Just for clarity , I was agreeing with you that the shoulder motion is entirely different for Fly Wheel and Launching Pad. So what are we going to debate again? Shoulder motion for 3B Swinging vs 4B Hitting? Is that it?

You got it! ..... I say.... Hittin' is Hittin' and Swingin' is Swangin'....

OK me too generally speaking. Hitting and swinging are absolutely, positively different applications of thrust in Release. Pushing vs Pulling , right arm throw vs left wrist throw commonly, different directions of thrust even. But it is possible to Hit after a Swingers Startdown although Homer didn't like it much.

Is this the issue? Or are you saying the 3B Hitter who adds Pivot Thrust , a Right Shoulder Throw (making him 4B as I understand it) is adding a different Shoulder Throw than a Swinger would employ?

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Are the stick man, hitting and swinging figures from the above sticky threads available or is it just my conectivity?
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Right Kevin,

all of the young guns around me, they don't care at all about precision with the big stick they just hammer it out, if they're lucky they'll end up in some playable lies.

I wish I could wind my body like the youngster can but on the other hand, I play a totally different game on same holes and we start at the tee and meet at the green.

Tourgolf, besides the US OPEN is in my opinion much easier then amateur weekend golf, considering how often these guys loose a ball out there is a rough, that's quiet seldom the case.

What has become crappy is the length of the golf courses. I remember in 1998 I played teh disney courses in Orlando, right the week after the tour was there. It's truely a difference, what they call a green there (in tour set-up, no clue if it's still that fast) and what shots they do, I rememeber the last whole on the palm course the Par 4 with 440y and the big bunker left in front of the green...I had a good tee shot but still left with at least 190 yards over this bunker to the flag rigfht behind. with today's experience I wouldn't go for this flag and rather play a percentage shot, BUT these guys just use driver wedge for the same whole, the need to carry this big distance is the one that created the power in the game and vice versa.

Bucket. Even I don't understand some of my posts above.... come on back . Lets talk.

Back....define...."Swinger's Startdown".....then maybe we can talk....them are just words with not content....need some content.

10-19-C Drag Loading.

Please support your case how a Hitter can use this? Not saying it can't be done....but I need more than "cuz so and so said so"....

10-19-C DRAG LOADING Drag Loading is the Rope Handle Technique of the “Swinger,” an out-and-out PULL, striving to accelerate the Clubshaft lengthwise, from a quick Start Down to Release. Start the Club down as though it were being drawn from a quiver like an arrow – feathered end first. Maintain this motion until the Release switches ends. This is possible only if, and for as long as, Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own incidental orbit per 2-P and 2-K#5. Then further acceleration can be applied only at Pressure Points #1 to support the Pull on the Clubshaft – especially for Short Shot Power.

Develop an “Instant Acceleration” Hip Action (to the desired Hand-speed per 10-15-B) so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke sequence (6-M-1). See 2-K and 6-F-0. With or without Wristcock, always Drag (Pull 10-3-D) a swinging Club Down Plane – even with only Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum (2-K) See 10-23-C.

For Clubhead Throwaway prevention, monitor the pull of Centrifugal Force and Drag of the Lagging Clubhead.

Before we go any further . I need you to explain what you mean by the "I need more than cuz so and so said so". Is that in reference to the quotes from Lynn and Ted that I posted above?