.

So, using the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, and, adding Layback to the Horizontal Hinge by Tracing the Clubhead Angle of Approach (thus, an Angled Hinge Action) has helped Phil make a few more bucks.

As he says: "There is only one way to chip", ya Phil, but it's called the Right Forearm Angle of Approach and "Hinge Action". Don't listen to his "Hands Acceleration" Tip because it will eventually lead to Chipping "YIPS". Drag the Clubhead. The Pulley ensures clubhead acceleration.

Keep the Right Wrist Bent (and Level) through Impact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Dev...ature=youtu.be
All is well on the non-Sandy effected Eastern Front! :) I got to the range today after working to 7pm each night for two glorious hours of 46 degree practice!

Place my dots on my hands, correctly assembled my short thumb, snuff box to the right of center of the shaft laid the # 3 PP dead aft of the shaft so that the # 3 PP and left thumb are aft of the shaft. RFT with layback for chips for a good 30 minutes and the short chips jumped off the face higher and further than before!

Acquired Motion- Right Forearm at 90 degrees to the Face of the Plan and pretended I was Zach Johnson sliding down the Plastic Plane! Even in the colder weather the 8 irons were flying straight and dropping between 140 and 145. My 9.5 degree Adams Redline Driver sailed well past the 200 yard marker AND IT WAS STILL CLIMBING OUT OF SIGHT! :dance:

The shots seem to keep climbing and then just drop from the sky. Here's a question though. When my RFT is at my shoulder and laid back, full Extensor Action, it seems I have a choice. When I leave my Right Forearm Flying Wedge at my shoulder (proper ball position and width) and Pivot like I'm hitting the ball with my shoulder, I get a very high Horizontal Hinge with a slight 10 yard draw and the ball seems to have two acceleration phases which is way cool! When I decide to leave my right arm stretched all the way straight behind me, and simply let the left vertical wrist un-cock down the face of the plane I get a very straight ball or a fade depending on my ball position and width of stance.


Both shots demand that I watch Impact till the ball is away and man does that ball explode! Are both Swings? :iamwithst Both have Pivots and man, there seems to be no end to the accuracy and almost no end to the power!

Thanks Daryl, very cool!

ICT

Daryl 11-03-2012 09:46 AM
If Pennsylvania goes Democrat, and you hit a perfect shot, then you'll be required to share that with the less skilled and fortunate players. Either by a Fee (1 stroke penalty) or a Tax (take 20 yards off your Drives and give them to your opponent).

If you consistently out perform your competitors, then they get to play from the forward tees (regulations). Because, you didn't "Build It" in that "You" can only be a winner if "others" are losers. So, they should share in your good fortune.

Rules will be strictly enforced:
  1. Better Players get Late Tee Times
  2. Better Players have limited practice time and only on Mondays
  3. If you are Winning at the Turn, automatic 3 stroke penalty.
  4. If you win money, it will be divided equally among the other Players
  5. You will pay a 50% tax on Golf Balls.

KevCarter 11-04-2012 12:18 PM
Love to see Daryl posting. It feels like home again!!!

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innercityteacher 11-04-2012 05:46 PM
Hey Kevin!
 
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Love to see Daryl posting. It feels like home again!!!

:salut: :golf: :salut: :golf: :salut:

Kevin
Nice to see you too! With a better economy we hope, maybe we can all meet at your place?! How far is the nearest major airport to you?


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innercityteacher 11-05-2012 01:07 PM
Bullets in the Sky!
 
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Nice to see you too! With a better economy we hope, maybe we can all meet at your place?! How far is the nearest major airport to you?


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Just enjoying the Horizontal Hinge now that I can dependably envision and maybe reproduce it in high, medium or low trajectories! :laughing9

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56102&highlight=horizontal+Hinge# post56102

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missed that first part, Jim. What did you say? Oh! I hear you now!

1-L #4 -- The Hinge Assembly controls the Clubface alignment!

You are right!

But then you say, it does not control the Clubface alignment, and Yodais confused. The Clubface's circular, horizontal ('closing' only) motionis the direct and inevitable result of the identical motion of thehorizontal blade rotating about its vertical pin. If this is notcontrolling the Clubface alignment throughout the motion, then what is?

And surely you did not mean that the Clubface should stay 'square' to the Line,did you? Because if so, that would be Steering, the No. 1 Snare in theGame -- attempting to hold the Clubface square to the Line of Flight. And welearned in Lesson One that you cannot make the blade of a hinge move in astraight line. It only moves in a circle!

Remember, in G.O.L.F. we are dealing with a Force moving in a circle --the Clubhead Orbit (2-N-0). And because you measure the circumference of acircle in terms of angles from its center, we call that force Angular Force.Force moving in a straight line -- like a pool stick through a cue ball-- is Linear Force. The problem we have in golf is to produce thesame effect as a Linear Force -- a point of contact between Ball andClubface that remains welded until separation -- while our Clubheadforce is moving in a circle. And the way you do that is through this HorizontalMotion of the Clubface through Impact.

At Impact a Line of Compression (2-C-0) is constructed through the Ball-- like a bullet hole through a baseball. This is a Linear Force.Now, if we can keep that point of contact -- the Compression Point, fromslipping on the Face, then we will have 'sustained' the Line of Compression.This maintains the Linear Force in relation to the Ball, eventhough the Ball has now joined the Orbiting Clubface in its circular,centrifugal journey.

The is the goal of every Golfing Machine: To sustain the Linear Line ofCompression as the Orbiting Clubhead is Arcing through Impact. And itall begins here with an understanding of the horizontal motion the Clubfacemust make through Impact. Then we must train our Flat Left Wrist to reproduceits motion on demand.

So, the Horizontal Hinge Assembly is producing a pure 'opening and closing'-- ONLY! -- Motion of the Clubface. THERE IS NO LAYBACK! If Impactoccurred with the Clubface in the 'slightly Open' alignment, and if separation(of Ball and Clubface) occurred with the Clubface Square to the target line,then the result would be a perfectly Straight Shot and Maximum Compression.

The 'Closing Only' Motion produces the Ideal Application of Linear Force(2-C-1) because the Angled Clubshaft and the Closing Clubface are rotatingabout the same center. Thus, there is no glancing force (except forbackspin). This 'Closing Only' Motion of the hinge blade produces the exactsame motion in the Clubface. And because the Clubface does not Lay Back, thetrue loft of the Club is maintained throughout the Impact Interval.Further, since there is no 'tilting under' of the Clubface, the Ball andFace stay welded, and the Compression Point -- the 'point of contact'between Club and Ball -- is maintained until they separate.

Hinges whose blades duplicate the remaining two planes of motion -- verticaland angled -- do Lay Back, and this causes the Clubface to made anidentical 'Layback' motion through Impact. With Vertical Hinging -- the'Layback Only' Cut Shot (2-C-2) -- as in Horizontal Hinging with its 'ClosingOnly' Motion -- the Point (and Line) of Compression is sustained. However, theLayback of the Clubface effectively increases the Clubface Loft and thereforeproduces higher, softer Shots than the Ideal Application of the HorizontalHinge. This characteristic Ball Flight may be exactly what the player intendsto produce -- out of a greenside bunker, for example. On the other hand, it isdoubtful the player would deliberately employ this technique off the tee of along Par Four!

The Lob Shot (2-C-3) is the Low Point application of 'Layback Only.'This results in a 'tilting under' of the Clubface through the Ball and a totalloss of the Compression Point. This loss of the original contact point istermed 'Compression Leakage,' and in this application produces the LobShot, the high no-spin floater. This is the Shot Mr. Mickelson oftenuses greenside, but again, has probably never used off the tee.

The Angled Hinge also results in Compression Leakage. Here, we have on and Slicing tendency. There are compensations for this deficiency, but the Angled Hinge application of Linear Force remains inferior to the pure 2-C-1 Ideal Application of the Horizontal Hinge.

So, the Hinge Assembly does indeed control the Club face alignment, and tomorrow we will re-orient the hinge pin to see exactly how that occurs.
I'll be back tomorrow to complete our 'mechanical' stuff. Then we'll get on to educating our Flat and Vertical Left Wrist to duplicate the Three Planes of Motion on the face of one Inclined Plane.
By maintaining my right wrist looking AT THE SKY as deeply as possible in my swing I get a very, very high draw! I hit a shot at the range the other day. 50 degrees or so outside, with a 12 degree driver, Cleveland 270, and the ball was about 20 stories high as it rose over the 200 yard marker still looking for an apex! :) I was shocked! So I did it again! My 9.5 degree Adams red-line was only about 10 stories high while still looking for the apex at 200. :laughing1

The irons keep going up until the just drop out of the sky! so cool!:whistle:

ICT

KevCarter 11-05-2012 01:19 PM
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Nice to see you too! With a better economy we hope, maybe we can all meet at your place?! How far is the nearest major airport to you?


Pat
I would love for you guys to come up. Unfortunately, MSP is the closest airport, but that would be perfect for you and Jerry to make the drive up together. The best bet for Daryl would probably be to drive. Probably a little over 5 hours, but an easy drive. We could all go to Chicago as well...

Kevin

innercityteacher 11-05-2012 01:26 PM
OHHHHH! Baby!
 
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Just enjoying the Horizontal Hinge now that I can dependably envision and maybe reproduce it in high, medium or low trajectories! :laughing9

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56102&highlight=horizontal+Hinge# post56102

To Wit Yoda Said:


By maintaining my right wrist looking AT THE SKY as deeply as possible in my swing I get a very, very high draw! I hit a shot at the range the other day. 50 degrees or so outside, with a 12 degree driver, Cleveland 270, and the ball was about 20 stories high as it rose over the 200 yard marker still looking for an apex! :) I was shocked! So I did it again! My 9.5 degree Adams red-line was only about 10 stories high while still looking for the apex at 200. :laughing1

The irons keep going up until the just drop out of the sky! so cool!:whistle:

ICT

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56173&highlight=horizontal+Hinge# post56173


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Underhand Pitch, Motion and Feel

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Shift your Body into its Impact Fix Alignments.

Keeping your Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact -- that means Right Wrist Bent and dowel parallel to the floor (or ground) -- move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Backstroke by Bending your Right Elbow.



Yoda,

When I take my stance with the impact fix alignments is my back at an incline, or do I stand straight up? And is the bending and straightening of the elbow along the line the right forearm makes on the horizontal plane?

I'm afraid that I'm not getting this part icon_redface.gif


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For purposes of the drill on the Horizontal Plane, stand erect. But...be surethat you are your Weight is left and that your Hips and Shoulders are Open.This will allow you to move the Right Forearm Flying Wedge back and throughfreely. When you transfer the drill to the Inclined Plane of Motion, imitatethe pictures in 9-1-1 #2 and #3 for Waist Bend / Spine Angle.

Also, remember that the entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- the Right Elbow,the Forearm, the Bent Right Wrist, the No. 3 Pressure Point andthe Rigid Extension, i. e., the dowel -- will remain on the HorizontalPlane throughout. The Big Deal is to set the Right Wrist in a Rigid Bent RightWrist Condition and then hold it throughout the 'Backstroke' and'Throughstroke.'





DivotDelite wrote:

Hi:

I understand for swingers, the left wrist action controls the clubhead, and the left hands controls closing and opening of the clubface. With dual horizontal hinging 10-10-D and standard wrist action 10-18-A. the left wrist uncocks and rolls through impact, and the left hand hinges horizontally to close the clubface.

My question is what is the right forearm and wrist doing? I had always assumed that the right wrist was rolling to match what the left hand and forearm was doing. This is common instruction on websites and books.

A wrist throw trigger 10-20-E says "the Right Hand remains palm-up to the Plane during the Uncocking of the Left Wrist to produce a sequenced release per 2-G and 4-D-0." In order to keep the flying wedge assembly and to keep the left wrist flat and uncocking, and to keep the right wrist bent and the right palm face up to the plane, the wrist has to turn??

For the past year, my right wrist had been rolling through impact. Could never understand the underhand pitching motion that was described doing it that way. But if I turn my right wrist on the downstroke and through impact, then it feels like an underhand pitching motion. AM i completely off base? I couldn't find a section in the Yellow Book which describes what the right wrist is doing through release and impact except for one sentence in 10-20-E, but it was a bit vague.


Thanks

Yoda said:

Your first three analytical paragraphs are absolutely correct. You have doneyour homework and are to be congratulated for being 'on the money.'

You have accurately described the pure Swinging Motion. It features a TurnedLeft Wrist on the Backstroke; a 'Karate Chop' Uncocking Left Wrist fom the Top;a Swiveling Left Wrist from Release into Impact; the Full Roll Feel of LeftHand Horizontal Hinge Action to the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight); andfinally, the Left Wrist Swivel into the Finish. The Left Wrist is The Lordof the Grip, and therefore, as you have correctly observed, the RightWrist is a complement to these Left Wrist Actions. See the UsefulCombinations 5-A/B/C/D.

So, you don't feel "Underhand Pitch Motion and Feel' doing all thatTurning, Cocking, On Plane Karate Chopping, Uncocking, Swiveling, Rolling andSwiveling again?? I bring glad tidings...

Who would?

Nobody!

The 'Underhand Pitch' part of the Pure Swing -- which concentrates on the LeftWrist Action described above -- just ain't there!

Unless, of course, you can somehow sense the Feel of the Full Roll ofHorizontal Hinge Action -- which is a 'No Roll' Feel on its own HorizontalPlane -- as an Underhand Pitch. But I seriously doubt you or anyone else can,because the fact is that it Feels like a Full Roll on the Angled Plane ofMotion.

So, where's the disconnect between what you are able to Feel and what Homer isdescribing in 2-N-0? Here's the key:

You must focus on your Right Forearm Flying Wedge (6-B-3-0-1). When youdo, you will see that its On Plane Right Forearm and its Bent RightWrist and its No. 3 Pressure Point and its Rigid ClubshaftExtension moves through Impact as a Paddlewheel (6-B-1-0). Thestraightening of the Right Elbow -- under the command of the Left Arm CheckreinAction -- powers, guides and regulates the No. 3 Accumulator (Left Forearm andClubshaft Angle) and with it the Clubhead Closing through Impact.

Even though the Left Wrist precisely aligns the Swinger's Clubface forHorizontal Hinging, the Paddlewheel Action of the Right Forearm is there.Per 4-D-0, the Swinger concentrates on Wrist Action and the Hitterconcentrates on Hand Action. If you want to sense Underhand Pitch,Motion and Feel, you must focus on Right Arm and Frozen Bent Right WristPaddlewheel Action, not the Swinger's Uncocking, Swiveling and Rolling LeftWrist Action.

Here's how to do that:

Get your Sand Wedge (or, better yet, a wooden dowel you can buy in any hardwarestore [48" X 1/4" diameter]). Grip it with your Right Hand only (inits normal positon on the Shaft). Go to Fix. Body shifted Left and PivotZeroed out. Right Wrist Bent with Shaft leaning forward ('againstthe Ball'). Now, keeping your Right Wrist Bent, take the Club up with a BendingRight Elbow and Magical Right Forearm Takeaway (7-3). Go no further Backthan Right Forearm Level to the ground (Acquired Motion 12-5-2). Better yet, stopat Basic Motion, two feet back per 12-5-1. Then, go through no further thanknee high (12-5-1 or waist high (12-5-2).

Check your Right Wrist. It has Flattened, right? Well, it should not have! Itshould still be Bent! Do this one-arm drill over and over again untilyou can go from your initial Fix position Bent Right Wrist to the Topto the end of the Follow-Through with your Right Wrist still Bent.Hit the first fifty Balls in your next five practice sessions with just yourRight Arm Flying Wedge. No more than about 20-25 yards. That's all! No GoldStars for distance! Gold Stars for finishing with a Bent Right Wrist at the endof your Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position). In other words, per4-D-1, you must learn to Straighten your Right Arm without Flattening yourRight Wrist. Practice also with your dowel on the Horizontal Plane per mypost last night ('Keeping You Busy') in the Five Steps To A Magical RightForearm Flying Wedge thread. As you learn to do this, you will suddenlyfind that you Feel...

Right Arm Underhand Pitch, Motion and Feel.

Congratulations!

You are becoming a G.O.L.F.er!
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innercityteacher 11-08-2012 12:38 AM
My new favorite alignment video
 
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This is my new favorite visual depiction of the 90 degree angle of the right forearm to the plane at Hitters Top and Swinger's Acquired Motion and End

http://youtu.be/GjvxevgmwJ4

It is so cool to feel the right forearm with right wrist up on takeaway to Acquired Motion, leaving it up with Extensor Action at the shoulder and using the Pivot for a Horizontal Hinge from the shoulder!

ICT

Daryl 11-08-2012 05:47 AM
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It is so cool to feel the right forearm with right wrist up on takeaway to Acquired Motion, leaving it up with Extensor Action at the shoulder and using the Pivot for a Horizontal Hinge from the shoulder!

ICT
Have you had time to review videos (in slo-mo) to confirm that all good ball strikers have their flying wedges aligned at impact to 90 degrees?


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