Totally awesome post Mr. Daryl.

AWESOME post Daryl. You should be ashamed that you are not teaching and lowering handicaps in Chicago!!! :notworthy

Kevin

Prime time help
 

I will be dissecting this later. Thanks, D! Everyone.

ICT :study: :study:

Setting up to HH
 

How does the right forearm reach the Angle of Approach?


I have a few pictures of Standard Address and Impact Fix.

http://www.golfingmachinist.com.au/article.php?id=20

I managed to keep my Stationary Head last night, RFT and hook balls with every club from Standard Address. I hit all my clubs further but it was unnerving to miss so many pins left. :crybaby:

It is really hard to hook a ball on a simulator. From Standard Address, I just RFT'd. Should I bend my right wrist back to start the tracing and then continue to Trace or do I keep the right wrist flat, stiff and RFT or Trace? Is that causing the hook? Is that Angle of Approach the clapping motion that Lynn showed to Lou Holtz? Is that clapping motion achieved with the Hogan motion of returning his elbow to his side? It almost seems like the torso stays more stationary and the arm just RFT's and returns. I just realized I do not really understand the wrist positions other than to elevate both wrists at standard address. UGH!


At least I did not "flash" my hands, I don't think. I tried my version of Lynn'd elegant Swing. RFT to shoulder level and a little tilt up with my torso to "Spin, Spin, Spin" the vertically cocked Left wrist. It was amazing to me that such a small slight move could send the ball 210 yards on a simulator.


ICT

For a Mid-Iron and Swinging on the Elbow Plane, the Picture, as far as the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, looks about right. 10-2-D Grip?



Yes. Yoda, when he claps his Hands, is demonstrating the Right Forearm returning to the Angle of Approach but, for simplicity, he doesn't always demonstrate the Start-up Swivel. But you have choices: You can Swivel at Start-up, or During the Backstroke, or at the Top (10-18-C #1).

The "Mechanics" of the Start-up Swivel is to Rotate your Right Hand Clockwise before the Backstroke begins (during Start-up). This assumes that you're using the Right Forearm Take-away. The Swivel causes the Sweetspot of the Clubhead to lay against the Swing-Plane along with the Clubshaft. This occurs naturally and easily for a Swinger using 10-18-B Double Wrist Action. But consider this: if the Swing Plane is at 45 degrees, then the Rotation is 45 degrees. That's a very significant amount of Rotation which requires a conscious effort by Swingers using Standard Wrist Action.

The "Mechanics" for the Pre-Impact Swivel do not require a counterclockwise rotation. The Down-Plane straightening of the Right Arm insures that the Clubshaft rotates below the COG of the Clubhead and that the COG of the Clubhead will be Vertically Aligned with the Clubshaft for Impact.

If you're returning your Right Forearm to the proper Angle of Approach for Impact, and if you didn't use a Start-up Swivel, or Swivel enough, the you will Push-Pull the Ball every time.
If you're putting side spin on the ball, and I'm assuming that you're set-up is ok, then you're certainly Flashing your Hands.


"How does the right forearm reach the Angle of Approach?" Simple: Armchair Golf, by learning what it means. Position the Ball at Low-Point, Grip the Club in your Right Hand only. FULLY BEND, Level and FULLY SWIVEL your Right Hand/Wrist. Then; WITHOUT "Unbending", "Cocking or Uncocking" and especially without "Rotating" your Wrist counterclockwise, move your right forearm from right to left until the Clubface contacts the Ball. It has a long way to travel. When the Clubface contacts the Ball, then your Right Forearm is on the Angle of Approach for Impact and the Clubface should be imperceptibly almost square to the target.

Angle of Approach, Elbow Plane, Iron. (Steeper Angle)


Angle of Approach, TSP, Driver (Shallow Angle)


How does the Right Forearm participate? I'm in the early stage of producing a video about Right Forearm participation in the Golf Swing for Swingers (and Hitters). I'm having a great time doing it. I named my video series "Five Minute TGM". I'm hoping to produce a few of these "shorts" to demonstrate and explain some of the more basic concepts of TGM. They're becoming "How-to" Videos. In the First video, I've included "How to trace the Plane Line", and "Right Forearm Participation for Hinging" and "Sustaining Clubhead Lag". ALL in five minutes. :)

Hey innercity, if you, Jerry and KevCarter would like to participate, I'm scheduling the last week of June for shooting (vacation).

You can't afford a wide angle lens that can handle my body, but I can't wait to see your videos!!! :salut:

Kevin

You could have dibbs on being "Camera-man".

Dibbs on Camera-Man!

Awesome idea!
 

I'm free from June 22rd till the 29th when their is a golfing shindig in Hershey PA featuring Ted Fort, Jeff, Yoda, and another PGA qualifier. I have volunteered to work it for the Golf Channel so that I can pursue Winn McMurray. If you can use me during that window, I'll be there.


ICT

Push/Pull Management
 

I am pushing/pulling. I do not have a clue as to the Start-up Swivel so the odds are I am not using it or not using it enough. If I do this video with you, D, you cannot erase what Lynn will show me in April. That would be cruel. So we have to video a "before" and an "enlightened" artificial hip/educated hand!

I am going to look up a "Startup-Swivel," to see what I have been missing.

ICT

Starting a Startup Swivel
 

So,the Startup Swivel is like un-clapping and the Horizontal Hinge is like a level clapping.

Sheesh, how did HK put this all together? Lots more to learn!

ICT

The right move for the right wrist



So, we "clap" with Extensor Action. Wow! EA must be strong enough to keep the right wrist firm but loose enough to allow the clapping motion.


ICT

And a level explanation of a Horizontal Hinge

All of that is seen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDRTQvibHc0

ICT

Town of Bedrock
 

I'm proud of this video, Patrick, and the Part I that preceded it (from the same presentation). I did it on an impulse, knowing there was a need. Just set up a camera -- thanks for your help, Ted Fort! -- and rolled. Didn't even have a mike.

The night before I'd thought to myself: "Hinge Action is one of the three most important concepts in golf. Almost nobody knows it exists, and most of the few who do don't understand it. It must be explained, and if not by me, then who?"

Remember the time: Few had this information then. Sure, plenty of aficionados owned "the book", but you simply cannot learn this concept from the book alone, and there was no "guide" around. The concept, if discussed at all, was the stuff of chat rooms, not in depth explanation. Then came Lynn Blake Golf: I wear proudly the derisive star of "book literalist".

And when the worthy pioneers attempted an explanation, it was done only in terms of the Feels: Roll, No Roll, and Reverse Roll, with zero discussion of the underlying Mechanical Concept. Even then, they often got the Feels mixed up with the Clubface Motions. The few who attempted the Mechanical Concept almost always got it wrong. That's strong stuff, I know, but that's the way it was -- a great void.

Now many thousands understand. All over the world. Lynn Blake Golf has made a difference, a big difference. Yay!!

The principles I demonstrate are timeless. Other younger men and women may do a better job in the future -- if so, my purpose has been served -- but for now, this gets it done.

Thanks for the 'front and center' bump.

:salut:

Timeless. Amen.

We may keep learning without fear of obsolescence.

Kevin

Decoder Ring?
 

If I get to understand some important things and use them correctly before April, Lynn, I hope to take the super-secret "Decoder Ring Exams." That's the cherry on top of the ice-cream sunday of SHOOTING PAR WHEN I WANT TO BECAUSE I CAN!

Seriously, in reference to Par, the Horizontal Hinge is something I must do on command to have any hope of real compression and distance and I know that. Even trying the HH has increased my driving distance by 20 + yards though it is Pull/Push as Daryl has aptly explained so I must be flashing my hands. Nevertheless, with a little open stance, it is controllable. And considering my lack of knowledge and being on this great site, I will get better.

If I hit more down, the flashing of the hands won't matter right? (Just an idea.) if I start my Sweep right away, when the club face (left hand) rotates, it'll be the natural consequence of a vigorous down thrust!!!! :think:

I just don't get how smoothly the pro's perform! I stood behind BG at Aronimink for 30 minutes watching and I pet my dog with more vigor than he uses in one Swing! :BangHead:

Anyway... Cuscowilla will be a blast after the Masters. :angel1: :golfer3:

ICT

I hate this video because it describes my old swing very well. Vertical karate chop down with the right hip back and big time horizontal hinge.

Problem was that sends your plane line well out the right and unless you take the weakest of weak grips its going to be Hello Mr Snappy, and at best lots of blocks. When your hand comes down like he describes doesn't that pull the right shoulder under the plane?

Confessions Of A Book Literalist
 

I do not agree with Tommy's methodology here (except possibly as an exaggerated 'feel' to help keep the student's right shoulder ON Plane during the Start Down). I teach using the Pivot -- not the Arms -- to transport the Loaded Power Package to Release.

For the correct conception, go here to a post I wrote just yesterday:http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...2185#post82185.

And, while we're discussing this video, Tommy also presents another confusing picture: A stick on the Clubface held vertical or horizontal has zero to do with the proper mechanics or conception of Hinge Action.

One of the reasons TGM is so confusing is that its Basic Concepts are often presented by well-meaning instructors in very confusing ways. Almost always, these bastardizations have little in common with Mr. Kelley's book. So many teachers, in an attempt to 'simplify', put in their own little 'twist' and thereby hopelessly mangle the concept.

In my opinion, it is far better to remain true to the original concept and way it is presented in the book. Communicated, of course, in each Instructor's own unique way (but not at the expense of the concept itself). But then . . .

That's just me.

:salut:

What's wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this? Doesn't the club face and the left wrist always point in the same direction - in these 3 types of hinging? :think:

Holding the Flat Left Wrist Vertical to one of Three Associated Planes (Horizontal, Angled, Vertical), imparts the same Alignment to the Clubface.

If TT's Clubface had "Zero Loft" while demonstrating the Clubface-Stick example, it would be more valid for explaining the effects of Hinge Action. ??

Do your quotes confirm or disprove what I said? :?

Confucius Say, "It's Confusing."
 

What's "wrong with Tommy's way to illustrate this?" Here goes . . .

He's not illustrating 'this' -- Hinge Action -- he's illustrating 'that'. 'That' being his way of differentiating a laying back or closing Clubface using a rod stuck on the face of the club that finally becomes vertical (to the ground) or horizontal (to the ground). [As differentiated from the true concept below, the use of "to the ground" in the vertical action is deliberate and not a mistake.]

I'll grant that the rod makes the Clubface Motion more obvious. That's why I use and have fun with the super-large clubhead you've seen in some of my videos. But -- and here's the rub -- relating the precision Hinge Pin alignments of Vertical and Horizontal to the "vertical" and "horizontal" position of the rod makes me cringe.

Axiom #4 of the 21 axioms of The Machine (1-L) states that the Hinge Assembly (and its pre-positioned primary Hinge Pin) controls the Clubface alignment. The Hinge Pin is mounted Vertical to one of three Basic Planes: Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical.

Let's talk Horizontal Hinge Action for a moment. Tommy's rod on the Clubface becoming parallel to the horizontal plane, i.e., in a "horizontal" condition, has absolutely nothing to do with the true concept of Hinge Action. In fact, the rod becomes "horizontal" only at one point.

In true Horizontal Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin (a theoretical, not biomechanical, concept) is always mounted vertical to the ground (the horizontal plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always closing.

In true Vertical Hinge Action, the Left Shoulder Hinge Pin is always mounted vertical to a wall (the vertical plane). This Hinge Pin mounting produces a Clubface Motion that is always laying back.

The Golfing Machine is hard enough already. "Short cuts" that confuse the issue do not make things easier. In fact, they serve only to confuse and, in the long term, make a true understanding even harder.

In your study, I implore you to find a competent instructor. One-on-one with an expert, complex concepts quickly become simple. But, as this post proves . . .

Going at it 'solo' can be a tough experience.

:salut:

Finding a competent instructor is the least of my problems...

:golfcart:

Twister Comin'
 

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Air.

One trip from Norway and another one coming (all in a span of only six months) is evidence of your commitment.

Your airfare is booked, and your Cuscowilla accomodations are reserved. See you in March!

Soon, the Norwegian snows will melt, and the dark of winter will turn to the light of spring.

Your golfing buddies will be ready for some "Air".

:toothy1:

Then . . .

They'll "reap the whirlwind".

:shock:

I expect us to learn all about it -- here in your own uncensored thread -- at LynnBlakeGolf.com.

:salut:

Sounds like a good plan.
From October to March, but the same off season. Almost unreal.:think:

SnowBagger
 

:eyes: :-D Stay with me, Air. This will work . . .

10 United States dollars (USD) = 55 Norwegian Kroner (KON).

Now, given 1 USD to 5.5 KON, what kind of odds can we get?

Who cares!?

I'm in for 5 USD.

Maybe more.

Call me.



:golf:

I can't say I understand what this means or what I should call you about. I pay my (US) bills in dollars. No problems there, I believe... :whistle:

What Happens In Cuscowilla Stays In Cuscowilla
 

I was talking about backing you in a small wager when you next tee it up against your unsuspecting friends.

8)

Oh. I have no experience in that department.

In Norway we an old saying: Don't sell the skin before the bear is shot... :o

Un -bearable loss of compression
 

Since I am one of the greatest "threadjacka's of all time," it is only fitting that I become a victim of it, often. We are speaking about the Horizontal Hinge.

Air, have you ever HH'd on purpose? Did it hurt? :laughing9


ICT

I probably don't give it enough thought .. so it doesn't hurt at all. :thumleft:

But I did ask if the FLW and the clubface always are pointing in the same direction in the 3 different hinging actions - which has been my understanding with or without Tommy T. - but now I am even more unsure about this. What's your take on this - to keep the thread on track.

The club face is pointing where your flat left wrist is pointing.

That's what I thought. Does that mean that the whole hinging business is to put the FLW/clubface in the right position to obtain the hing action one wants - horizontal, vertical or angled.

One More Time
 

The conceptually-mounted Shoulder Hinge Pin effectively moves into the Flat Left Wrist.

Accordingly, the Flat Left Wrist now duplicates the blade of a hinge moving perpendicularly to one of the Three Associated Planes: Horizontal, Angled, or Vertical.

I cannot imagine how I could put it more clearly, especially in the light of the afore-referenced videos, Parts I and II, filmed and posted here five years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSugO...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDRTQ...layer_embedded.

C'mon guys. You've got to do the work.

:salut:

You probably have put it as clearly as humanly possible, but I'm a little slow on understanding the technical side of it. All I know is that to get the ball moving you have to swing the hands/clubhead and hit the ball in 3 different ways. The angle of the clubface - according to how the FLW is working will produce 3 types of shots (with the same power) - the short, high type (vertical) - the lower, longer one (horizontal) and the one in between (angled). If that works for me - I'll settle for that and let the theoretical understanding based on TGM live its own life (for the time being). The important thing is to get the shots (motions) done and the results one wants. Will that work...you think?