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innercityteacher 09-30-2012 01:08 PM

Manipulated hands Swinging for fun.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 93937)
Which procedure feels like "yours" ? Which one gives the fewest "bad days" ?

Pre-set the right shoulder with Impact Fix, Angle Hinge, Left Hip slightly open, no change in the Impact Fix positions as I RFT to the low right shoulder, flat left wrist, bump left and drive the right shoulder and PP # 3 to the inside quadrant of the ball, straight down the rooftop into the ground and through to both arms straight! One club more than the advertised distance shooting over trouble and get the putts to the hole 1 foot past! :golf:

Bent right wrist feel to extend well past front leg.


ICT

innercityteacher 10-01-2012 01:04 PM

Homers Notes
Homers notes
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread1425.html

Originally Posted by Vikram View Post
Hi People, Just retreived an excerpt from Chucks original forum.

Enjoy and embibe the note of Mr Kelley.

As posted by Chuck in the original forum:

Homers notes:

Homer Notes

These were taken off a series of audio tapes with Mr. Kelley conducting an AI class. This post is fairly long but I think everyone will enjoy.

NOTES FROM HOMER'S AUDIO TAPES

Homer states on these tapes that all of the research is now complete with the printing of the 7th Edition.

Feel no concern for the PERFECT STROKE. There are trillions of
precision patterns with totally correct alignments and relationships, perfect for some application or preference.

Pivot components should ideally match Delivery Lines with either "ARC" or "ANGLE" of Approach procedures. Starting any other way leaves the Delivery Line to the right of the target line -- in other words, outside in.

Downstroke Hip Motion is always parallel to the Delivery Line.

Downswing using Arc of Approach -- swinging -- "wheel rim" -- visual arc procedure, starts with Hip Slide parallel to base of Inclined Plane.

Downswing using Angle of Approach -- hitting -- "wheel spoke" -
straight line procedure, starts with Hip Slide to inside aft quadrant
of ball.

The amount of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the more subtle the slide is. The more upright the plane the more pronounced the slide.

In the Geometry of the Circle the only thing that is not a straight line is the circumference. Everything else is straight, chords, tangents, radius, diameter, plane. Etc.]There must be a constant center and a constant radius. The proper geometrical relationship of the circle to the line must be established to produce a workable procedure for applying a circular force to a ball so as to produce the same reaction as that produced by a linear force.

The Right Forearm indicates Plane Angle and must stay on Plane in the backstroke then down Plane either on "ARC" or "ANGLE" of Approach. The MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM dictates that the forearm traces the plane during the backstroke then traces the delivery line and visually parallel to the approach angle on the downstroke. There is also a "feel" of the right forearm "pick up" on the backstroke with extensor action. The Right Forearm cannot become on Plane until the Right Elbow becomes on Plane. The minute the right elbow gets off plane the forearm also leaves the plane. The left arm is almost useless except as accumulator #4 in pivot strokes. The release comes as the left arm leaves the chest.

Ball position is relative to the Plane and determines the actual Angle of Approach of the clubhead. Farther back for flatter, forward for upright. Ball position is also dependent on the design of the golf club and the individual.

Always strike the ball before full extension of the lever assemblies.

The Basis of Rhythm - Left arm and clubshaft in line according to the Hinge Action. Swivel of the left wrist must not exceed Vertical to the plane at Impact. The alignment of the clubface is the result of Hinge Action.


1. Grip
2. Aim clubface at target.
3. Use railroad track procedure to align the Machine.
4. Ball location -- always right of low point. Low point is outside
edge of left arm.
5. Practice swing.
6. Check Impact Fix -- Apply Extensor Action throughout stroke.
7. Shoulders turn just enough to keep the club on plane.
8. Hip Slide starts the down swing.
9. Power Package must move together through Impact.
10. Impact alignments must match Impact Fix.

Release Motions are not part of the stroke components. There are (2) motions -- Uncocking and Rolling. Swinging with a Horizontal Hinge the roll comes AFTER the uncocking! With Hitting with an Angled Hinge Uncocking and Rolling happen at the same time. Swingers and Hitters both drive the sweet spot at the inside aft quadrant of the ball on an Angle of Approach! Release motions -- uncocking and rolling -- are sequenced for swinging and simultaneous for hitting.

Compression Leakage is the result of off-center Impact, a misaligned clubface. The ball will always leave at a right angle to the clubface. The ball has to have backspin to create the Venturi effect.

Educated Hands are those that can feel the resistance of motion --
CLUBHEAD lag. If the #3 pressure point is lost then "LAG" can not be sustained. The hands must control the pivot! Have the #3 pressure point completely replace the CLUBHEAD, take #3 to the ball. The heart and soul of G.O.L.F. Is developing a swing based on the hands. Teach Hinge Action without Body Motion.

RECOMMENDED INSTRUCTION PROCEDURES

BEGINNERS: Basics -- (Samenesses)
Basics -- chapters' 2,7,8,9,14.

Beginners: The following simplified approach includes only the most basic Components. These alone can produce a fine game and is the solid foundation for a full course.

Use a strong single grip with a Punch Basic Stroke. A Turned Shoulder Plane and a single Pressure Point combination ( #3), with Zero Wrist Action, ( Hands remain in Impact Fix position throughout the Stroke (no Turning or Rolling) and with Drive Loading.

INTERMEDIATE, ADVANCED: Variations -- (Differences)
Variations -- chapters' 10,11.

FORMAT FOR AUTHORIZED INSTRUCTOR TRAINING

Basic Curriculum -- 3.5 days -- Swinging
Intermediate -- 3 days -- Hitting and review of Swinging
Advanced -- 3 days -- combination of Swinging and Hitting 90% of
training done outside.

Instructor leads student through the test by covering each question and the answers. This takes approximately 5-6 days with about 10 hours daily.

Read preface and chapters' 1,2,3, reference number by reference number. Make sure students understand the process of learning on chapter 3. Then go to chapter 4 and 5 -- hand and wrist positions.
Chapter 6 -- lecture showing accumulators -- read from the book with no club.
Chapter 7 -- lecture covering the 24 components.
Chapter 8 -- show the separation of the stroke and the 12 sections.
Chapter 9 -- Actual lesson going through the 3 zones. Show these
before swinging the club. Zone #1 -- without a club. Zone #2 -- short strokes with Accumulator # 1 only, no wristcock. Zone # 3 -- watch for steering, drive club at ball -- downplane.

Hand Action controls Hinge Action. Rhythm is the basis of Hinge
Action. Angled and Horizontal Hinging BOTH swivel through to plane and to finish. With swinging the swivel happens between "release" and Impact. Hitting, no swivel at this interval. Differences in Hinge feel -- Horizontal -- roll, Angled -- no roll, Vertical -- reverse roll. Wrist Action -- happens prior to Release. Hinge Action -- happens during Impact. Swivel Action -- happens between the two.

There are (4) acceleration periods:
1. Start Down -- Shoulder Acceleration.
2. Downstroke -- Hand Acceleration.
3. Release -- Clubhead Acceleration.
4. Impact and Separation -- Ball Acceleration.

BENT PLANE LINES are those that are either outside in or inside out. Impact must be inside out but unless the CLUBHEAD crosses the base of the Inclined Plane it is NOT an inside out stroke.

NOTES FROM HOMER:

1. Keep your body ahead of your hands and your hands ahead of the club.
2. Effort is not power.
3. Hitting is pushing and swinging is pulling.
4. Goal: A one piece total swing.
5. Improve one step at a time, start with the pivot.
6. Laws enforce themselves.
7. To be consistent, you must apply extensor action.
8. The swing is circular but the check points and references are
straight lines.
9. The magic of the right forearm: Cocking the left wrist without
cocking the right by bending the right elbow.
10. 1/16 of an inch of bend adds one ounce of effective mass.
11. On plane right shoulder -- feel as you hit the ball with the right
elbow.

12. The second axis tilt gets the right shoulder on plane, feel the
club coming out of the center of your back.

13. Learn alignment golf not position golf.
14. You feel alignments not positions.
15. Learn where the right forearm is at all times.
16. Let law do it -- Law: Never takes a day off.
Never gets tired.
Does not care who you are.
Always available.
17. "Cause and effect" - Should be "cause and means". Find the means or way to utilize the laws.
18. Let the left arm BLAST off the chest after it moves on your chest in the back Swing.
19. Body brings full club on the ball.
20. Know the difference between address and Impact.
21. Learn full swing at slow speed.
22. I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it.

Endless Belt - The change of the clubhead from Linear motion to Angular Motion. The clubhead and belt (hands) travel at exactly the same speed, however there are (2) different surface speeds between the pulley and the clubhead. The belt (hands) speed never changes but the clubhead speed increases as it goes around the pulley. The hands act as the belt they must not speed up, slow down, or become jerky. The hands do not change speed during the release. The smaller the pulley the slower you can swing. The later the delay the slower the hand speed. The faster you swing the harder it is to keep the club from flying out.

Law of the Flail -- Centrifugal Acceleration, Centrifugal Momentum, and Centrifugal Deceleration.

The Physics of Rotation - The body acts like a rotor. Any rotating
mass will make every effort to move on plane and on line. You must tilt the axis in the downstroke to bring the shoulder down plane. I.e.; leave the head still and move the bottom of the spine to create the 2nd axis tilt, sliding the hips.

The Flying Wedges - The Left arm and Right Forearm are the primary agents of the Flying Wedges. The Left Wrist is always vertical and flat. The Right Wrist is always level and bent. Both are open to rotation.

Putting stroke -- You must go to the both arms straight position, or at least straighten the right arm. If the right arm stays bent the putt will miss to the right, a push. Arm Action Only Putting gives Maximum Alignment Control. With a completely motionless Body use a Push Basic Stroke. Hinge Action control of Clubface Alignment is far more important than Clubhead Path and it must be monitored through the Hands - never directly. Never deviate from the MOTION of the Pattern so that Lag Pressure (for distance) can get full attention. Absolute Zero Wrist Motion is imperative!

Hula Hula - This flexibility allows the right forearm to remain on
plane and keeps the shoulder motion and hip motion independent. Keep these (2) separate.

Hip Action - The hip action turns the shoulders in various

combinations. But leading the backstroke with hip action is Pivot
controlled Hands. Hip action is work and must be controlled.

Hip turn -- The hip turn allows action but does not perform action. It is a product of knee and hip bend. All hip turns shift weight.

Knee Action - Proper knee action allows the second Axis Tilt. The hips will not slide if the legs are straight. If you straighten the left
leg at Impact the left hip comes upward, then the club comes upward -- straightening up on the ball -- Compression Leakage. The knees must stay flexed, through Impact, to allow the Downward Motion of the 3 -- Dimensional Impact. The proper amount of knee flex is determined at Impact Fix. There must be enough to allow the Right Hip to clear and the Right Forearm to point at the Plane. Knee flex also determines the amount of Hip Slide. The less bend the more restricted the Pivot and Hip Slide will be in both directions -- the more upright the Plane tends to be. Head position is also determined by Impact Fix.

The Basis of one swing is Basic Geometry.

The flexibility of THE GOLFING MACHINE are the use of variations. Any variation that is not listed is under the "X" classification. If you use this classification the component must fit within the parameters listed in the catalog. In other words, if it is not in the book, do not use it!

Bent Right Wrist -- If the Right Wrist flattens it disrupts Rhythm. So for every degree of loss, of the Bent Right Wrist, so does the clubhead want to be throwwn away. The swing should be shortened until you can come thru the ball with maximum Thrust and Acceleration.

When training Zones # 2 and 3, do so without a Pivot.

Zone #2 - Its primarly directive is power but the fringe benefit is
accuracy.

Pivot, Zone #1 - Always work on Zone #1 first -- components 12-17. This Zone provides throw out power just like a rotor. For the Swinger this acts like a launching pad. For the Hitter it is the back-up system for the Right Arm. Both must be properly sequenced. By varying the Pivot motion you vary the Plane Angle. Less motion -- steeper Plane, more motion -- flatter Plane. The shoulders job is to correlate and syncronize the Pivot and the Power train. The Practice Swing is a full rehearsal of the Pivot components, especially the Hips and Shoulders. A sharp Backstroke Turn, a Downstroke Hip Slide only, (before the Arm Motion begins) encourages "On Plane" Pivot alignments.
So its - Turn, Slide, Swing. The important thing is that the true
Swing Center for all components is a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground precisely between the feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time !

Zone # 3 - The path of the Hands, the motion of the Clubshaft, and the Alignment of the Clubface. Use Zone # 3 to apply force to the Ball to produce the proper response of the Ball.


Pigeon Holes - The 24 components are the "holes" and everything has its "slot" or place.

The Catalog - The foundation of the catalog are the 24 points in the swing where each item can be executed in more than one way. Therefore the 24 components.

Double Wristcock -- The bending of the Left Wrist at the top of the
stroke in addition to the Wristcock. The bending of the Left Wrist
puts the clubface in an "open" position. But, if the same Bent
position is taken at Impact Fix it is very "closed". From this Top
position the Wrists would have to be Turning - rotating clockwise -
during the Downstroke to achieve the correct clubface alignment. This is the exact opposite of what should be happening, and produces the exact opposite result. Disaster!


Impact - This is the point where Clubhead Lag is in its greatest
jeopardy. Keeping the Head behind the ball is not the complete
solution. You must keep the head and the Ball behind the hands. Their essential relationship is with the Hands - more than with each other.


Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm
Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of
the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder. It is merely Right Arm Powered. But - if the center of the Clubhead Arc is at the Right Elbow, then it is a true Right Arm Stroke, the Bat. Right Arm thrust can add considerable yardage for an out and out Swinger, provided its tendency toward Angled Hinging is recognized
. Pivot Thrust can add about half as much increase in yardage for an out and out Hitter provided its tendency toward Horizontal Hinging is recognized.

Shoulder Turn - The shoulders turn only enough to keep the Hands and club on Plane.

With Zero #3 Accumulator you always have an Angled Hinge, Rhythm, and Travel.

Minor Basic Strokes - Are all based on Arm Motions not the Hands, even with Zero Pivot. These Strokes are used in combination with Major Basic Strokes. Major Basic Strokes are determined by the Right Elbow position.

Scooping - Is an element of Steering and it is this Below Plane dip of the clubhead - not dropping the Right Shoulder - that produces most of the "fat" Impacts into the turf behind the Ball.

Plane Line Equivalents - Although the Base Line of the Inclined Plane is the true geometrical Plane Line it is not the only Delivery
Reference Line available. Actually there are three straight, and one
curved, completely equivalent visual (what the eye beholds) reference lines for guiding the Clubhead into Impact during specific Delivery prodecures. That is, it is practically mandatory to always use - IN BOTH DIRECTIONS - the following combinations for Procedures and Visual Lines:

1. The visual "True Arc" Delivery Line and the orbiting Clubhead with the Circle Path Delivery.
2. The visual "Angle of Approach" Delivery Line with Drag Loading
(Swinging).
3. The basic "Aiming Point" Delivery Line with Drive Loading (Hitting).
4. The "Left Arm Swing" Plane Delivery Line with the Flip Release.

The term "Delivery Path" is the Hands only. The term "Delivery Line" is the Clubhead only.

With the "Angle of Approach" Delivery, Momentum carries the Clubhead "Above Plane" after Impact - the "Arc of Approach" tends to hold it "On Plane". Check this out completely. All this is a "Last Ditch" effort to generate the On Plane Inside-Out Impact - because unless you do learn it NOTHING ELSE MATTERS - OR WORKS!

Lag Loading - Drive Loading calls for the Angle of Approach procedure which requires:

1. Pre-turned Hips at the Takeaway.
2. A sliding Downstroke body motion (lateral Hip slide toward the
inside aft quadrant of the Ball).
3. A Line Delivery Path.
4. The Right Forearm tracing the Angle of Approach (Cross-Line motion).

Drag Loading calls for the Arc of Approach procedure which requires:

1. Delayed Hip Action
2. A rotating Downstroke body motion (lateral, parallel to the Delivery Line, then rotational Hip movement parallel to the base of the Inclined Plane).
3. A Circle Delivery Path.
4. The Right Forearm tracing the Arc of Approach (On Line motion).

Reversing the above natural groupings is not recommended but neither would be difficult. And the Right Forearm - NOT THE CLUBSHAFT - in both groupings has the alternative of tracing the true Plane Line instead of their Delivery Line.

Aiming Point - At the Top of the Backstroke - even at the End -
mentally construct a line from the Hands to the Aiming Point. Let a
careful Downstroke Pivot move the Hands precisely along this line
they will "feel" as though they remain at the top of the Stroke. Don't question that Feel - just sustain (monitor) it, all ready for Release at the preselected Release Point. Drive the Hands (Clubhead Feel) "down the line" until both arms are straight, NO QUITTING! This procedure merely utilizes a long used method for drawing freehand straight lines between two points. Using the Clubshaft as the pencil is an effective equivalent.

Punch Basic Stroke - This is almost exclusively a Hitting procedure and Hip Control is a must during Pivot Strokes for Right Elbow location control.
Pitch Basic Stroke - Elbow Position is not so dependent on Hip Motion or location. Hand speed can be much higher, the Pivot more effortless and Triggering more delayed for minimum Accumulator #2 Release Interval.

Elbow Basic Plane Angle - Normally, the Right Forearm will be moving at right angles to the torso - which are the unexcelled alignments for Right Arm Power and On Plane "Throw Out" action. The Elbow Plane is normally a Pivot Controlled Stroke.


#3 Power Accumulator - Maximum Power - Bring a Turned (instead of Vertical) Wrist to the Release Point, greatly increasing the Lag and combining the resulting Wrist Roll with the drive of the Clubhead Lag Loading. Delaying this Rolling Release so that it becomes a smooth continuation of the #2 Accumulator Release is superior to their simultaneous Release.

Maximum Trigger Delay - Hold the Right Hand "palm up" until the last instant and using either Downstroke Lag Loading or Drag Loading procedure with a Snap or Flip Release. A Left Hand version is an On Plane Flat Left Wrist "Karate Chop" at the Aiming Point with the edge of the Left Hand.

#4 Power Accumulator - Maximum Trigger Delay - Use either the Standard or the Delayed Pivot to increase the Lag of the Downstroke Shoulder Turn to discourage any tendency toward an Arm Swing by either inactivating the muscles of the Left Shoulder or by temporarily overpowering them with the Thrust of the Shoudler Turn.

Muscle Power - Power Package Muscle Power is ideally 95% Right Triceps. The Right Triceps and Pectoral can handle the muscle requirements of the Downstroke and need no help from those on the left, whose feeble contribution makes any such thing as a true Left Arm Power source pretty much a myth!


Posted by Vikram

innercityteacher 10-03-2012 08:41 PM

Aiming point from PP # 3 at the top of the stroke to the inside quadrant or hitting with the right elbow.

Homers Notes
Homers notes
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread1425.html


Quote:

Aiming Point - At the Top of the Backstroke - even at the End -
mentally construct a line from the Hands to the Aiming Point. Let a
careful Downstroke Pivot move the Hands precisely along this line
they will "feel" as though they remain at the top of the Stroke. Don't question that Feel - just sustain (monitor) it, all ready for Release at the preselected Release Point. Drive the Hands (Clubhead Feel) "down the line" until both arms are straight, NO QUITTING! This procedure merely utilizes a long used method for drawing freehand straight lines between two points. Using the Clubshaft as the pencil is an effective equivalent.


With an Angle Hinge set-up and the feeling of turning my back to the ball almost the same as RFT, Extensor Action via the right elbow on plane, right shoulder drives the # 3 PP to the inside quadrant or any Aim Point and the strike is fast and smooth producing a good drive with a slight fade. Longer clubs are closed a bit producing a straighter and more penetrating flight.

Back up is the right elbow feeling to hit the ball, very dependable.

Quote:

#3 Power Accumulator - Maximum Power - Bring a Turned (instead of Vertical) Wrist to the Release Point, greatly increasing the Lag and combining the resulting Wrist Roll with the drive of the Clubhead Lag Loading. Delaying this Rolling Release so that it becomes a smooth continuation of the #2 Accumulator Release is superior to their simultaneous Release.

Maximum Trigger Delay - Hold the Right Hand "palm up" until the last instant and using either Downstroke Lag Loading or Drag Loading procedure with a Snap or Flip Release. A Left Hand version is an On Plane Flat Left Wrist "Karate Chop" at the Aiming Point with the edge of the Left Hand.

#4 Power Accumulator - Maximum Trigger Delay - Use either the Standard or the Delayed Pivot to increase the Lag of the Downstroke Shoulder Turn to discourage any tendency toward an Arm Swing by either inactivating the muscles of the Left Shoulder or by temporarily overpowering them with the Thrust of the Shoudler Turn.
These feelings are all present in the above described actions. Note to self!

innercityteacher 10-05-2012 01:21 PM

Feet outside shoulders/ball starts from front shoulder!

Level left wrist right elbow on plane/full shoulder turn/pivot and drive #3 pp with shoulder.

Note to self for club championships-a slight fade when in doubt!

innercityteacher 10-06-2012 09:25 PM

ICT's Lemonade Stand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 93965)
Feet outside shoulders/ball starts from front shoulder!

Level left wrist right elbow on plane/full shoulder turn/pivot and drive #3 pp with shoulder.

Note to self for club championships-a slight fade when in doubt!

How could I learn so much in a round of golf, enjoy it so much, and shoot a 94? :shock:

Last night, doing 11pm research on the LBG.com, I realized why I was not able to shoot 76 or 77 as I did earlier, really! :)

I had forgotten about Covering the Line! &D: Completely forgotten about it. :redface:


Sure enough, at 6:30 am, as the sun was coming up, I could see my Hogan Edges, Taylor Made Hybrids and Cleveland Driver, respond to my Angle Hinge and Pivot Covering the Line like Obama responds to people on food stamps! :king:

Everything worked! Everything! Keeping my feet outside my shoulders let me line up the ball of my front logo and I was hitting high flying fish hooks with everything. :golf:

Our greens were like glass and I was five over until I forgot to slide a 6 iron back in my stance and hit a perfectly straight ball to the right of a green waiting for a draw that never came! :(

In order to play out of the plugged lie in the rough, I had to hit down on the chip and eventually took a 7. One more bogey and I was 9 over for 44. Back nine was no worries! :laughing9

Par, Par, bogey, bogey. Wind was howling and I snapped a drive losing the base-line covering. No worries. Perfect 2 hybrid within 70 yards of the green in the rough. But instead of my taking a bogey and going on, one of my competitors identified my ball and I goofed by not checking it. :naughty:

He had pulled the same trick twice in the round( "This is your ball here it is a Titleist!-No, my ball has a blue straight aiming line!") but I ascribed his missed calls to simple mistakes! I hit to the green and checked the ball before putting my fourth. I wondered why he was smiling as I started to look down. I started to speak to call the penalty. Then I knew he had been trying to do this all round! &B:

By the time I had gotten back to my ball (pressed down in the grass as if run over by a cart, it was I'm sure!) I had carded a 9 ! (+16 for the round). Meanwhile, that competitor suddenly went from not having a clue to making everything in sight! :liar:

I bogeyed a short par 3 then tripled on a par four, bogeyed , then doubled. The harder I tried to fight it the worst it got. I missed the cut by 6 strokes. The other guy made it by one having birdied one hole and paring all the rest.. :mad:


Lemonade :golf:

Angle Hinge, Elbow drive, straight shots or draws Covering the line on purpose, don't go above shoulder height for the wrist rolls over (you moron) and don't loose focus. Verify your ball always. Just because the club championship is a small thing to you does not mean that others will not do all they can to win it!!! :sad2:

I hit so many very good shots today and feel like I can control my ball so well again! Off on Monday for the local Monday game and Columbus day. Sunday is the senior championship where I will have the chance to do it again. I will be ready!

:occasion:

On top of it, the guy claimed on his card my score was a 104 ! A simple addition solved that! A cold front is coming through tonight making a wet cold mess of the morning. I will be toasty warm in bed. Perhaps my new "friend" will have a large tree fall on his golf bag or perhaps encounter a sinkhole as he lines up a putt!


ICT

innercityteacher 10-07-2012 12:21 AM

ICT's Favorite Lemonade Recipe

http://youtu.be/c3C1__L5usM

http://youtu.be/HYfOw_7jCTA

innercityteacher 10-14-2012 09:10 PM

87 in senior championship. Simple stroke-RFT to shoulder or shorter (feeling) and hit the ball with my right elbow extending the forearm straight through the ball, actually feels like I'm rolling the elbow at the ball.

Chips cost me 10 strokes.


ICT

innercityteacher 10-17-2012 12:14 AM

transfer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 93986)
87 in senior championship. Simple stroke-RFT to shoulder or shorter (feeling) and hit the ball with my right elbow extending the forearm straight through the ball, actually feels like I'm rolling the elbow at the ball.

Chips cost me 10 strokes.


ICT


Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 93996)
That's correct - the right shoulder does move, but it does not spin and that's the big difference between Hitting and Swinging. It moves because the right triceps pushes both the left shoulder and left arm, which are inert. If the right shoulder acts as a backstop and the left arm and shoulder are inert, just how else could the left arm/shoulder be driven out?

Yes it can, but only when Swinging or 4-barrel Hitting.

Not so far, because you don't have anything to Hit against!

Homer doesn't seem to be saying that to me, because it wouldn't make sense.

If the moderator will allow us to move this to my "Learning and ...with a disability, " that might make sense.

ICT

innercityteacher 10-17-2012 12:28 AM

4 barrel Hitting with Clarity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 93998)
If the moderator will allow us to move this to my "Learning and ...with a disability, " that might make sense.

ICT

I'm not apologizing for my investigations of any pattern in the book. I simply feel like i am a "manipulated hands" swinger/hitter due to my lack of a normal physique.

So I have lost 16 lbs. and my best golf is done when I step on my left heel and roll my right elbow as far forward as possible causing my shoulder to come way down and my right forearm and bent right wrist to drive through the ball turning it into a marsh-mellow that goes a long way.

Those are my feels. Check this out from Lynn:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56345&highlight=right+elbow#post5 6345


Quote:

Below is an email from a frustratedG.O.L.F.er and my reply.

Yoda,

Aaaarrrrggggghhh. I hate days like this. Round 1 of a 2 day event and I waslost as an easter egg. Had a couple of good range sessions this week working onthe swivel and staying behind the ball (I have a tendency to lean into itsometimes). Did some TGM studying during the week (book and the forum), butfelt so frustrated on the course today. Hit a lot of not-so-solid iron shots,several drives that flared right, and a couple of marginal chips. The putterwasn't my friend either. Finally on 18 I made myself focus on #1 PP thru impact(this is after hitting another weak drive), and hit a nice high solid rescueclub to the middle of green from 230 out. Shot 80 and pretty much took myself outof any chance of placing in the event, but need to use tomorrows round as achance to work on the swing "on the course". Not sure why I'mburdening you with all this bad news, but I guess I wanted to get a quick inputfrom "the man" before tomorrows round. What might be the reason thata swinger would feel the need to focus on PP#1 in order to get the bestresults? Obviously my swinging procedure must not be very precise, but I don'tquite know what piece of the puzzle could be causing the problem. I realizeit's probably impossible to analyze via email, but any suggestions areappreciated. -- Hank


Hank,

As a Swinger, your Adjusted Address (8-3) probably finds your Hands in theirmid-body location and your Left Wrist Bent. That is good.

Unfortunately, most of your Impacts today closely replicated those samealignments. That is not good.

Instead, they should have replicated your Impact Fix alignments (8-2;2-J-1). At Impact, per 7-8, your Hands will be visually covering your LeftToe and nowhere near the Ball. This one difference separates Pro and Hacker.Without exception. So, you have to figure out a way to get those Hands intoa much more "forward" position at Impact.

I suspect that the #1 Pressure Point Thrust that you added on your last shot helpedyou to do that. However, it is not the ideal way because, as a Swinger your #1Pressure Point should be passively funneling the Right Shoulder TurnThrust (per 6-B-4-A) that is driving the #4 Power Accumulator (the Angle formedbetween the Left Arm and the Left Shoulder (6-B-4-0), not activelydriving the #1 Power Accumulator (6-B-1-0) through its associated PressurePoint (6-C-1-#1)

However, I suspect that exactly that may have happened -- what you areinterpreting as a strong Pressure Point #1 thrust was actually a strong #4thrust in disguise, i.e., the power was merely funneled through #1, notproduced by it. Hence, the good shot. Your Feel System must learn to non-automatically(6-P-0) produce both actions and thus learn to differentiate them. Per6-R-0, only then can the selected Action "be pushed on to maximum Delayand become an Automatic Release."

Enough already. You've got a round to play tomorrow. Here's what to do:

Tonight.

Go into Impact Fix (8-2) and then backinto Adjusted Address (8-3). Over and over. Note the terrific difference inLeft Wrist Locations between the two. Also, be critically aware of the ForwardLean of the Clubshaft in Fix as opposed to the almostright-angled-to-the-Line alignment in Adjusted Address. Finally, Monitorcarefully the difference in the Wrist Alignments, i.e., Flat at Fix, Bent atAdjusted Address.

[COLOR="Navy"]You may be able to accomplish the correct alignments in Fix, but fail totallyin real time. If so, the problem may well lie in your Right Shoulder location.In Fix, make sure you keep that Right Shoulder down (On Plane per 7-13).You're probably coming into Impact too high, and as a result, you're "runningout of right arm," an automatic throwaway. From the Top, turn yourRight Shoulder directly toward the Ball and then through it, and continueto Trace the Straight Plane Line with it into the Follow-Through. PictureTrevino's Right Shoulder Down on plane through impact and let it happen.

Finally, per the last paragraph in 7-3, from Fix, use your Right Elbow Action(the Magic of the Right Forearm) to move the club up, in and back on plane.Learn to feel that originating motion.
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Tomorrow.

In your pre-game warm-up, emphasizeyour Impact Fix position before each shot. Focus first on the very shortones -- Acquired Motion per 12-5-2, Right Forearm no higher than level withthe ground. Take the motion to the end of the Follow-Through -- BothArms Straight Position -- and make sure your left wrist is flat and yourright wrist has remained bent. Hit a lot of these shots and monitor thefollow-through -- which is also the finish in this case -- and ask:

First Imperative: "Is my Left Wrist Flat? Is my Right WristBent?"

Second Imperative: "Did I feel and sustain the loading pressureagainst the passive first joint of my Right Forefinger throughout theDownstroke, Impact, the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight) and even into myFinish?

Third Imperative: "Did I trace the Straight Plane Line? And did Idirect the Clubhead Lag Down -- through the Ball, throughthe Aiming Point, through the Low Point, through to the end ofthe Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position)?"


Then, do what you can to achieve these alignments during your full Strokes. Donot think of how you're going to do it, just focus on your objective.



After the round.

Keep working on these same ideas. Theyare the ones that must be assimilated in order for you to come close to yourpotential as a player.

When I have a very small RFT, I crush the ball! :golfcart: At those moments, my right shoulder is still in Impact Fix location, I RFT so my right arm is parallel to target line and covering, step down and roll my right shoulder and elbow as forward as they will go! Some drives have hit/rolled 300 yards honest!

I simply have to remember a small RFT and then rolling the Power Package underneath and shooting the forearm through the ball. I know there are more details but that rolling Power Package really crushes the ball! :golf:

Thanks for the discussion MJ and Daryl, I always appreciate it!

ICT

Daryl 10-17-2012 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 93999)

I simply have to remember a small RFT and then rolling the Power Package underneath and shooting the forearm through the ball. I know there are more details but that rolling Power Package really crushes the ball! :golf:

Thanks for the discussion MJ and Daryl, I always appreciate it!

ICT

It's not because you "rolled the Power Package" at the end of Start-up. (wrong place anyway, and it's called the "Start-Up Swivel" and you shouldn't Roll the Forearms but only Swivel the Hands). It's because by you "rolling" the Power Package, you're finally creating a Right Forearm Flying Wedge and bringing an "On-Plane" Right Forearm Wedge through the Impact Interval.

When a Golfer "Finally learns to re-establish" the Right Forearm Flying Wedge while Swinging, with both Hands on the Club, You will "HINGE" through Impact.

I've spent a lot of years, way too many, learning that forming a Right Forearm Wedge while only using the Right Hand is a lot easier and clearer than establishing and maintaining that alignment throughout the Swing with BOTH HANDS on the Club.

NOTE: If your Wedges are not Aligned at 90 degrees, then you must Swivel the Right Forearm during Start-up to regain an On-Plane Right Forearm Flying Wedge. IF YOUR WEDGES ARE ALIGNED AT 90 DEGREES, then you only need to Swivel your Hands by the end of Start-up.

Hint: Aligning the Wedges at 90 degrees goes a long way in being able to produce a Right Forearm Wedge during the Swing. This is completed during "Impact Fix".

The PURPOSE OF HAVING THE FLYING WEDGES ALIGNED AT RIGHT ANGLES IS SO THAT THE CLUBSHAFT CAN EXIST SIMULTANEOUSLY ("at the same time") ON THE PLANE OF THE LEFT ARM WEDGE (WRIST COCK) AND RIGHT FOREARM WEDGE (PLANE OF THE RIGHT WIST BEND). Read On:

Quote:

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter '8') the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the plane of the Left Wristcock motion. At the same time, the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
The Right Forearm Wedge is not eye-candy (like you-know-who).

innercityteacher 10-17-2012 07:08 PM

You silver-tongued/keyboard/ap devil!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94000)
It's not because you "rolled the Power Package" at the end of Start-up. (wrong place anyway, and it's called the "Start-Up Swivel" and you shouldn't Roll the Forearms but only Swivel the Hands). It's because by you "rolling" the Power Package, you're finally creating a Right Forearm Flying Wedge and bringing an "On-Plane" Right Forearm Wedge through the Impact Interval.

When a Golfer "Finally learns to re-establish" the Right Forearm Flying Wedge while Swinging, with both Hands on the Club, You will "HINGE" through Impact.

I've spent a lot of years, way too many, learning that forming a Right Forearm Wedge while only using the Right Hand is a lot easier and clearer than establishing and maintaining that alignment throughout the Swing with BOTH HANDS on the Club.

NOTE: If your Wedges are not Aligned at 90 degrees, then you must Swivel the Right Forearm during Start-up to regain an On-Plane Right Forearm Flying Wedge. IF YOUR WEDGES ARE ALIGNED AT 90 DEGREES, then you only need to Swivel your Hands by the end of Start-up.

Hint: Aligning the Wedges at 90 degrees goes a long way in being able to produce a Right Forearm Wedge during the Swing. This is completed during "Impact Fix".

The PURPOSE OF HAVING THE FLYING WEDGES ALIGNED AT RIGHT ANGLES IS SO THAT THE CLUBSHAFT CAN EXIST SIMULTANEOUSLY ("at the same time") ON THE PLANE OF THE LEFT ARM WEDGE (WRIST COCK) AND RIGHT FOREARM WEDGE (PLANE OF THE RIGHT WIST BEND). Read On:



The Right Forearm Wedge is not eye-candy (like you-know-who).

Nice, it finally dawned on me that my right arm is attached to my right shoulder so if I roll my shoulder up or back my Impact Fix will be undisturbed so I can turn the shoulder back to the ball on a straight line and wallop the ball.

More later thanks Daryl!

ICT

innercityteacher 10-17-2012 09:35 PM

One more thing, Daryl. I was teaching a kid that a circle was really an assembly of straight lines yesterday and playing with my Impact Fix and my impact bag. Suddenly, I saw the straight line from my shoulder to the ball from a video of Lynn's and the excellent picture from http://www.golflagtips.com/hitting-v...art-3-hitting/.

I went to the range after school today and imagined that diagonal line from my shoulder to the ball, practiced the impact waggle and realized that the shoulder has to go toward the ball in what feels to be a circle but is really a straight line (or vice-versa). I started with Mid-body hands, formed Impact Fix with just a slightly open left hip, and slight wedges, RFT below the shoulder and then plant and drive the right shoulder to the ball!

The whole Power Package and Bent Right Wrist flows miles past the ball and the ball just keeps going!

Thanks D!

ICT

Daryl 10-18-2012 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94001)
Nice, it finally dawned on me that my right arm is attached to my right shoulder so if I roll my shoulder up or back my Impact Fix will be undisturbed so I can turn the shoulder back to the ball on a straight line and wallop the ball.

More later thanks Daryl!

ICT

You really don't need to do stuff like that.

Give us an October Surprise!

If you could learn to Align the Flying Wedges at Right Angles, then, bring an On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge into Impact, you would instantly drop 10 or more strokes off of you game and dramatically improve your Ball Striking.

It has nothing to do with the Backstroke.

These Alignments are created at Impact Fix.

Think about calling me Saturday Morning. I'll walk you through it in 10 minutes. Then you can go strike balls and report back to everyone on your miraculous improvement.

innercityteacher 10-18-2012 01:10 PM

You got it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94003)
You really don't need to do stuff like that.

Give us an October Surprise!

If you could learn to Align the Flying Wedges at Right Angles, then, bring an On-Plane Right Forearm Wedge into Impact, you would instantly drop 10 or more strokes off of you game and dramatically improve your Ball Striking.

It has nothing to do with the Backstroke.

These Alignments are created at Impact Fix.

Think about calling me Saturday Morning. I'll walk you through it in 10 minutes. Then you can go strike balls and report back to everyone on your miraculous improvement.

I bow to the superior alignment (not Ricardo Montolban).

I will work exclusively on this!

Many thanks!

Pat

Daryl 10-18-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94004)
PM me with a time or...?

Pat

Done. You have my number.

Here's what you'll need.
  1. Bucket with handle. Golf practice range bucket works really well.
  2. Red Dots. Need two of them.
  3. Dowel Rod (1)
  4. 2 Golf Clubs. Prefer Driver and Wedge. For Impact Fix Practice.

It should only take about Ten minutes.

innercityteacher 10-18-2012 02:45 PM

Will I be converting to a new religion with the red dots?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94005)
Done. You have my number.

Here's what you'll need.
  1. Bucket with handle. Golf practice range bucket works really well.
  2. Red Dots. Need two of them.
  3. Dowel Rod (1)
  4. 2 Golf Clubs. Prefer Driver and Wedge. For Impact Fix Practice.

It should only take about Ten minutes.

:laughing1

Daryl 10-18-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94006)
:laughing1

Red Dots are for monitoring the Hands.

Daryl 10-20-2012 11:52 AM

Examples of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach: Red Dot

Links to the Right Forearm Angle of Approach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3Cy...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-TnrnkxVVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74az4...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LQPk3vrao48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc9Wb9JKpTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVW8DBHWXv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzN7sHrgnE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJ8r...eature=related

innercityteacher 10-20-2012 05:54 PM

Monitoring the bucket!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94007)
Red Dots are for monitoring the Hands.

Hold the bucket filled with heavy stuff with the right wrist almost parallel to the line of the ceiling and the base line of the plane and place a red dot in the middle of it.

Turn the right pocket/hip away from the baseline and back watching the red dot continually face you as you turn back and through. The weight in the bucket helped me get the feeling and keep it. Like a really heavy wet mop, I could instantly feel PP# 3 and pressure on it as I turned back and through .

At the range, I realized after a consultation with Daryl that my Impact Fix was screwed up big time!:exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim:

My "forward shaft lean" was really about an 8 degree open face so that even when I turned through the ball well, I couldn't! :naughty: (I'm sure Lynn had mentioned this but Lynn taught and told me a ton of stuff over four days and I was simply not able to absorb all of it!)

So with a proper club grounding, the right hand underneath the club so the right wrist bend makes that right dot facing up at about a 45 degree angle the forward shaft lean is about an inch or so still with mid body hand. It is hard to do!

At the range, a bucket full of balls was essential to keeping that feeling of the right wrist being underneath the club and the right dot looking at me back and through.

So it was Basic Motion practice back and through with a little shaft lean and the ball flies straight depending on the stance and low point-longer club, wider stance!. The motion feels so efficient and economical with the Pivot providing lots of power! :idea1: Once the hands are clamped correctly on the club and the right width of stance is selected, the shot is pretty much over! :toothy1:

My driving range has golfball like signs about 3 yards wide every 50 yards. My last 20 shots never left the line no matter what club I hit. The trajectory was perfect like a "fish-hook "shape and the ball seemed to have a second gear based on the horizontal Hinge closing compression.

On-line and penetrating ball flight :) that resulted in 240 yard drives dead online. I was not straining to hit these shots, pocket back and pocket through!

My tee was about 1/2 a ball over the club-face. Tomorrow on a grass range I'll adjust down a bit!

Thanks Daryl and thanks LBG!

ICT

innercityteacher 10-20-2012 10:39 PM

The Golf Machine-2-N-Underhand Pitching!
 
Daryl's excellent instruction on the set-up of the "Underhanded Pitch" produces a swing that is very, very flat feeling that lies on a plane that seems to me to sit below the plane of my shoulders. With the sun giving me an observable shadow, the Underhand Pitch or "Side-arm stone skip" ala Hogan, must be programmed for ball flight by moderating the Low Point via width of stance as mentioned by Hogan.

http://youtu.be/c3C1__L5usM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYs4J2wYXE&feature=share&list=LPIEnCr_ZVR Hg

http://youtu.be/rtLEQ99bw4Q
http://youtu.be/rtLEQ99bw4Q
http://youtu.be/KXPVnWJ0gDs
http://youtu.be/uclhIVqynTE
http://youtu.be/7WtzWAoZ6Zk
http://youtu.be/XwFXt-7x2No
http://youtu.be/Xh2JO2hiuNk

innercityteacher 10-21-2012 12:22 AM

Establishing the Right Forearm Angle of Approach
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94021)
Daryl's excellent instruction on the set-up of the "Underhanded Pitch" produces a swing that is very, very flat feeling that lies on a plane that seems to me to sit below the plane of my shoulders. With the sun giving me an observable shadow, the Underhand Pitch or "Side-arm stone skip" ala Hogan, must be programmed for ball flight by moderating the Low Point via width of stance as mentioned by Hogan.

http://youtu.be/c3C1__L5usM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYs4J2wYXE&feature=share&list=LPIEnCr_ZVR Hg

http://youtu.be/rtLEQ99bw4Q
http://youtu.be/rtLEQ99bw4Q
http://youtu.be/KXPVnWJ0gDs
http://youtu.be/uclhIVqynTE
http://youtu.be/7WtzWAoZ6Zk
http://youtu.be/XwFXt-7x2No
http://youtu.be/Xh2JO2hiuNk



http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1820&highlight=right+forearm+angl e+of+approach#post1820

Establishing The Clubshaft's Forward Lean
Quote:

Originally Posted by EdZ
Thanks, I'll have to incubate a bit on the shoulder turn vs. plane, which while it makes sense, I wonder if it is more a matter of anatomy than geometry.

What would your perspective be from a face on view?
The Clubshaft's Forward Lean (2-J-2) through Impact and the Right Forearm's Angle of Approach are dictated by:

1. Club design (2-G);

2. Plane Angle and the consequent Clubhead Line Of Flight (2-N-O);

2. Ball Location (3-F-7-E); and

3. The degree of Right Wrist Bend established at Impact Fix (6-C-2-A).
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innercityteacher 10-21-2012 12:25 AM

This is how we do it!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1820&highlight=right+forearm+angl e+of+approach#post1820


Quote:

Wrist and Hand Action Down The Delivery Path
Originally Posted by rchang72
Thanks Yoda. I still don't entirely understand how to practice the delivery path of hands, so I'm going to have to process this. If I read you correctly, I should think of it like a karate strike with the heel of an open palm through the aiming point?

[Bold by Yoda.]
For Swingers, the Sequenced Release (4-D-0) involves the Left Hand palm-down-to-the-Plane Karate Chop into Release followed by the Left Wrist Swivel into Impact. Meanwhile, the Right Hand is responsible for the passive Aiming of the #3 Pressure Point as Centrifugal Force provides the Active Clubhead Drive.

For Hitters, the Release of the Left Wrist Cock and Left Hand Roll are simultaneous. Both are actuated by the straightening Right Elbow. Thus, there is no Karate Chop and no Left Wrist Swivel into Impact. As with Swinging, the Right Hand's #3 Pressure Point provides guidance to the Stroke, but in addition, it also funnels the Right Arm Thrust as Active Clubhead Drive.
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innercityteacher 10-21-2012 12:36 AM

No photos available but the Angle of Approach of the Right Forearm seems quite steep depending on the club!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329&page=2&highlight=right+forear m+angle+of+approach

Quote:

mgjordan
Member

Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 65
Re: Drawing
Originally Posted by RickPinewild
Is the impact line really that severe, it appears to be at about a 45* angle, or is this exagerated for instuctional purposes?
Yes, the angle of approach is quite sever...the "openness" of the clubhead in the drawing, however, is exagerated so you can see it better. It is really more like 3 degrees.

innercityteacher 10-21-2012 01:05 AM

The right Right Forearm Angle of Approach!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1412&highlight=right+forearm+angl e+of+approach#post1412



Quote:

A Rose By Any Other Name (Is Still A Rose)
Originally Posted by DDL
I am starting to hate the aiming point procedure described in TGM, which induces 'flippyness' of the wrists. I never saw the Ben Doyle tape, but the Chuck Evans right forearm angle of approach video, the Yoda impact bag video, and your description of the Ben Doyle video all point to hands being pulled or pushed straight from the top to the impact hands location, not the ball.
Correctly executed, DDL, the Aiming Point Concept (6-E-2) produces alignments identical with those of the Impact Hand Location Concept (7-8 ). The former is the indirect equivalent of the latter (6-E-1). But as Homer says, "When in doubt, there is always the Impact Fix Hand Location procedure" (6-E-2).

Note: The as-yet-unpublished 7th Edition of The Golfing Machine includes a revision to 6-E-1. In the 5th sentence (6th Edition page 82), change 'Flat Left Wrist' to 'Impact Hand Location.'
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innercityteacher 10-21-2012 01:32 AM

Pretty neat stuff is darn straight!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56204&highlight=right+forearm+ang le+of+approach#post56204


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01-01-1970, 12:00 AM

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Different Strokes
armourall wrote:

Yoda wrote:

armourall wrote:

golfingrandy wrote:

armourall wrote:

golfingrandy wrote:

armourall wrote:

Does your Hitting procedure include a pre-turned right hip?



If you are not using a pre-set or pre-turn of the hips in Hitting then you are incorrectly applying the procedure.



Randy,

I have to admit I still don't get the necessity of a pre-turned right hip. If my right elbow easily clears the right hip with the hips square (I also use a delayed hip action), are there any other reasons why the hips would need to be pre-turned? Since your assumption is that my procedure is incorrect (and it may be), are there other "warning signs" that would tell me my takeaway is flawed?



I would never be so presumptuous to state that your procedure is incorrect (now the 4-barrel disscusion is another story ).

If you are Hitting and you do not get the right hip out of the way, the path of the hands will be very similar to a fish hook. I like the lawnmower example.

Same is true on the downswing if one does not have a positive hip movement, the hands will go around. Hitting is straight line. The reason is that this is the only way to avoid CF in Hitting, which would be desirable. When one allows CF to creep into there Hitting procedure, soon throwaway will be present.

Remember, which has been stated here and elsewhere, that Homer preferred the hands for Hitting to begin at their impact location and that one would use a frozen right wrist. So go to that alignment and try to take the hands directly to the top without getting the right hip out of the way.



Randy...

OK, I've tried to INTENTIONALLY make my right elbow collide with my right hip on the takeaway (starting from my normal hands at impact position), but no matter what I do, it clears. Any ideas why I'm getting away with it? (I frequently use a flashlight to trace the plane, and I'm dead on.)



Armourall,

First time I've seen this stuff. Sorry to be so late getting here.

I think the reason you are having so little trouble with your Plane Line Tracing is that you are Tracing Plane Line of 10-5-A. This is the Plane Line Traced by the Swinger using the On Line Arc of Approach Procedure. Here the Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpful but not essential.

However, when Hitting, you should be using the Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E. This is the Plane Line visually Covered -- not Traced! -- by the Hitter using the Cross Line Angle of Approach Procedure. Here, unless you are transparent, you must Clear the Right Hip or you will be unable to Cover this Steep Plane Line and properly Fan the Right Forearm.



But doesn't 12-1-0 specify 10-5-A for Hitting?



Good question, Armourall. And a complete answer provides the opportunity toclear Major League Fog.

You have correctly and perceptively observed that the Square Plane Line (10-5-A)is listed as the Plane Line Component (#5) for the Drive Loading Basic Patternof 12-1-0. In contrast, my post recommended the Closed Plane Line (10-5-E). Themissing link is Homer's dual purpose in creating the Basic StrokePatterns of Chapter 12.

His first objective was to present the Basic Uncompensated Stroke forboth Hitting (12-1-0) and Swinging (12-2-0). The second was to permit theplayer to interchange those patterns -- both when learning them andin using them in actual play -- with a minimum of disruption totheir original Basic Pattern. To accomplish this second objective, he variedthe respective Components only as absolutely necessary to accomodate thenature of each, i.e., the Push (Drive Loading) or the Pull (DragLoading).

The Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A is the true Geometric Plane Line andas such, it is the Basic Delivery Line for both Hitting andSwinging(2-J-3). Swingers actively Trace -- point at -- this Straight Line asthe simplified alternative to Monitoring the Curved Arc of the ClubheadBlur through the Impact Point and Low Point. In Tracing the Straight Plane Lineof 10-5-A -- the On Line Procedure -- the Swinger automatically producesthe correct Visual Arc of Approach (2-J-3-A)-- the curved Path of theClubhead Blur -- through Impact.

As stated above, Hitters may use this same Basic Delivery Line. In sodoing, they likewise will produce the On Line Arc of ApproachProcedure. However, unlike Swingers, they have an additional option, and thatis the Cross Line Angle of Approach procedure. The Angle ofApproach is that Straight Line drawn between the Impact Point and Low Point(2-J-3-B and Sketch 2-C-1-#3). As long as the Clubhead passes through those twopoints, the Angle of Approach and the Arc of Approach are Geometric Equivalents.

The Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E can be erected on the Angle of Approach, and itsBaseline (by definition) will cross the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A and pointto "Right Field." It is not practical for the Swinger to use thisalternative Plane Line to Deliver the Clubhead into Impact. This is because hesenses a Circular "Wheel Rim" Whirling Motion of his Orbiting Handsthrough the Three Stations, i.e., from the Address to the Top andthrough Impact to the Finish. This Swinging Motion is much bettersuited to the On Line (Arc of Approach) Procedure and is best produced byTracing the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A.

The Hitter, however, does not experience the Wheel Rim sensation of theOrbiting Hands. Instead of a 'Swinging' Motion of the Hands in theBackstroke, he senses a 'Carrying' Motion. And instead of a CircularWhirling Motion through the Ball, he senses a decided Straight LineThrust (of the Driving Right Arm). And this Thrust lends itself ideallyto the Cross Line Angle of Approach Procedure.

For the Hitter, then, the two Procedures -- On Line (Arc of Approach) andCross Line (Angle of Approach) -- are interchangeable. And to satisfyHomer's second Stroke Pattern objective -- as much consistency aspossible between the two Basic Patterns (Drive and Drag) -- he listed theSquare Plane Line of 10-5-A as Component #5 for both. He also advised that theplayer should avoid customizing either until the "expert" stage wasreached. If you have not yet reached that stage, then stay with 10-5-A forHitting.

However, if you have, then per 2-J-3, the Cross Line 'Hit' ispreferred to the On Line 'Hit' and the customization of the Basic12-1-0 Pattern is warranted. The On Line 'Swing' remains the preferredProcedure for 12-2-0, whether the player has reached the expert stage or not.

And this brings us back to Square One -- the need for the Pre-Turned Right Hip.Interestingly, both Stroke Patterns list the Delayed Hip Action (10-15-B) asthe Basic Hip Action Component (#15). Its Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpfulto players using the On Line Swing because it assures that the Hipwill be properly Cleared in the Backstroke, thus permitting the Hands toexecute the mandatory Three Dimensional Backstroke (2-F). It also offers more 'RightForearm Fanning' room in Start Up than the Standard Action of 10-15-A.

However, while the Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpful to the On LineSwinger it is essential to the Cross Line Hitter. His Closed Plane Lineproduces a Cross Line Clubhead Path and with it, a Right Hip—Right Elbowconflict. This Path (and its problematic Hip—Elbow conflict) may be preciselyidentified by observing the On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach inImpact Fix and the parallel Clubhead Angle of Approach through Impact.And the curious fact is that your Hands simply will not take the Club backon that Line if your Right Hip is in the way. And it is! You can tell them-- out loud if you wish -- that you will move the Hip immediately in Start Up,but they will not believe you. As Homer used to say, "The Hands just won'tbuy it." And so they just 'go around' the Hip and take the Club Off Planein the process.

So, if you're going to Cross Line Hit, you must Pre-Turn theRight Hip. And since the Pre-Turned Hip is perfectly acceptable (and even advisable)for On Line Swingers as well, Homer made it the Basic Hip Action Component for bothBasic Stroke Patterns. Why should you have to spend years learning andusing Standard Hip Action -- with On Line Swinging or On Line Hitting orboth -- only to find out that the Pre-Turned Hip of Delayed Hip Action ismandated by the more sophisticated Cross Line Hit? And then be forced to startall over again learning a new Hip Action Component and then integrating itinto your Basic Pattern? Or else forego The Joy of Cross Line Hitting.

You see, Homer knew long before you did that you would be following him downthis road, and he wanted to make your transition as easy as possible.

Pretty neat, don't you think?

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Daryl 10-21-2012 07:13 AM

You will begin to understand a lot of alignments using this procedure rather than the Swivel.

FORWARD SHAFT LEAN is a product of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. Locating the Ball aft of Low Point will then have a Forward Leaning Shaft in relation to the ground because the Ball is Struck "While" (before) the Shaft has reached Low-Point. But.....

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2-J-2 ......... Theoretically, Impact at any point of perfect circle will produce the same results except for direction. So – the Clubshaft is never, normally, at right angles to the Plane Line through Impact – it leans forward. So, except beyond Low Point always be sure that it does.

Daryl 10-21-2012 07:22 AM

More....

Use Impact Fix to determine the correct distance from the Ball. Make sure this distance allows enough Right Elbow Bend through Impact because the Bent Right Elbow is responsible to return the Level Left Wrist to Impact.

Use Impact Fix to determine Stance Width. Low Point is below and opposite the Hinge Pin which heavily relies on Right Shoulder Location at Impact.

USE THE #3PRESSURE POINT.........ALWAYS

Daryl 10-21-2012 07:38 AM

Hook Face
 
Hook Face

If you Locate the Ball any distance aft of Low-Point, a corresponding amount of Hook Face must be added to insure that the Clubface will be square to the Angle of Approach at Impact.

The Exact amount of Hook-Face is determined by the distance between the Ball and Low-Point.


So....If you use the same Ball Location but move Low-Point slightly Forward (by narrowing the stance) then you must add Hook-Face.

innercityteacher 10-21-2012 10:16 AM

Boy, that explains a lot of my miscues playing a round of golf.
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94029)
Hook Face

If you Locate the Ball any distance aft of Low-Point, a corresponding amount of Hook Face must be added to insure that the Clubface will be square to the Angle of Approach at Impact.

The Exact amount of Hook-Face is determined by the distance between the Ball and Low-Point.


So....If you use the same Ball Location but move Low-Point slightly Forward (by narrowing the stance) then you must add Hook-Face.

Thats why I leave so many 8 and 9 irons out to the right! I narrow my stance but do not close the face. Thanks D. :naughty:

ICT

Daryl 10-21-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94030)
Thats why I leave so many 8 and 9 irons out to the right! I narrow my stance but do not close the face. Thanks D. :naughty:

ICT

Narrowing your stance will cause the Clubface to be more Open at Impact.

Widening your Stance will cause the Clubface to be More Closed at Impact.

innercityteacher 10-22-2012 12:48 PM

Thank God for Scrambles!
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94031)
Narrowing your stance will cause the Clubface to be more Open at Impact.

Widening your Stance will cause the Clubface to be More Closed at Impact.

Perfect weather day and format to work on Impact Fix and stsnce width.

I learned I play from a narrow stance most of the time. :crybaby:
It wasn't until I really put my feet outside my shoulders that I finally stopped fading my driver. I am getting used to looking at a true Impact Fix set-up and by the 7th hole I was hitting a baby draw that really ran out some 10-15 yards further.

I also got my short irons, finally, to start tracking to the pin and was able to save our team on all but 3 holes with shots that got on the green not near the pin, but in the idea of the direction of the pin.

My 12 hcp. was the lowest in our group and we finished in the top 10 with 6 under par. I chipped in once and sank two birdies from greater than 20 feet. :happy3:

I have to work very hard now on set-up and training my Pivot!

Thanks Daryl!

ICT

Daryl 10-22-2012 02:13 PM

It's good that the knowledge of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach has helped. All knowledge should transfer into improvements.

But, it does seem like you need some more time. There seems to be other issues with your swing that need to be worked out.

At least, your game won't fall apart anymore. You should be consistent from practice range to tee and from tee to tee and round to round of golf.

innercityteacher 10-22-2012 07:48 PM

Right Elbow too close to body?
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94033)
It's good that the knowledge of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach has helped. All knowledge should transfer into improvements.

But, it does seem like you need some more time. There seems to be other issues with your swing that need to be worked out.

At least, your game won't fall apart anymore. You should be consistent from practice range to tee and from tee to tee and round to round of golf.

One of the thoughts I've had Daryl, is that with the knowledge of The Right Forearm Angle of Approach and the right wrist facing up in the backswing and in Start-down, it is much easier to use the right amount of Extensor Action as you mentioned and easier to keep the right elbow away from the body both for Swinging and Hitting. :)

I was nervous using the new alignments on the course yesterday and kept trying to find my side with my right elbow which certainly shortened my radius and distances.

In the following video, Lynn's right elbow is miles away from his side as his right wrist faces toward him at Top. His Impact Fix is undisturbed as he loads his machine with a slight bump (push off the right foot?) and "claps" his hands with the right forearm perfectly, time and again.


http://youtu.be/c3C1__L5usM

I have to let my Impact Fix travel fully to shoulder height before Drag Loading or Drive Loading, I believe.

Thanks!

ICT

Daryl 10-22-2012 08:54 PM

I know where you're coming from. You should re-start your "Basic Motion" training, and quickly move to Acquired Motion. Everything will start becoming easier.


At 3:55 in the Video, he gets back into true form after the static demonstrations. He does an excellent job demonstrating the Right Forearm Angle of Approach at this place in the video. But he doesn't identify the Right Forearm angle of Approach as such. And, standing as upright as he does during the demonstration, you don't easily grasp the "Red Dot" learning aid I talked to you about. Sure, he's keeping it simple. To Yoda, it's as clear as day.

The video could have been more effective if he compared the Right Forearm Angle of Approach to the Swivel as I did with you. You seemed to easily identify the correct procedure by using a comparison to the alternative, "Swiveling".

innercityteacher 10-22-2012 10:57 PM

The Left Arm Check Rein
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94035)
I know where you're coming from. You should re-start your "Basic Motion" training, and quickly move to Acquired Motion. Everything will start becoming easier.


At 3:55 in the Video, he gets back into true form after the static demonstrations. He does an excellent job demonstrating the Right Forearm Angle of Approach at this place in the video. But he doesn't identify the Right Forearm angle of Approach as such. And, standing as upright as he does during the demonstration, you don't easily grasp the "Red Dot" learning aid I talked to you about. Sure, he's keeping it simple. To Yoda, it's as clear as day.

The video could have been more effective if he compared the Right Forearm Angle of Approach to the Swivel as I did with you. You seemed to easily identify the correct procedure by using a comparison to the alternative, "Swiveling".

With the proper Impact Fix position and a proper Bent Right Wrist the whole Power Package can go as high as it needs to with the restraint of the left arm that also provides a perfect "placeholder" for the 'Power Package." With the right arm farther away from my body, the right arm can slide very powerfully, simply dropping by covering the line or tracing the line powerfully, fluidly to the inner quadrant or back of the ball! :salut: I really didn't catch that before Daryl. The left arm check makes the right arm Impact Fix and and width carefree!

A simple hip bump of an inch activates a swingle powerfully falling straight down, out and forward into the ball.

Watch how Lynn's right forearm looks up to the sky as he works the flail and what a small hip move "throws out" the left wrist!

http://youtu.be/EDNCLchMYRI

Thanks Daryl and LBG!

ICT

innercityteacher 10-22-2012 11:49 PM

Looking at videos with new eyes!

Noticing the right forearm angle of approach through follow through!

http://youtu.be/FDRTQvibHc0

HungryBear 10-23-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94036)
Watch how Lynn's right forearm looks up to the sky as he works the flail and what a small hip move "throws out" the left wrist!

http://youtu.be/EDNCLchMYRI


ICT

Why am I "troubled" by this video?

Could it be the interpretation of "sequenced"?

Maybe understanding of how a machine converts rotary motion to linear motion?

HB

Daryl 10-23-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94036)
With the proper Impact Fix position and a proper Bent Right Wrist the whole Power Package can go as high as it needs to with the restraint of the left arm that also provides a perfect "placeholder" for the 'Power Package." With the right arm farther away from my body, the right arm can slide very powerfully, simply dropping by covering the line or tracing the line powerfully, fluidly to the inner quadrant or back of the ball! :salut: I really didn't catch that before Daryl. The left arm check makes the right arm Impact Fix and and width carefree!


ICT

You're catching on.

And, that Right Elbow - away from the Body - at the Top or End, allows the "Hands" to accelerate rapidly and fully. This defines the "Hand Acceleration" phase of the "Downstroke Acceleration Sequence", necessary to bring a Lagging Clubhead into the Impact interval. Without it, Lag decreases, and the Shaft whips the Clubhead ahead before Impact.

Daryl 10-23-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 94039)
Why am I "troubled" by this video?

Could it be the interpretation of "sequenced"?

Maybe understanding of how a machine converts rotary motion to linear motion?

HB

Linear Motion??? Maybe the #1 Accumulator but the Golf Swing doesn't produce Linear Force, but can make the ball respond to an angular force as though it were struck by a linear force.

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2-C-0 LINEAR FORCE The ball will respond to non-linear (angular) force exactly the same as to linear forces only if the application produce forces equally linear to the ball but not necessarily linear to anything external to the ball.

Briefly stated, it is necessary to find a way to compress the ball through a particular point along a particular line, and maintain this compression through the same particular point along this same particular line straight line, through the entire arc of the Impact Interval, and with geometrical precision for consistent control. Study 2-K and 2-N.

To maintain compression at a particular point that point, then, must rotate around the same center that the rotating force does. Not just the physical center of the ball nor the gravitational center – just the point of compression. In other words, the original contact points of the Clubface and ball must remain in contact throughout the entire Impact Interval. This is possible only if the motion – or arc – is uniform. Therefore there must be a perfectly centered action – or a compensating manipulation.

innercityteacher 10-23-2012 01:07 PM

Proper procedures for "Hand Acceleration"
 
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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 94040)
You're catching on.

And, that Right Elbow - away from the Body - at the Top or End, allows the "Hands" to accelerate rapidly and fully. This defines the "Hand Acceleration" phase of the "Down stroke Acceleration Sequence", necessary to bring a Lagging Club head into the Impact interval. Without it, Lag decreases, and the Shaft whips the Club head ahead before Impact.

It is so cool to have the complete Power Package drop on a ball like a cruise missile on a terrorist, but the question comes in training the Pivot to do the firing with full power and malice!&D:

As President Romney said "we can't kill our way out of the problem with terrorism," and we can't always kill the golf ball but a solid smash every couple shots is a beautiful thing. :happy3:

To that end:

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Am I correct in assuming that this 'dynamic' weight shift is mandatory for full shots? Or in other words, when looking at video of me hitting a Driver, must there be a visible shift to the left 2-4 frames prior to the hands starting down, and if I'm not doing this, am I not shifting your weight properly?
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That's right, Andy. In Pivot Strokes, the Down stroke begins at the ground (the Feet) and sequences upward through the Knees, Hips and Shoulders. The Hip Action (Hips pull Shoulders) shifts the weight and maintains the On Plane Right Shoulder during the Start Down. This Body Action pulls the Arms, and the Arms pull the Hands (which have experienced a momentary static period that defines the Top).

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So a steady reversing pull of the body stops the hands and fires them down plane. :)

Woo Hoo this is fun.

ICT


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