As mentioned, the key is the right elbow.

Keep in mind that startup swivel does NOT mean just letting the left wrist turn on its own per se.

It is the entire power package that is effectively turning - due to the right elbow being in a pitch position - with the right elbow staying relatively in the same place during startup.

By contrast, a hitter's power package doesn't rotate, because the right elbow does move during startup, back, up and in - along the line the right forearm is pointing at impact fix.

In both cases the shoulders have to move to maintain the structure of the power package and the flying wedges.

For the swinger, plane line tracing and not 'covering' is the key to preventing an over swivel. Often an over swivel is the result of trying to cover the plane line with the clubhead, rather than tracing it with a 'beam of light' extending out from the shaft.

Back, up and in.

Yoda said, "this left wrist is your bullet-proof vest..." or something like that.
 

:read: Long ago, like many others I'm sure, I would rotate my left forearm in imitation of Hogan's 5 Lessons. It always was on plane and sometimes, when I imagined the plane guiding the shot, I could hit two or three shots in a row. That was 15 years ago. I had no guide so I could not repeat the process. Now, thanks to TGM, I think I understand that the rotation of the left hand combined with horizontal or any of the hinges, allows a slightly angled or flat left wrist to act as a shield or insurance for the hitting motion. I believe Yoda said this here:

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http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...5&video_id=145

Orig post by Trig.

"Bagger really showed me to things. One was the feeling of the right wrist at start-up and then also how to fan the club to the top. It feels very strange to me. It feels like I must be opening the clubface wide but when checking the mirror it is dead on plane. I played again today and had my partner watch it and he confirmed it is dead on plane at the top. So I know what that feels like now and will get used to it. I struggled more today with the rolling through impact and pushed many shots right. I suspect it is because I'm not rolling hard enough as Baggger mentioned. I need a lot of work on this, it's all new to my motion."

I believe that there is no need to roll coming down, just hinge. Is that correct?

Patrick

You can only Hinge and Trace so much. Through impact really. Assuming Horizontal Hinging say, you need something to get your Left Palm off the Inclined Plane and over to a place where it is perpendicular to the Horizontal Basic Plane.

For some it is a feeling of a long continuous Swivel. You cant align a long continuos Hinge Action for full swings. You can only align the Left Hand perpendicular to a Basic Plane whilst aligning the shaft or sweetspot to the Plane Line for so long. Short shots you can do it, it is the ideal, in fact. But not long.

Hi Bagger. Somehow, my curiosity has driven me to several posts here.
 

My GSEB has shown me the hinges contolled by the shoulders with a back pocket pivot ( my sense of it) while using a level handle until the plane swings up.

I've noticed that by tracing the straightline planeline with my vertical left wrist, my right forearm fans and elbow cocks and seperates from my hip as my shoulders turn. Are you talking about the same mechanics in your quote below?

When I do RFT, I doublecock the heck out of everything!

Thanks.

Pat

The shoulders must turn. If they don't, it can lead to all kinds of issues.

Get that right shoulder 'back' to the plane and you'll find the RFT quite helpful :)

I just took my club out of my room closet.
 

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I'm so happy. Shoulder than RFT! Sometimes, I can be so slow!

DURRRR! :iamwithst :newbie:

Thanks very much, ED!

Pat

Sorry I missed responding. Looks like Ed has you on the right track.

If you need more, go to the "drills" section and look for RFT lessons using badminton rackets. Wonderful stuff.

"Horizontal hinging through impact"?
 

(The swivel is a forearm rotation) has helped me but can someone explain this next statement"horizontal hinging through impact".

Picture a swinging door - the door swings open and closes. Your flat left wrist/clubface is doing the same with HH. A different action than a swivel where the left arm is rolling over. Yoda has nice video on the 3 different hinge actions.

thank you- I think the information is starting to sink in a little.

Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!
 

So, I use EA and roll to my top letting the plane flatten. Coming down with a horizontal hinge that is non-automatic?

That will produce much more out on the downswing and not much more hook?

Pat

Hi Bagger. Thanks for your many videos and contributions, here.
 

I wanted to focus on the "straightening right elbow left wrist roll relationship" while using Extensor Action.

I have been trying to employ this combination of components since accidentally discovering how quiet and still my head and upper body remain using such a downswing. Also, the simple mechanics of the mostly upper body motion leave me feeling a lot better physically, after playing golf.

I employ the components as a hit and have discovered the essential nature of pp#4 leading such a downswing as a slow, heavy move. I think it is called a "sweep." My question is about the experience of others who have tried such a move.

1) Can a person drive the ball far enough to play competitive golf using this move, all things being equal?

2)Is an Angled Hinge more likely to produce a straighter shot or should I use the Horizontal Hinge making sure that the ball is a bit more forward and likely to produce compensating sidespin?

3) What pros use this combo if any?

4) What wobbles are presented by these components and would you be kind enough to suggest a few insights to counter those wobbles?

If you have answered this elsewhere, please just give me the thread and I'll get it.


Patrick