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Right Shoulder Turn Thrust for Hitting
Andstill another seeker wanted to know, "Is the right shoulder thrust (towardthe ball) appropriate for Hitting if it is combined with extensor action?"Here's my reply:

With or without Extensor Action, the answer is yes. Butthere are three things to keep in mind.

First, while Extensor Action (6-B-1-D) serves animportant function, it has its own identity. And that identity is separate fromthat of the Right Shoulder Turn Thrust. In other words, let's keep everybody ontheir own turf (as much as possible). It really helps.

Second, remember that the Right Shoulder, being part ofthe Triangle Assembly of 6-A-1, is also a part of the Power Package. Likewise,by definition, it is part of the Pivot.

Third, per 2-M-3, if the Hitter's Thrusting Right Shoulderactually drives the #4 Accumulator through Impact (in addition to the thrust ofPower Accumulator #1, the Bent Right Arm), then you have a true Four BarrelStroke (10-4-D). Otherwise, also per 2-M-3, the Right Shoulder "is moreclearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance, and support of the PowerPackage, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion duringduring Delivery."

The hip bump =the Axis Tilt= MAINTAINING THE RIGHT SHOULDER ON PLANE!!!!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5955

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Femoore,
As Homer states in 5-0, "That-failure to clear the right hip (roundhousing) can initiate almost every alignment disruption, including shanking"

So - Homer is saying, we need to establish a lag relationship to the plane line. In order to do so, we must clear the right hip - meaning, move it enough so the hands have a path to the planeline. Now, since we have already established the right shoulder must move onplane (and that the hands will generally follow the path established by the shoulders) - or at least back and down, then it would stand to reason the hips must clear enough to allow the right shoulder to become onplane. No, it doesnt stand to reason. THE HIPS MUST CLEAR ENOUGH TO GET THE RIGHT SHOULDER ONPLANE!!!

So - to me, roundhousing means the shoulder or the hands must move around the hips to move in a line towards the planeline, and this results in a geometrical disaster.

The fix could be two fold:
1. Properly train the pivot. At transition, make a slight bump of the hips which imparts an axis tilt (the shoulders move back and down away from the target somewhat) - that axis tilt allows the shoulder to become onplane, and then naturally - continue the pivot motion.

2. As quickly as possible but under the guidance of how properly the pivot is executing, that same relationship must be established with the hands. So, the command of delivering the lag must include a clearing of the right hip...eventually, as the player works on both of these, hopefully the transition to hands controlled pivot will be easier (but may require periodic trips back to the pivot).

Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

Wow, what a post! Great work, Patrick!

One nitpick: Remember, the Right Shoulder Turn of 10-13-A/C was already OnPlane at the Top. Therefore, it needs the Axis Tilt not to move itthere, but to keep it there during the Start Down, Downstroke, Release,Impact and the Follow-Through.

It's all interrelated!

ICT

More Right Shoulder insights!

LINE UP THE RIGHT SHOULDER OPPOSITE THE BALL AT IMPACT FIX!!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56257&highlight=right+shoulder#po st56257

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The On Plane Trevino Right Shoulder
hue wrote:

Yoda wrote:

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Homer told me one time that very few golfers actually go all the way down. Almost all reach the Ball and begin their upward Motion before the Low Point is reached. "Even Tour players," he said.

"They almost all come up, and I'm really kind of surprised when I see them still take a divot."

I asked him for the name of a player who did go all the way down.

"Trevino," he said with a lowered voice and a growl.

"I like that guy. He hits a wedge, and you've got to help him get the club out of the ground!"

Yoda: I have been watching a lot of footage of Traveno after reading this post. I have noticed that at impact he has a very very low trail shoulder relative to other top players. This must mean that the trail arm is also more bent at impact and there would also be more right wrist bend at the same point. Also the super low trail shoulder would lend it self to a more pitch trail elbow at impact as the trail shoulder is closer to the target. The low trail shoulder must also have an effect on the vectors of the trail arm extensor action also. Both as the point of resistance for the right arm extensor action is lower so I would think the force would be more down and THROUGH than down and as the arm is more bent there is more extensor action to put on the ball .

Is the super low trail shoulder at impact the reason that Trevino " went all the way down" and was so good through the ball? What are your thoughts on the points I raise? Thanks.

Yes, the Trevino Right Shoulder Motion through Impact is an extremelyimportant study. Per 7-13, the Right Shoulder must not only stay 'back,'but also down -- down On Plane. Otherwise, you will 'run out of Right Arm'through Impact. In other words, the Right Arm will act as a 'chain' on yourLeft and it simply cannot go through. And so no matter how much you know aboutthe Flat Left Wrist, it cannot be maintained under this circumstance, andso...it Bends! And the Shot -- and perhaps the match -- is lost.

The place to program this move is at Impact Fix (8-2 and 7-8 ). Bypre-positioning your Right Shoulder 'down On Plane,' say almost directlyopposite the Ball -- probably much lower than your presently feel -- youwill be able to extend through the Ball much further until you reach the BothArms Straight Position at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When youreturn to Adjusted Address from this position you will notice that you have a'lot of right arm' -- it is quite bent, even with applied extensor action --and that means that as your Right Shoulder turns through the Ball in this muchfarther way -- "chasing it" as Nick Price likes to say -- then theLeft Arm with its Flat Left Wrist can fly through Impact unimpeded by the'chain' of the Straightened Right Arm caused by the too high RightShoulder.

The reverse of this Impact Fix position would be when you prepare for a 6-inchputt. This Stroke -- as in All Strokes -- must be taken to the Both ArmsStraight Position at the end of the Follow-Through. What to do with such ashort Stroke? You pre-position your Follow-Through for the Both ArmsStraight Position almost immediately following Impact. Now your Right Shoulderwill be much higher than the pre-positioning described above. As a result,you'll have a nice firm 'no Quitting (3-F-7-B) Downstroke to the end of yourFollow-Through and your putt will rattle the hole.

By the way, for those who suffer from 'double hit' putts, this last advice isthe solution.

Stay with this idea, Hue. It is really, really key.

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Maybe I'll just be an excellent HItter with 3 barrels!

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Three Barrel vs. Four Barrel
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YODA
In real terms if you had a 4-barrel player go to a 3-barrel action and master it to the same level of competence. In your opinion, what would be the loss of distance with the driver be if he became a 3-barrel player, if say the guy could crank it out 300 yards with a 4-barrel action? Thanks.

This is a great question and a great post.

The answer is that the Three-Barrel guy would find his ball 290 on thesprinkler heads. The 300-yard Four Barreler likely would be four yards aheadand surrounded by a group of his closest friends...all in the rough..and allstill looking...

P.S. Attention All Four-Barrellers: Do not forget that a lotof what you think you are feeling as Right Arm Thrust...orDrive...or Right Hand through the Ball...or WHATEVER...isnothing more than your very powerful Right Shoulder driving the #4Accumulator through the Right Forearm Flying Wedge throughthe the Ball.

You may feel the 'Power' in your Right Arm or Hand...but the Sourceis your Right Shoulder. Larry Nelson told me this personally fifteenyears ago, and he knows zilch about The Golfing Machine. HeIS a Golfing Machine. Think about it.

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Yoda,
You have your distances wrong, if the true 3 barrel swinger can hit 290 yards, the four barrel swinger will be able to hit it 310 to 340 yards. A good 20 to 50 yards better than the true swinger.

290 for the 3 barrel swinger, Yoda, you forgot to add that the wind was at his back and the ball caught a down hill lie!!!

Trust me, put up an accomplished 3 barrel and 4 barrel swinger together the 4 barrel swinger will out drive the 3 barrel swinger, no problem.

Yoda, even your buddy Tom Tomasello said, when the swinger uses right arm thrust he'll ad 20 to 50 yards to his tee shot, I have him saying that on video tape. Tom said it's kind of ridiculus that a right handed/sided person would play the game from the left side, so learn to use that right arm, you have been holding back all these years!!!

DG

Well, DG,

Regarding my yardages, I knocked off a few for the 4-barrel guy because hedidn't catch it flush that time. And I added a few for the 3-barrel guy 'causehis caddy had a strong right foot, which he exercised when the 4-barrelers wereall over in the gunch.

Regarding my friend, the late Tommy Tomasello, all I know is this:

The Man who wrote The Book taught Tommy everything he ever learned aboutTGM;and

The Man said this in writing in his Clampett swing analysis:

"Power Package muscle power (right triceps thrust) can make a minisculecontribution and only with great effort during a swing procedure."

That's good enough for me, and besides, this is where I came in on this one!So...

If you'll excuse me, I'm outa here!

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91558)

Maybe I'll just be an excellent HItter with 3 barrels!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56262&highlight=right+shoulder#po st56262

Ok, sports fans, we have a new goal! Drumroll..... :golf:

Shooting 69, every time out through 3 BARELL HITTING!!!!!!!!

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So Far And Yet So Close
tgmgolfer2k2 wrote:

Great thoughts Yoda.

So if my right shoulder is geometically moving correctly, I should focus on my hands, according to you. That's fine. Should I just feel them going up and down the plane angle? Or what?

I have a problem with my body rotation slowing down when I start focusin on just moving my hands during the swing. Is this just because the pivot isn't fully "programmed" yet? And if so, what will get me "over the hump" to full programming?

Hit some balls today just driving my right shoulder in the inside quad of the ball. Wonderous results. But as you say, trouble may abound should I continue down this exclusive path for too long.

One last thing: when I start using a "pivot feel" to "hit" the ball, the clubshaft will slowly but surely start falling underplane in the downstroke. Is the remedy for this just going back and forth between a "hands" feel and a "pivot" feel? That seems to be what's worked in the past.

Time is short, Robot Buddy R2D2, so let's cut to the chase. You are a goodplayer, a better player than almost anybody in the world -- don't get a BigHead because 99 percent of the Golf World can't break 99. But, at your levelyou want to know how to make it great -- and break 70 consistently! Iunderstand.

Now hear this....

You are not 'setting' the Rigid Right Wrist Bend of the Right Forearm FlyingWedge at Impact Fix and then holding that Rigid Right Wrist Bend throughImpact. Or probably anywhere else for that matter. If you were, given youryouth and dedication to the Game, you would not be posting on this -- or anyother -- Site.

You come to my school, and I will show you how to move the Club. Up and Back onPlane. Down and Out through Impact. With a Magical Right Forearm Flying Wedgeand a Motioness Bent and Level Right Wrist through the Both Arms StraightPosition of the Follow-Through.

Or...

I will give you your money back.

I will need to visit Yoda at the swamp once again!

ICT

Two for the price of 1! Right shoulder explodes to boost right triceps!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=492&highlight=right+shoulder#post 492

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"the Pivot brings the Right Elbow to the Release Point and then you fire?"

As a beginner hitter, what i am doing from the top now is applying #1 pressure to the left thumb and every thing starts automatically. I guess not at the stage of controlling, sensing when to apply the thurst.

From your comment, does it means that I should work on using the right shoulder down first (since pivot brings ..) or using the left hip shift first?..

Currently I have difficulty making my left arm straight after impact when playing ( have no problem on the driving range), i guess my alignment is wrong on the course.

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Originally Posted by rwh

Just so that I'm understanding correctly, the Pivot brings the Right Elbow to the Release Point and then you fire?
Yes, Bob. From the Top, the Pivot Transports the Power Package to the Release Point.

Then, and only then, does the Right Elbow Fire.

On the range Hitting

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91587)

Refining the technique!

Impact Fix, Steady Head glaring at ball, EA, Trace Club-head Path (important), RFT, Right Shoulder through the ball (waggle above the ball, watch the face), Pick-up FLW, and drive the right shoulder through the ball or at the Aimpoint. :)

Targeting is precise.

60 degr.= 95 yards
52 = 110
PW = 125
9 = 135
8 = 145

3 hybrid = 180
2 wood = 220
Driver = 240-250 yard carry!

Level Left Wrist makes more solid contact, ball position is important, hands further ahead at Both Arms Straight increases distance and makes a lower trajectory.

The deeper the shoulder drive DOWN, the further the ball goes. Waggle to get comfortable and assure the club head tracing!

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91602)

waggle above the ball, watch the face

ICT

I've been impressed by golfgnome's practice swing over the ball in a couple of the videos here, he said he was monitoring Hinge Action. I still have to work on incorporating that to my routine but when I'm feel "off" on the course I do a couple of short swings monitoring the Hinge Action and in general the next stroke is much better. So maybe you could try to watch the arm (Hinge Action) rather than the club face ?

Interesting point, may we discuss this?

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Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 91606)

I lay down two orange plastic rods as extensions of the Baseline of the Plane and EA/RFT at about a 35 degree or 40 degree angle covering the club head Path, I think this is the Angle of Approach. I then waggle emphasizing the club face. I waggle from Impact Fix and it feels very inside compared to Tracing which is a Swingers technique as you know.

The Swinger's Tracing feels like I am throwing my # 3 PP over my shoulder and a slight tug with a stationary head explodes the ball about a club further though I do not have a lot of confidence as to where the ball would go.

On the course, as a hitter, I just waggle the club face over the ball from Impact Fix and as long as my head is stationary, the ball performs as expected, either straight, fade or draw and some trajector modifications which are exciting. My hits yesterday were very heavy and deep and my question will be about accurate distances off grass usually. Any other insights are appreciated.

:read: :idea1:

ICT

Real clear! Now we need to do it!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120&page=2&highlight=right+should er

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For both Hitters and Swingers, the Pivot Loads the #3 Lag Pressure Point during the Start Down. This insures that the Body will lead the Power Package into the Downstroke and offers assurance that it will continue to do so into the Finish.

For Hitters, the Loading is maintained on the Aft side of the Shaft. Since the Right Forearm supports this Loading Action, this procedure simultaneously Loads the Bent Right Arm. Led by the Hip Slide (parallel to the chosen Delivery Line), the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn takes up the initial inertia -- the disinclination of the Sweet Spot to follow.

But...the Shoulder Turn is slow, and its ability to continue the Downstroke Acceleration soon pales in comparison to that of the now Loaded Right Triceps. Accordingly, the Right Shoulder early in the Downstroke ceases to apply Thrust. Instead, its Action (actively doing work) becomes merely Motion (permitting, but not causing, other events to occur).

It thus becomes the Launching Pad -- the 'recoil' platform -- for the Driving Right Arm.[/url]

Etzwane, Lynn, JG, Kev, Daryl, OB, Ted, Jeff, Whip....I got it!

Working with plastic sticks and Impact bag the Tracing for Swingers always produces a Horizontal Hinge, while the RFT done correctly produces an Angle Hinge. I'll save the Vertical Hinge until I start breaking 65 (LOL!)!

The Hitter bumps and rolls that right shoulder, while the Swinger plants the left heel leaving the EA wedges where they were and "spins that metal block gyroscope" leading with that right shoulder decimating the ball.

I like Ted's highly delayed Pivot just feels very solid and controlled and I love taking the Swing to shoulder height as it feels like I have forever to explode the ball.

Now for the short game!

ICT

Played today-82! Dropping elbow or driving # 3 PP but Level left wrists in stroke and chips is key, with good intentional, aim PP # 3 putting.

Thanks for posting this Air!

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Hip thrust, elbow drop, right knee to 10 o'clock, drive PP # 1, drive PP # 3, roll your belly button, roll your back shoulder, goat humping, side arm frisbee throw, sidearm baseball throw, but the intentionality must be there! To paraphrase Lynn, 'you see the cup on the shelf (Impact Plane Line) and you reach for it (Delivery Path, Aim Point?)! Your body cooperates'! INTENTIONALITY and UNDERSTANDING.

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Swing Toward the Plane Line Not Toward the Target
Originally Posted by teach

...what would be the difference between the target and the plane line? Would they not be along the the same line?
The Impact Plane Line is in front of you and down on the ground. You swing the Club Down and Out toward that Plane Line and through it toward the Low Point Plane Line.

The Target, on the other hand, is well to your left...way out there...somewhere. Steering the Club on a Line to that distant Target is completely different than swinging Down and Out toward the Plane Line down and in front of you.
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91706)

Thanks for posting this Air!

Hip thrust, elbow drop, right knee to 10 o'clock, drive PP # 1, drive PP # 3, roll your belly button, roll your back shoulder, goat humping, side arm frisbee throw, sidearm baseball throw, but the intentionality must be there! To paraphrase Lynn, 'you see the cup on the shelf (Impact Plane Line) and you reach for it (Delivery Path, Aim Point?)! Your body cooperates'! INTENTIONALITY and UNDERSTANDING.

Could you explain this goat humping business? What section(s)from (12-1-0/ 12-2-0), component No. (8-1/12) and alignments from 12-3-0 are relevant?

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91706)

Yup read the definition of Pivot in the glossary.

Hey have you heard of "crush the can"? I like it . Given the "body cooperates " hands to pivot , intentionality you mention above: in training (prior to ingraining) you could "crush the can " with your left leg and "side arm the frisbee", Right Arm Throw (Hitting). Once you get the left hip over the left shoe perfectly, which the crush the can move automates, its hard not to pivot. The body will "cooperate" to facilitate the on plane travel of the right forearm or hand path. Im not saying the Pivot isn't work , effort , action but most guys way over do it and/or do it off balance. Gotta get left first , then turn.

You tried the "stork drill"? Standing on your left leg with your right pulled way back, hitting balls at about 3/4 strength. Being left makes contact easy. You can dial down your excess pivot motion while doing this drill then take that new motion to your real shots. The pivot, Zone 1 , job 1, critical though it is , isn't as big or effortful as it appears to the eye or the camera. Its another of golfs illusions.

Wax on-Wax my opponents!

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 91711)

Yup read the definition of Pivot in the glossary.

Hey have you heard of "crush the can"? I like it . Given the "body cooperates " hands to pivot , intentionality you mention above: in training (prior to ingraining) you could "crush the can " and "side arm the frisbee". Once you get the left hip over the left shoe perfectly, which the crush the can move automates, its hard not to pivot.

You tried the "stork drill"? Standing on your left leg with your right pulled way back, hitting balls at about 3/4 strength. Being left makes contact easy. You can dial down your excess pivot motion while doing this drill then take that new motion to your real shots. The pivot isn't as big or effortful as it appears .

I am standing on my left leg right now as I type this much like Ralph Masacio in "Karate Kid." I am in a crane position! :dance:

Seriously, thanks OB, the image of right leg pulled back. That is how I first discovered the joy of pelvic thrusting, that, and there was this Canadian girl when I was 16...long dark hair ....good singer...Shaniah....:liar:

ICT

More clarity!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1863

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Lag Loading In Pivot Strokes
Originally Posted by tongzilla

And yet the Hitter is Drive Loading and the Swinger is Drag Loading, even though both have this initial Pull by the Body (starting from the Feet -- gear train effect) at Startdown?
Yes, both Hitter and Swinger use Pivot Lag (Hips lead Shoulders in the Downstroke) to Load the Power Package (via the On Plane Right Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4).

The essential difference between the two is what is being Loaded and how. The Hitter Loads the Right Triceps to Drive the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Hands at the Top to resist the motion of the Backstroke Turn per 7-19-1. The Swinger Loads the Left Wrist to Drag the Club through Impact, and he does so by using the Shoulder Thrust to Snap the Club onto the Lag Pressure Point per 7-19-3.
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Thanks for the post Air! Thanks again, Lynn!

ICT

Where in the world is the plane?

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Thanks for the photo and discussion. Hopefully my measurements are close enough and I am not being too precise but here are some observations of the photo positions and a question. Would appreciate your comments or clarification from a zero shift perspective.

1 (O)-A line drawn through the two hand positions to the ground does not intersect the plane line.

2 (O)-The hands at address are below the TSP.

3 (O)-Considering the sweet spot plane and the address shaft plane both pass through the "hands/PP3" and assuming the right forearm rests on the appropriate plane, that plane is flatter than the TSP. Or, the right shoulder turns to a point that is not on the "preselected plane" (ref. 10-13-D).

4(?)-In the downstroke, do the hands return to the address position or move down the TSP?

My plane is in # 3 PP!

This is very interesting Air! Thanks !

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ordinating the Pivot and the Right Forearm Takeaway
Originally Posted by 300Drive

Thats nice to "say", but, what do the pros DO? I submit that the overwelming majority do STT, not RFT.

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You're right, 300Drive. Most pros do use a Shoulder Turn Takeaway. It's the way we were taught: "Take it back low and slow."

Unfortunately, at the very least, allowing the Shoulder Turn to dominate the Start Up puts the Stroke on an Elbow Plane, which is Flatter than the ideal Turned Shoulder Plane, thus requiring the Plane Shift that Drewitgolf refers to in his post above. In many cases, it actually puts the Club below Plane, an Off Plane condition that must be corrected no later than the Start Down. Both scenarios earned Homer Kelley's Warning Label:

"...the disruptive Shoulder Turn Takeaway -- which is always too 'Flat' and/or too 'Low' making a Plane Angle Shift mandatory and usually unintentional and unsuspected."

When integrating the Right Forearm Takeaway into your Stroke, just be sure to maintain the separate identities and alignments of the Three Zones. In fact, I recommend you practice your Zone #1 (Body Control) independently of Zone #3 (Ball Control). Spend time in drill -- use a mirror and look, look LOOK! -- training first your Pivot (to Turn the Right Shoulder back to the Plane) and then your Right Forearm (to Trace the Plane Line).

Then put the two together, but always...

Let the Hands control.
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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91793)

On my way to the range will report back-but the Thrust against PP # 3 can only be gathered by "an equal and opposite reaction." Trying it will report back!

:rolleyes: I feel like a bit of an idiot Air. Do you know the joke about 8 blind men trying to describe an elephant?

I have been looking at this upside down! The end of the story is "driving PP # 3 through China!" That's the answer!

The question, which covers everything else we talk about here, is "How do we drive PP # 3 through the ball?"

That's all there is to it! How do we drive pp# 3 through the ball?! We Swing, Hit or combine both. That is why Lynn is always telling us that the golf stroke is as easy as reaching for a glass of water, umm because it is! :laughing1

That is why Homer's descriptions are so focussed. He reverse engineers everything from that moment, imho.

Now, I know there is a lot more to it than that, and Lynn and others understand I am simplifying to make a big point clear, but really, one moment is all we are talking about- PP # 3 through the ball!

I know Impact is not a station but that sort of proves my point. Impact is the train station we all wish to travel through on our way to the TRUTH! :read:

Anyway, that moment of impact is like killing a cornered Tiger with a yard-stick. We can see the tiger but so what, the work is tricky!

I learned yesterday that RFT, Tracing, dropping the elbow, rolling the shoulder, turning the shoulder, thrusting the hip, pulling the handle, pulling PP # 3 to the Aiming point, throwing, swiveling, set-up etc. are all done more clearly at speed!

I do feel like a bit of an idiot!

ICT

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91809)

I'm not sure if I understand what should make you an idiot. If you are an idiot - what does that make me??

# 3 PP should be so sensitiv and light that it can register the lag pressure in the downswing. It's not a death grip - on the contrary, I think.. at least for a swinger.

Two eights and a seven = 94. Got too cute shooting at several pins and the ball went through the greens to places and bunkers I had never been in before. Angled Hinge allowed me to shoot at pins but I'm still Hitting 5 and 6 irons at pins so I have to remember to hit shorter shots and let them bounce and release to the hole. I also am rolling into new fairway bunkers I could never reach before. Played with "turning left" ala Hogan and Swinging and got solid contact with better distances. Guess it's time to pick an approach and learn to navigate with it!

Pretty Neat huh?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56204&highlight=wheel+rim#post562 04

Stationary Head and Pre-turned hip, Angle Hinge, and Cross-line Thrust. 2 putts a hole, chip it close with Angle Hinge,

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armourall wrote:

Yoda wrote:

armourall wrote:

golfingrandy wrote:

armourall wrote:

golfingrandy wrote:

armourall wrote:

Does your Hitting procedure include a pre-turned right hip?

If you are not using a pre-set or pre-turn of the hips in Hitting then you are incorrectly applying the procedure.

Randy,

I have to admit I still don't get the necessity of a pre-turned right hip. If my right elbow easily clears the right hip with the hips square (I also use a delayed hip action), are there any other reasons why the hips would need to be pre-turned? Since your assumption is that my procedure is incorrect (and it may be), are there other "warning signs" that would tell me my takeaway is flawed?

I would never be so presumptuous to state that your procedure is incorrect (now the 4-barrel disscusion is another story ).

If you are Hitting and you do not get the right hip out of the way, the path of the hands will be very similar to a fish hook. I like the lawnmower example.

Same is true on the downswing if one does not have a positive hip movement, the hands will go around. Hitting is straight line. The reason is that this is the only way to avoid CF in Hitting, which would be desirable. When one allows CF to creep into there Hitting procedure, soon throwaway will be present.

Remember, which has been stated here and elsewhere, that Homer preferred the hands for Hitting to begin at their impact location and that one would use a frozen right wrist. So go to that alignment and try to take the hands directly to the top without getting the right hip out of the way.

Randy...

OK, I've tried to INTENTIONALLY make my right elbow collide with my right hip on the takeaway (starting from my normal hands at impact position), but no matter what I do, it clears. Any ideas why I'm getting away with it? (I frequently use a flashlight to trace the plane, and I'm dead on.)

Armourall,

First time I've seen this stuff. Sorry to be so late getting here.

I think the reason you are having so little trouble with your Plane Line Tracing is that you are Tracing Plane Line of 10-5-A. This is the Plane Line Traced by the Swinger using the On Line Arc of Approach Procedure. Here the Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpful but not essential.

However, when Hitting, you should be using the Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E. This is the Plane Line visually Covered -- not Traced! -- by the Hitter using the Cross Line Angle of Approach Procedure. Here, unless you are transparent, you must Clear the Right Hip or you will be unable to Cover this Steep Plane Line and properly Fan the Right Forearm.

But doesn't 12-1-0 specify 10-5-A for Hitting?

Good question, Armourall. And a complete answer provides the opportunity toclear Major League Fog.

You have correctly and perceptively observed that the Square Plane Line (10-5-A)is listed as the Plane Line Component (#5) for the Drive Loading Basic Patternof 12-1-0. In contrast, my post recommended the Closed Plane Line (10-5-E). Themissing link is Homer's dual purpose in creating the Basic StrokePatterns of Chapter 12.

His first objective was to present the Basic Uncompensated Stroke forboth Hitting (12-1-0) and Swinging (12-2-0). The second was to permit theplayer to interchange those patterns -- both when learning them andin using them in actual play -- with a minimum of disruption totheir original Basic Pattern. To accomplish this second objective, he variedthe respective Components only as absolutely necessary to accomodate thenature of each, i.e., the Push (Drive Loading) or the Pull (DragLoading).

The Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A is the true Geometric Plane Line andas such, it is the Basic Delivery Line for both Hitting andSwinging(2-J-3). Swingers actively Trace -- point at -- this Straight Line asthe simplified alternative to Monitoring the Curved Arc of the ClubheadBlur through the Impact Point and Low Point. In Tracing the Straight Plane Lineof 10-5-A -- the On Line Procedure -- the Swinger automatically producesthe correct Visual Arc of Approach (2-J-3-A)-- the curved Path of theClubhead Blur -- through Impact.

As stated above, Hitters may use this same Basic Delivery Line. In sodoing, they likewise will produce the On Line Arc of ApproachProcedure. However, unlike Swingers, they have an additional option, and thatis the Cross Line Angle of Approach procedure. The Angle ofApproach is that Straight Line drawn between the Impact Point and Low Point(2-J-3-B and Sketch 2-C-1-#3). As long as the Clubhead passes through those twopoints, the Angle of Approach and the Arc of Approach are Geometric Equivalents.

The Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E can be erected on the Angle of Approach, and itsBaseline (by definition) will cross the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A and pointto "Right Field." It is not practical for the Swinger to use thisalternative Plane Line to Deliver the Clubhead into Impact. This is because hesenses a Circular "Wheel Rim" Whirling Motion of his Orbiting Handsthrough the Three Stations, i.e., from the Address to the Top andthrough Impact to the Finish. This Swinging Motion is much bettersuited to the On Line (Arc of Approach) Procedure and is best produced byTracing the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A.

The Hitter, however, does not experience the Wheel Rim sensation of theOrbiting Hands. Instead of a 'Swinging' Motion of the Hands in theBackstroke, he senses a 'Carrying' Motion. And instead of a CircularWhirling Motion through the Ball, he senses a decided Straight LineThrust (of the Driving Right Arm). And this Thrust lends itself ideallyto the Cross Line Angle of Approach Procedure.

For the Hitter, then, the two Procedures -- On Line (Arc of Approach) andCross Line (Angle of Approach) -- are interchangeable. And to satisfyHomer's second Stroke Pattern objective -- as much consistency aspossible between the two Basic Patterns (Drive and Drag) -- he listed theSquare Plane Line of 10-5-A as Component #5 for both. He also advised that theplayer should avoid customizing either until the "expert" stage wasreached. If you have not yet reached that stage, then stay with 10-5-A forHitting.

However, if you have, then per 2-J-3, the Cross Line 'Hit' ispreferred to the On Line 'Hit' and the customization of the Basic12-1-0 Pattern is warranted. The On Line 'Swing' remains the preferredProcedure for 12-2-0, whether the player has reached the expert stage or not.

And this brings us back to Square One -- the need for the Pre-Turned Right Hip.Interestingly, both Stroke Patterns list the Delayed Hip Action (10-15-B) asthe Basic Hip Action Component (#15). Its Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpfulto players using the On Line Swing because it assures that the Hipwill be properly Cleared in the Backstroke, thus permitting the Hands toexecute the mandatory Three Dimensional Backstroke (2-F). It also offers more 'RightForearm Fanning' room in Start Up than the Standard Action of 10-15-A.

However, while the Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpful to the On LineSwinger it is essential to the Cross Line Hitter. His Closed Plane Lineproduces a Cross Line Clubhead Path and with it, a Right Hip—Right Elbowconflict. This Path (and its problematic Hip—Elbow conflict) may be preciselyidentified by observing the On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach inImpact Fix and the parallel Clubhead Angle of Approach through Impact.And the curious fact is that your Hands simply will not take the Club backon that Line if your Right Hip is in the way. And it is! You can tell them-- out loud if you wish -- that you will move the Hip immediately in Start Up,but they will not believe you. As Homer used to say, "The Hands just won'tbuy it." And so they just 'go around' the Hip and take the Club Off Planein the process.

So, if you're going to Cross Line Hit, you must Pre-Turn theRight Hip. And since the Pre-Turned Hip is perfectly acceptable (and even advisable)for On Line Swingers as well, Homer made it the Basic Hip Action Component for bothBasic Stroke Patterns. Why should you have to spend years learning andusing Standard Hip Action -- with On Line Swinging or On Line Hitting orboth -- only to find out that the Pre-Turned Hip of Delayed Hip Action ismandated by the more sophisticated Cross Line Hit? And then be forced to startall over again learning a new Hip Action Component and then integrating itinto your Basic Pattern? Or else forego The Joy of Cross Line Hitting.

You see, Homer knew long before you did that you would be following him downthis road, and he wanted to make your transition as easy as possible.

Pretty neat, don't you think?

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Reporting in... Hitting front 9=49 yikes short w/bad chips! Swinging left =42 on back 9 with one birdy, 4 birdy attempts and 1 over for my last 5 holes!

ICT

I didn't realize this but should have. thanks Air1

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It also felt like it was just in the perfect spot for everything to happen. Hinge action, uncocking left wrist, rolling. etc. Just amazing.
That's the feeling, Nathan.

When the Right Shoulder, Right Forearm, and #3 Pressure Point drive the Lever Assemblies (Left Arm and Club) toward the Plane Line (1-L-#10), all at right angles to the Clubshaft/Sweetspot (1-L-#11), there are no conflicting alignments. Then, the Downstroke becomes one cohesive Motion from the Top to the Finish with everything 'all lined up.'

As Homer Kelley said of that serendipitous moment...

"Where did all the noise go?"
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On the range-hot 93 degrees, sticky, air like soup. RFT-Angle of Approach-best distance and control (splitting targets) combination. Lag, drag mid-body hands stepping left-hit fades all day 2nd best distance.,

Tried throwing my right shoulder at the baseline (Impact Fix, after RFT) of the plane-ball went higher and shorter so I moved the ball back in my stance, way back to guaranteed inner quadrant strikes as the club came down and got straight balls with pretty good distance. Had to monitor the path of the club face to be certain of Impact but now I understand how better players seem to come much more DOWN on the ball and the ball is much more back.

My accuracy is fine for hybrid through wedges with Angle of Approach and small fades. I need to improve my chips and putting and buy an RPG to use as a driver! LOL! ; >

Also had a lot of fun last night imitating Lynn's vertically uncocking left wrist video and the difference between Hitting and Swinging (with Ted Fort). It was fun throwing my left wrist at the Plane and having my right shoulder ... "Spin, spin, spin like a flywheel... And it's rather quick" And my ball did behave ... "a whole lot differently." Indeed, it was a nice high flight with a little shorter distance, very smooth impact feeling, very accurate.

I have to remember to keep my left wrist flat at Impact Fix and not allow that quarter turn as if I were Swinging and remember the alignment of # 3 ( with closed web) in line with PP # 1 (left thumb).

I need to work with this!

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Yes this is the stuff of dinner conversation. Food for thought.

Hank Hanney's book I believe outlines a right wrist throw. We G.O.L.F ers wouldnt be able to do it, our right hands kept level throughout the swing, our Right Forearms Flying Wedges intact. You can not throw something that isnt cocked after all. Hank teaches right wrist cocking I imagine. You could maybe push it, on plane with an actively extending right elbow but then we'd be in the Lab and not in this fine dinning room. On Plane, Sequenced release and thrusting anyone?

With the left hand turned to the plane the G.O.L.F er can if he so chooses throw the club shaft downplane, actively uncocking the #2 Accumulator Angle. An on plane hammer like uncocking with the Left Arm Flying Wedge remaining intact. Vertical left wrist motion as opposed to Horizontal. Both Wedges are intact actually. A non Automatic Sequenced Release that on camera will, interestingly, often show a later release for the former downswing blackout , sweep release types. And some added zip to the ball.

Its all about overtaking again and how to do it correctly. Impact Alignments. The left arm blast off ensuring that overtaking doesnt happen until after Follow Through, both arms straight. But without a trace of "hold off". Especially if you actively employ a Throw. You cant hold off and throw out at the same time, I dont think.

For me personally, when I start flipping it early I check my Lag Loading but also make sure Im employing a Throw. As if my Impact Alignments need a little help from the Throw Out action to make it all the way to Follow Through with out the clubhead scooting past the hands. Thats where Im at these days anyways.

More to try!

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Originally Posted by bantamben1

lynn do you purposely not have much hip and shoulder turn in this stroke because it is an acquired motion.
Whatever has to move, bantamben, moves. If it doesn't have to move, it doesn't.

The Hands dictate (the alignments).

The Body complies.

That said, because of the camera angle, there is more Turn of both the Hips and Shoulders than meets the eye. Compare the first row of frames (1-3) with the fourth (13-15).

But the real key is Downstroke Pivot Lag.

My Hips Lag my Shoulders going away, and then my Shoulders Lag my Hips coming through (Delayed Hip Action / 10-15-B). The Downstroke differential between the Leading Hips and the Lagging Shoulders -- specifically, the Right Shoulder -- creates a Pull that Loads and then greatly assists the Delivery of the Power Package Down Plane to Release (6-B-4-C). From there the Swinger Throws Out the Club with Left Wrist Uncocking Action (10-20-E) and the Hitter Drives Out the Club with Right Elbow Straightening Action (10-20-B).

I'll be busy this summer!

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Homers notes
Hi People, Just retreived an excerpt from Chucks original forum.

Enjoy and embibe the note of Mr Kelly.

As posted by Chuck in the original forum:

Homers notes:

Homer Notes

These were taken off a series of audio tapes with Mr. Kelley conducting an AI class. This post is fairly long but I think everyone will enjoy.

NOTES FROM HOMER'S AUDIO TAPES

Homer states on these tapes that all of the research is now complete with the printing of the 7th Edition.

Feel no concern for the PERFECT STROKE. There are trillions of
precision patterns with totally correct alignments and relationships, perfect for some application or preference.

Pivot components should ideally match Delivery Lines with either "ARC" or "ANGLE" of Approach procedures. Starting any other way leaves the Delivery Line to the right of the target line -- in other words, outside in.

Downstroke Hip Motion is always parallel to the Delivery Line.

Downswing using Arc of Approach -- swinging -- "wheel rim" -- visual arc procedure, starts with Hip Slide parallel to base of Inclined Plane.

Downswing using Angle of Approach -- hitting -- "wheel spoke" -
straight line procedure, starts with Hip Slide to inside aft quadrant
of ball.

The amount of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the more pronounced the slide is. The more upright the plane the more subtle the slide.

In the Geometry of the Circle the only thing that is not a straight
line is the circumference. Everything else is straight, chords,
tangents, radius, diameter, plane. Etc. There must be a constant
center and a constant radius. The proper geometrical relationship of the circle to the line must be established to produce a workable
procedure for applying a circular force to a ball so as to produce the same reaction as that produced by a linear force.

The Right Forearm indicates Plane Angle and must stay on Plane in the backstroke then down Plane either on "ARC" or "ANGLE" of Approach. The MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM dictates that the forearm traces the plane during the backstroke then traces the delivery line and visually parallel to the approach angle on the downstroke. There is also a "feel" of the right forearm "pick up" on the backstroke with extensor action. The Right Forearm cannot become on Plane until the Right Elbow becomes on Plane. The minute the right elbow gets off plane the forearm also leaves the plane. The left arm is almost useless except as accumulator #4 in pivot strokes. The release comes as the left arm leaves the chest.

Ball position is relative to the Plane and determines the actual Angle of Approach of the clubhead. Farther back for flatter, forward for upright. Ball position is also dependent on the design of the golf club and the individual.

Always strike the ball before full extension of the lever assemblies.

The Basis of Rhythm - Left arm and clubshaft in line according to the Hinge Action. Swivel of the left wrist must not exceed Vertical to the plane at Impact. The alignment of the clubface is the result of Hinge Action.

1. Grip
2. Aim clubface at target.
3. Use railroad track procedure to align the Machine.
4. Ball location -- always right of low point. Low point is outside
edge of left arm.
5. Practice swing.
6. Check Impact Fix -- Apply Extensor Action throughout stroke.
7. Shoulders turn just enough to keep the club on plane.
8. Hip Slide starts the down swing.
9. Power Package must move together through Impact.
10. Impact alignments must match Impact Fix.

Release Motions are not part of the stroke components. There are (2) motions -- Uncocking and Rolling. Swinging with a Horizontal Hinge the roll comes AFTER the uncocking! With Hitting with an Angled Hinge Uncocking and Rolling happen at the same time. Swingers and Hitters both drive the sweet spot at the inside aft quadrant of the ball on an Angle of Approach! Release motions -- uncocking and rolling -- are sequenced for swinging and simultaneous for hitting.

Compression Leakage is the result of off-center Impact, a misaligned clubface. The ball will always leave at a right angle to the clubface. The ball has to have backspin to create the Venturi effect.

Educated Hands are those that can feel the resistance of motion --
CLUBHEAD lag. If the #3 pressure point is lost then "LAG" can not be sustained. The hands must control the pivot! Have the #3 pressure point completely replace the CLUBHEAD, take #3 to the ball. The heart and soul of G.O.L.F. Is developing a swing based on the hands. Teach Hinge Action without Body Motion.

RECOMMENDED INSTRUCTION PROCEDURES

BEGINNERS: Basics -- (Samenesses)
Basics -- chapters' 2,7,8,9,14.

Beginners: The following simplified approach includes only the most basic Components. These alone can produce a fine game and is the solid foundation for a full course.

Use a strong single grip with a Punch Basic Stroke. A Turned Shoulder Plane and a single Pressure Point combination ( #3), with Zero Wrist Action, ( Hands remain in Impact Fix position throughout the Stroke (no Turning or Rolling) and with Drive Loading.

INTERMEDIATE, ADVANCED: Variations -- (Differences)
Variations -- chapters' 10,11.

FORMAT FOR AUTHORIZED INSTRUCTOR TRAINING

Basic Curriculum -- 3.5 days -- Swinging
Intermediate -- 3 days -- Hitting and review of Swinging
Advanced -- 3 days -- combination of Swinging and Hitting 90% of
training done outside.

Instructor leads student through the test by covering each question and the answers. This takes approximately 5-6 days with about 10 hours daily.

Read preface and chapters' 1,2,3, reference number by reference number. Make sure students understand the process of learning on chapter 3. Then go to chapter 4 and 5 -- hand and wrist positions.
Chapter 6 -- lecture showing accumulators -- read from the book with no club.
Chapter 7 -- lecture covering the 24 components.
Chapter 8 -- show the separation of the stroke and the 12 sections.
Chapter 9 -- Actual lesson going through the 3 zones. Show these
before swinging the club. Zone #1 -- without a club. Zone #2 -- short strokes with Accumulator # 1 only, no wristcock. Zone # 3 -- watch for steering, drive club at ball -- downplane.

Hand Action controls Hinge Action. Rhythm is the basis of Hinge
Action. Angled and Horizontal Hinging BOTH swivel through to plane and to finish. With swinging the swivel happens between "release" and Impact. Hitting, no swivel at this interval. Differences in Hinge feel -- Horizontal -- roll, Angled -- no roll, Vertical -- reverse roll. Wrist Action -- happens prior to Release. Hinge Action -- happens during Impact. Swivel Action -- happens between the two.

There are (4) acceleration periods:
1. Start Down -- Shoulder Acceleration.
2. Downstroke -- Hand Acceleration.
3. Release -- Clubhead Acceleration.
4. Impact and Separation -- Ball Acceleration.

BENT PLANE LINES are those that are either outside in or inside out. Impact must be inside out but unless the CLUBHEAD crosses the base of the Inclined Plane it is NOT an inside out stroke.

NOTES FROM HOMER:

1. Keep your body ahead of your hands and your hands ahead of the club.
2. Effort is not power.
3. Hitting is pushing and swinging is pulling.
4. Goal: A one piece total swing.
5. Improve one step at a time, start with the pivot.
6. Laws enforce themselves.
7. To be consistent, you must apply extensor action.
8. The swing is circular but the check points and references are
straight lines.
9. The magic of the right forearm: Cocking the left wrist without
cocking the right by bending the right elbow.
10. 1/16 of an inch of bend adds one ounce of effective mass.
11. On plane right shoulder -- feel as you hit the ball with the right
elbow.
12. The second axis tilt gets the right shoulder on plane, feel the
club coming out of the center of your back.
13. Learn alignment golf not position golf.
14. You feel alignments not positions.
15. Learn where the right forearm is at all times.
16. Let law do it -- Law: Never takes a day off.
Never gets tired.
Does not care who you are.
Always available.
17. "Cause and effect" - Should be "cause and means". Find the means or way to utilize the laws.
18. Let the left arm BLAST off the chest after it moves on your chest in the back Swing.
19. Body brings full club on the ball.
20. Know the difference between address and Impact.
21. Learn full swing at slow speed.
22. I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it.

Endless Belt - The change of the clubhead from Linear motion to Angular Motion. The clubhead and belt (hands) travel at exactly the same speed, however there are (2) different surface speeds between the pulley and the clubhead. The belt (hands) speed never changes but the clubhead speed increases as it goes around the pulley. The hands act as the belt they must not speed up, slow down, or become jerky. The hands do not change speed during the release. The smaller the pulley the slower you can swing. The later the delay the slower the hand speed. The faster you swing the harder it is to keep the club from flying out.

Law of the Flail -- Centrifugal Acceleration, Centrifugal Momentum, and Centrifugal Deceleration.

The Physics of Rotation - The body acts like a rotor. Any rotating
mass will make every effort to move on plane and on line. You must tilt the axis in the downstroke to bring the shoulder down plane. I.e.; leave the head still and move the bottom of the spine to create the 2nd axis tilt, sliding the hips.

The Flying Wedges - The Left arm and Right Forearm are the primary agents of the Flying Wedges. The Left Wrist is always vertical and flat. The Right Wrist is always level and bent. Both are open to rotation.

Putting stroke -- You must go to the both arms straight position, or at least straighten the right arm. If the right arm stays bent the putt will miss to the right, a push. Arm Action Only Putting gives Maximum Alignment Control. With a completely motionless Body use a Push Basic Stroke. Hinge Action control of Clubface Alignment is far more important than Clubhead Path and it must be monitored through the Hands - never directly. Never deviate from the MOTION of the Pattern so that Lag Pressure (for distance) can get full attention. Absolute Zero Wrist Motion is imperative!

Hula Hula - This flexibility allows the right forearm to remain on
plane and keeps the shoulder motion and hip motion independent. Keep these (2) separate.

Hip Action - The hip action turns the shoulders in various
combinations. But leading the backstroke with hip action is Pivot
controlled Hands. Hip action is work and must be controlled.

Hip turn -- The hip turn allows action but does not perform action. It is a product of knee and hip bend. All hip turns shift weight.

Knee Action - Proper knee action allows the second Axis Tilt. The hips will not slide if the legs are straight. If you straighten the left
leg at Impact the left hip comes upward, then the club comes upward -- straightening up on the ball -- Compression Leakage. The knees must stay flexed, through Impact, to allow the Downward Motion of the 3 -- Dimensional Impact. The proper amount of knee flex is determined at Impact Fix. There must be enough to allow the Right Hip to clear and the Right Forearm to point at the Plane. Knee flex also determines the amount of Hip Slide. The less bend the more restricted the Pivot and Hip Slide will be in both directions -- the more upright the Plane tends to be. Head position is also determined by Impact Fix.

The Basis of one swing is Basic Geometry.

The flexibility of THE GOLFING MACHINE are the use of variations. Any variation that is not listed is under the "X" classification. If you use this classification the component must fit within the parameters listed in the catalog. In other words, if it is not in the book, do not use it!

Bent Right Wrist -- If the Right Wrist flattens it disrupts Rhythm. So for every degree of loss, of the Bent Right Wrist, so does the clubhead want to be throwwn away. The swing should be shortened until you can come thru the ball with maximum Thrust and Acceleration.

When training Zones # 2 and 3, do so without a Pivot.

Zone #2 - Its primarly directive is power but the fringe benefit is
accuracy.

Pivot, Zone #1 - Always work on Zone #1 first -- components 12-17. This Zone provides throw out power just like a rotor. For the Swinger this acts like a launching pad. For the Hitter it is the back-up system for the Right Arm. Both must be properly sequenced. By varying the Pivot motion you vary the Plane Angle. Less motion -- steeper Plane, more motion -- flatter Plane. The shoulders job is to correlate and syncronize the Pivot and the Power train. The Practice Swing is a full rehearsal of the Pivot components, especially the Hips and Shoulders. A sharp Backstroke Turn, a Downstroke Hip Slide only, (before the Arm Motion begins) encourages "On Plane" Pivot alignments.
So its - Turn, Slide, Swing. The important thing is that the true
Swing Center for all components is a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground precisely between the feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time !

Zone # 3 - The path of the Hands, the motion of the Clubshaft, and the Alignment of the Clubface. Use Zone # 3 to apply force to the Ball to produce the proper response of the Ball.

Pigeon Holes - The 24 components are the "holes" and everything has its "slot" or place.

The Catalog - The foundation of the catalog are the 24 points in the swing where each item can be executed in more than one way. Therefore the 24 components.

Double Wristcock -- The bending of the Left Wrist at the top of the
stroke in addition to the Wristcock. The bending of the Left Wrist
puts the clubface in an "open" position. But, if the same Bent
position is taken at Impact Fix it is very "closed". From this Top
position the Wrists would have to be Turning - rotating clockwise -
during the Downstroke to achieve the correct clubface alignment. This is the exact opposite of what should be happening, and produces the exact opposite result. Disaster!

Impact - This is the point where Clubhead Lag is in its greatest
jeopardy. Keeping the Head behind the ball is not the complete
solution. You must keep the head and the Ball behind the hands. Their essential relationship is with the Hands - more than with each other.

Left Arm or Right Arm - If the Right Arm Drive propels the Left Arm
Lever Assemblies, it is still a Left Arm Stroke because the center of
the Clubhead Arc is the Left Shoulder. It is merely Right Arm Powered. But - if the center of the Clubhead Arc is at the Right Elbow, then it is a true Right Arm Stroke, the Bat. Right Arm thrust can add considerable yardage for an out and out Swinger, provided its tendency toward Angled Hinging is recognized. Pivot Thrust can add about half as much increase in yardage for an out and out Hitter provided its tendency toward Horizontal Hinging is recognized.

Shoulder Turn - The shoulders turn only enough to keep the Hands and club on Plane.

With Zero #3 Accumulator you always have an Angled Hinge, Rhythm, and Travel.

Minor Basic Strokes - Are all based on Arm Motions not the Hands, even with Zero Pivot. These Strokes are used in combination with Major Basic Strokes. Major Basic Strokes are determined by the Right Elbow position.

Scooping - Is an element of Steering and it is this Below Plane dip of the clubhead - not dropping the Right Shoulder - that produces most of the "fat" Impacts into the turf behind the Ball.

Plane Line Equivalents - Although the Base Line of the Inclined Plane is the true geometrical Plane Line it is not the only Delivery
Reference Line available. Actually there are three straight, and one
curved, completely equivalent visual (what the eye beholds) reference lines for guiding the Clubhead into Impact during specific Delivery prodecures. That is, it is practically mandatory to always use - IN BOTH DIRECTIONS - the following combinations for Procedures and Visual Lines:

1. The visual "True Arc" Delivery Line and the orbiting Clubhead with the Circle Path Delivery.
2. The visual "Angle of Approach" Delivery Line with Drag Loading
(Swinging).
3. The basic "Aiming Point" Delivery Line with Drive Loading (Hitting).
4. The "Left Arm Swing" Plane Delivery Line with the Flip Release.

The term "Delivery Path" is the Hands only. The term "Delivery Line" is the Clubhead only.

With the "Angle of Approach" Delivery, Momentum carries the Clubhead "Above Plane" after Impact - the "Arc of Approach" tends to hold it "On Plane". Check this out completely. All this is a "Last Ditch" effort to generate the On Plane Inside-Out Impact - because unless you do learn it NOTHING ELSE MATTERS - OR WORKS!

Lag Loading - Drive Loading calls for the Angle of Approach procedure which requires:

1. Pre-turned Hips at the Takeaway.
2. A sliding Downstroke body motion (lateral Hip slide toward the
inside aft quadrant of the Ball).
3. A Line Delivery Path.
4. The Right Forearm tracing the Angle of Approach (Cross-Line motion).

Drag Loading calls for the Arc of Approach procedure which requires:

1. Delayed Hip Action
2. A rotating Downstroke body motion (lateral, parallel to the Delivery Line, then rotational Hip movement parallel to the base of the Inclined Plane).
3. A Circle Delivery Path.
4. The Right Forearm tracing the Arc of Approach (On Line motion).

Reversing the above natural groupings is not recommended but neither would be difficult. And the Right Forearm - NOT THE CLUBSHAFT - in both groupings has the alternative of tracing the true Plane Line instead of their Delivery Line.

Aiming Point - At the Top of the Backstroke - even at the End -
mentally construct a line from the Hands to the Aiming Point. Let a
careful Downstroke Pivot move the Hands precisely along this line
they will "feel" as though they remain at the top of the Stroke. Don't question that Feel - just sustain (monitor) it, all ready for Release at the preselected Release Point. Drive the Hands (Clubhead Feel) "down the line" until both arms are straight, NO QUITTING! This procedure merely utilizes a long used method for drawing freehand straight lines between two points. Using the Clubshaft as the pencil is an effective equivalent.

Punch Basic Stroke - This is almost exclusively a Hitting procedure and Hip Control is a must during Pivot Strokes for Right Elbow location control.
Pitch Basic Stroke - Elbow Position is not so dependent on Hip Motion or location. Hand speed can be much higher, the Pivot more effortless and Triggering more delayed for minimum Accumulator #2 Release Interval.

Elbow Basic Plane Angle - Normally, the Right Forearm will be moving at right angles to the torso - which are the unexcelled alignments for Right Arm Power and On Plane "Throw Out" action. The Elbow Plane is normally a Pivot Controlled Stroke.

#3 Power Accumulator - Maximum Power - Bring a Turned (instead of Vertical) Wrist to the Release Point, greatly increasing the Lag and combining the resulting Wrist Roll with the drive of the Clubhead Lag Loading. Delaying this Rolling Release so that it becomes a smooth continuation of the #2 Accumulator Release is superior to their simultaneous Release.

Maximum Trigger Delay - Hold the Right Hand "palm up" until the last instant and using either Downstroke Lag Loading or Drag Loading procedure with a Snap or Flip Release. A Left Hand version is an On Plane Flat Left Wrist "Karate Chop" at the Aiming Point with the edge of the Left Hand.

#4 Power Accumulator - Maximum Trigger Delay - Use either the Standard or the Delayed Pivot to increase the Lag of the Downstroke Shoulder Turn to discourage any tendency toward an Arm Swing by either inactivating the muscles of the Left Shoulder or by temporarily overpowering them with the Thrust of the Shoudler Turn.

Muscle Power - Power Package Muscle Power is ideally 95% Right Triceps. The Right Triceps and Pectoral can handle the muscle requirements of the Downstroke and need no help from those on the left, whose feeble contribution makes any such thing as a true Left Arm Power source pretty much a myth!

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http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10601&highlight=delayed+hip+actio n#post10601

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#9 is so key. It is the foundation of all strokes. The bending of the right elbow controls the left arm and the extensor action on it.

Lynn, the image of the right arm shooting into space if the two hands were to come apart, nailed the concept of 6-b-1-d. Even though I 'knew' what extensor action was, I now 'own' it.

Working on how to Hit the ball with my Right Shoulder and Air had a great thread!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3427

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From the Top, with your Hip Turn leading (Hip Action), turn your Right Shoulder toward the Ball. Done correctly, this procedure can produce Maximum Power (6-B-4-A) and Maximum Trigger Delay (6-B-4-C) of the #4 Power Accumulator.

"Hit the ball with your Right Shoulder."

This action discourages any tendency toward an 'Arm Swing' from the Top with its premature Triggering of the Release (the lengthening of the Third Side of the Power Package Triangle, i.e., Right Elbow Action straightening the Right Arm as the Hands move away from the Right Shoulder). Unless the Pivot (via the Downplane move of the Right Shoulder) brings the Loaded Power Package deep into Release, it is very easy to "run out of Right Arm" through Impact, an automatic Throwaway.
Yoda,

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When your turn the right shoulder to the ball is it going down the plane at the ball or do you turn it toward the ball on a level turn?

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09-26-2006, 04:33 PM

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great ideas all....
provided the clubface (and subsequent hinge action) is where it needs to be...otherwise you can move the right shoulder toward the ball all day long but the results won't be what you're looking for...

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Yoda,

When your turn the right shoulder to the ball is it going down the plane at the ball or do you turn it toward the ball on a level turn?
That's right, Timm. From the Top, the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane and directly toward the Ball. This pulls your unaltered and fully-Loaded Power Package directly toward the Ball as well, thus preventing the early Release of the Right Elbow -- which occurs when the Right Hand moves away from the Right Shoulder -- and the problem of 'running out of Right Arm" during Impact (an automatic Throwaway Trigger).
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That's right, Timm. From the Top, the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane and directly toward the Ball. This pulls your unaltered and fully-Loaded Power Package directly toward the Ball as well, thus preventing the early Release of the Right Elbow -- which occurs when the Right Hand moves away from the Right Shoulder -- and the problem of 'running out of Right Arm" during Impact (an automatic Throwaway Trigger).
Yoda,

I messed around with this thought today and was able to real hit some nice shots. After awhile I lost the feeling. My problem is I use to much right arm and release the elbow to soon by the time I get to impact my left arm is straight with no forward lean or right wrist bend. Would you have any drills or suggested reading from the book that could help me work on using this procedure. I've used the right arm so much trying to extend it to get power that my elbow is always sore to the point that it hurts to hold any thing over a couple of pounds(like my 19 month old daughter). Anyway I would be interested in learning the correct hip and shoulder action to build this into my pattern. Still not sure if I’m trying to be a hitter or swinger so can this me used with both. I know this will only get me to impact but I’ll need to work on the hinge action to control the ball.

Thanks
Timm

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Originally Posted by Yoda
From the Top, with your Hip Turn leading (Hip Action), turn your Right Shoulder toward the Ball. Done correctly, this procedure can produce Maximum Power (6-B-4-A) and Maximum Trigger Delay (6-B-4-C) of the #4 Power Accumulator.

"Hit the ball with your Right Shoulder."

This action discourages any tendency toward an 'Arm Swing' from the Top with its premature Triggering of the Release (the lengthening of the Third Side of the Power Package Triangle, i.e., Right Elbow Action straightening the Right Arm as the Hands move away from the Right Shoulder). Unless the Pivot (via the Downplane move of the Right Shoulder) brings the Loaded Power Package deep into Release, it is very easy to "run out of Right Arm" through Impact, an automatic Throwaway.
Yoda,
Would you consider doing a a short video of this procedure? I am trying to make this my swing thought for the 1st move down and would like to make sure I'm doing it properly. Thank you.

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Yoda,

Would you consider doing a a short video of this procedure? I am trying to make this my swing thought for the 1st move down and would like to make sure I'm doing it properly. Thank you.
Hi Dale,

Check out my Start Down Waggle in the Jeff Hull / Lynn Blake Video Series. It's in one of the later segments. That is exactly how the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane -- courtesy of the Hip Action -- and that is all the attention I have ever paid to it.
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So, today at the range I'll be concentrating on my "Angular Hip Thrust" trying to use my Angle Hinge effectively. I will also use a Tracing/Swinging/Aim Point method to gain some consistency using a Horizontal Hinge by using my Pivot and guiding my right shoulder in shooting at the ball (ala Lynn's DVD).

It is very funky trying to Hit a draw with an Angular Hip Thrust! LOL! It is like a semi-snap hook on purpose depending on the angle of the closed club face! OOHHH! I'll have to see how controllable that snap hook can really be!

Have to include: 11. On plane right shoulder -- feel as you hit the ball with the right
elbow.
12. The second axis tilt gets the right shoulder on plane, feel the
club coming out of the center of your back.

Also, I was playing last night with a very hard pinch of PP # 3 and will have to see the limits of that feel.

Putting it together through PP # 3!

Well, if it isn't moron moment number 67?!!!

The 'Pressure Point # 3" works better when you put pressure on it!!!! Who knew?! I didn't, 'till today! :exclaim: :idea1:

So, when I shot my 77 and 80 recently, I was very aware of controlling my "Carry Back" to shoulder level with a flat non-rolling left wrist. I was determined to pick my left arm straight up from a level left wrist. :thumleft:

Today, though I pinched my PP # 3 straight out at every chance I got! Basic Motion chips, pitches, Acquired Motion. I felt the heavy lag of the club-head and I felt it under control and wouldn't you know, by maintaining that "positive, heavy contact" with the club head, I picked up a club length an great control!:read:

So I "Carried back" the club with a flat left wrist pinching #3 PP. My right wrist stayed bent and left wrist stayed flat. My whole Power Package Assembly felt unified and heavy. From Impact Fix with a delayed hip turn, I Carried Back and used and Angular Thrust focussing on the feels of driving the back elbow to the ball, and finally the right shoulder to the inside quadrant of the ball.

I can feel the pinch being directed to the inside quadrant of the ball! :laughing9

So feeling that, and driving the right shoulder down to the ball, I noticed how far (over a foot) my hands shot past Impact to Both Arms Straight! Very slight Carry Back to barely my shoulder and then driving the pinch of PP # 3 down to Peking via watching the shoulder shoot to the inside quadrant. Bent right wrist was totally frozen and able to be driven DOWN to the ball (out and forward).

Accuracy was excellent.

I was able to show the flying Wedges to a struggling gentleman next to me who commented on how often I shot the ball right through the goal posts down range. Within a short time he was chipping to bare grass spots straight in front of him and picking his distances. He asked me questions as I showed him that the same wedges plus a forward swivel was used for Acquired motion with the driver, hybrid, 7 iron and such. I showed him the angular thrust of my hip to the inside quadrant of the ball and elbow thrust and shoulder thrust.

One of the best range sessions in a long time!

ICT

"Welded" probably does not equal "pinch." Lynn's hands are so well-educated, he might have forgotten (though probably not), his first attempts to track down PP # 3.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56273&highlight=Pressure+Point+%2 3+3#post56273

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This Clubhead Lag is the very slight -- that's why the darn thing is so illusive! -- Lag of the Clubhead (Sweet Spot) in its desperate attempt to maintain its straight-line relationship with the #3 Pressure Point. It is thatLag -- from Sweet Spot to the #3 -- and the Stress in the Clubshaftthat results that is the Clubhead Lag.

I think I am very close!

"Pinch" of # 3 allowed me to hit the ball further and more solidly. No roll, clean and place day!

RFT and right knee was ending trigger. Right shoulder and right elbow did not work but right to the ball had me spanking my shots on balance.

Lots of wet sand! Course playing long, 4 traps got out each time but went nowhere! :( I have no idea of what to do in wet sand! Finally left my 60 degree sand wedge alone and took the 52 degree took sand first and normal wedge shot but still 4 traps = 7,7, 6, 6, :rolleyes:

"Putting my chips" dead on line-very encouraging but started hooking my putts could not buy a first putt! Left many chips too far away in 10' land.

45/43 ugh!

In wet sand, use the sharpest wedge you have. I like a 60 degree with minimal bounce... Take sand as usual, but aim for a shallow chunk of sand under the ball Keep the hands moving fast through the ball and accelerate through impact so the club doesn't bounce back up or stop, but slides under the ball. You should get a lot more back spin. Flip tendency is a death move in wet sand...

Awesome, BerntR!

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 91999)

So, it seems that it is the opposite of my normal technique of laying the club flat and skimming. The blade would have a more normal profile as it enters.

Thanks!

ICT

Just reviewed the tape of Lynn showing me how to putt and realized that my shoulders were closed all day!

Curses Red Baron! ; >