I appreciate everyone being sensitive to VJ. He's been checking in as recently as today.

I'll shoot him a PM.

Dude . . . the book's for sale on the net. VJ goes into very indepth detail ala equations etc. I don't think the proverbial cat has been let out of the sack or nothing.

Looks like to me this is great press. It's way more than the hips going left . . . there are great drills, science, pictures . . . if you are a student of the game and a fan of Mr. Hogan . . . BUY THIS BOOK NOW!!! It's the best of all the books on Hogan's mechanics IMO . . . and I got 'em all. And best of all . . . . it's something EVERYBODY is capable of doing.

Bagger, 12 piece, RWH, Martee...and the rest of you guys, thank you. I appreciate Lynn and his crew for opening up the forum to discussion on "The Missing Piece." No soliciting here; but thank you very much for the input on the book.

As you can imagine it took time.....lots of time. I have evidence and research that Hogan used his body to eliminate one side of the golf course with his pivot. This information is presented in the book...but you guys are welcome to discuss all the facets of his golf swing...and how it may be applied to ours. Afterall, I learn everyday; just as you.

The pivot is Zone 1 for a reason.

I agree with Bucket. Thanks to LB for announcing this book in it's first edition and for having such an unselfish forum. We're all connected. The book has been published. Everyone who has read it should be free to discuss it here. Very interesting book and destined to become very influential. Everyone who hasn't read it should buy it. Go V.J.! See you on the cover of Golf Digest in 2008...

No more secret...?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9vke_C8AWI

VJ,

Any information regarding Mr. Hogan told us about the GRIP (HAND #3) in your book?

Besides, I really want to have a copy with your signature on it...

Hogan's Lag Pressure
 

From KOC's clip: 01:24-26.

D-R-A-G your wet mop (from your Left Side) . . .

Via constant Lag Pressure (from your Right Side).

:)

Hogan's Heroes
 

And I thought I was the only Hogan nut to buy "A Hard Case From Texas".

12 Piece Bucket Pictures
 

Hi Bucket, the pictures were wonderfull. This first one at the top was
really great. The left wrist looks straight without the cup in the left
wrist. In the Life Magazine article, August 8th 1955, Hogan mentioned that the angle was only 4 to 6 degrees and almost invisable to the naked eye
which maybe why the angle is hard to see. The article says that the move
was backward and inward. The picture does not really show the inward?
In the book, Afternoons with Mr. Hogan by Jody Vasquez, Hogan explained
that the left wrist was cupped because it was the only position the wrist
could assume based on the the position of the right knee. Hogan was
looking for a body in balance. Now to V.J.s center of gravidty being over
the piovt axis, at the top of the backswing, I can certainly see better
balance. I am trying to see if their is a relationship of the cupped left wrist, presented by Vasquez to the slanted right knee that V.J. presents with photos and text. What do you think.
Donn

VJ,
Thank you for the input. I have read your book an started the tread. I appreciate te replies on the board.

moorejr12

Posting this on behalf of O.B. Left

"Great photos Bucket.

Here is another one for everyones consideration. Ken Venturi
appearing, to my eyes anyways, to be showing the "Missing Link" move
to Willie Mays in 1960.

If this really is the Hogan "secret" then perhaps Mr Venturi is the
surviving keeper of the secret. If it isnt the secret then I wonder
if Venturi would mind letting us in on Hogan's thoughts on the move.

Does anyone know Ken Venturi well enough to ask him?"

Not sure there's a connection other than trying to get it hook proof. He set it up so he could swing HARD and not have the ball go left. His pivot set up having a low point that was consistently infront of the ball and not moving all over the place ala 1-L #1. Holla.

Venturi
 

Ken Venturi was featured at a golf show about 8 years ago in Cleveland. He said he knew the secret, and that it was mental. Go figure. :confused1

UPP in rainsoaked Ohio

Mr. Hogan told me the Secret at a Waffle House in Nacogdoches, Tx. It's not mental. It's not the pivot. It's not the cupped wrist. It has to do with skattered covered chunked and collardided . . . and that's all I got to say about that . . . right now . . .

Look for my book soon . . .

Mr. Hogan
 

Mr. Hogan did work with a hand full of guys. John Schlee was one. He developed a system called Maximum Golf. He passed away a few years ago.

I think a couple of players that he may have worked with are John McHaffey, and Willie Wood. It would be interesting to hear form them. Of course, according to Jody Vasquez, what Mr. Hogan thought, or felt he did, and what he actually did... may have been a little different.

I love V.J.s book in regard to its theories about low point, center of gravity, axis of rotation, sequencing and the science behind it. The arguement for it describing the missing link in the Hogan secret is interesting but secondary in my opinion.

For me, V.J.s move is the most usable of all the secrets revealed to date. I've tried most of them, with the exception of the John Schlee "make your two arms one big arm" which never made it out of the airport I read the book in.

The Venturi photo tells me that he is familar with the "missing link" move. I'd be interested in his views and what Hogan might have said about it. Did you notice the caption below it where he says he "is giving Willie Mays a few pointers". This suggests to me that the move is high on his list of tips. Has anyone ever heard Venturi commenting on it in the past? You'd think he would unless he had good reason to not to.

O.B.

I just ordered my copy of VJ's book today , so i haven't read it yet, but I have a feel about the move from the posts above.

I like the photo but I think you might be reading a little too much into it... The caption underneath is what any pro golfer would write if he was pretending to give a pro baseball guy some "advice"... and a stationary shot of transition from that angle suggests only a transition move...maybe baseball...maybe golf...maybe Hogan secret move... but probably just 2 sports stars who swing something in a similar manner having a laugh in front of the cameras...

I am really looking forward to getting the book!!

Yes. You could be right. Venturi posing in a transtional move. But a nice one. Different. His center of balance, axis or rotation, low point all in compiance with the missing link. And all while he is still at the top. Like the secret, we'll never know I guess.

Enjoy the book, there is much more than we have discussed here.

O.B.

Mays Pic
 

Might someone please post the Mays / Hogan / Venturi pic(s) from this book?

I saw Hogan play about 15 times & his concentration and "management" was something to behold. His iron shots had a very distict sound similar to the loud crack of a rifle not a "pop" at all. He was an excellent putter, too. But his range work was absolutely unbeleivable...consistently flying golf balls into a dayum shag bag or hitting his shag caddie. It would an OSHA violation today!

Bh also not a total A**hole and had an affinity for Hollywood, movie, sport's stars. He shared his thoughts with allot of people. I'm convinced if BH said his cupped left wrist was his "secret" then he believed it to his very core. But even BH decsribed golf swing movements he "felt" he did that simply aren't supported by film. That's the fatal problem with this silly game.

Roy D.

Bucket et al......is the missing link move what actually stops the clubs backward movement? Do you have to be loose, loose,loose with the hands to really feel the rubber band stretch? Is this a fountain of youth move for the round belly set?



O.b.

Just got the book and from what I can tell it zeros in on HULA-HULA 7-14 Hip Turn and 7-15 Hip Action

Also, the explanation of constant ball position and low point, combined with Hogan's missing piece, explains how he eliminated the left side of the course.

Combine this with Clampett's book and you can put together a pretty good pattern.

20 Yards
 

Really got a kick out of a call last night. I gave a copy of the
"Missing Piece" to a friend of mind and we worked on it all last
week. My buddy played with his friends and hit the ball 20 Yds
further, even reached a par 5 in 2. His buddies asked about
what looked like a move to the left in his swing. He told them
that it was the "Stack and Tilt". I told him what V.J. said about
the "Stack and Tilt" and he said, "I read that, but Hogan never
told the S.O.B.s his secret and I am not about to tell them mine."

My buddy says that V.J.s bump to the right at start helped a lot.
My buddy is a fan of Homer Kelley and likes to think of the left shoulder
in terms of the #4 pressure point. The marked dowel helped a lot
to get a picture of the address, low point and left shoulder.

No offense, but your Bud needs to look at Hogan's swing just prior to his accident in '48 when he was dominating the Tour. He'd see that Hogan was in near continous motion from waggle to follow thru and actually triggered his backswing start with a very slight inward move of the right knee after he set his feet. It does give the illusion of his right hip moving or bumping onto his right leg. From there Hogan turns onto his rear leg but never straightens it.

Roy D

Favorable Results
 

I received my book last week and have been doing the drills since then. Today, I went to the range to try out "the move" and I love it. Getting into the recommended position at the top greatly simplified the downswing for me and produced a crisp and centered rotation through the ball.

I am pleased with the results and recommend the book. The drills are very easy to follow.

Trevino meeting Hogan...
 

Trevino said when he met Hogan who was
eating soup.. his friend introduced Lee
as the next great ball striker.....Ben just
looked down and kept eating.....

Morale of story: As Mr. Miagi in Karate kid movie
said: " SHOW "

Talk is cheap!


Jimma

I recommend it too
 

While it is a bit cold and snowy to try out the recommended move now (I live in New York), I did like the book very, very much.

It is a very quick read and the proceeds go to a good cause. The drills seem straight forward and I will give them a go when the weather warms up a bit more.

In fact I liked it so much I plan to give out several during the holidays to my firends who are Hogan fans. I am hoping to get a few signed by the author (I haven't called yet to inquire) and I know my boss will love it (big, big, Hogan fan.....He actually got to see him play a few times....A bit older than I am to say the least).

I can't tell you yet if it works or if Hogan did it all the time but I think the book is very well done and a great addition to your Hogan reading materials (I have them all).

I got it Today,
Great -thanks VJ:salut:
Mr Kelly says use the hip bump.
Mr Trolio confirms it.
Mr Blake does it.
Recently [last 5 years],as well as taking lessons from my club Pro[an AI] and various teachers from Georgia and Mississippi -[all AI's] I have also been "digging it out in the dirt".I have not had a lesson for about a year -but I have found myself getting closer to feeling i was "on my left leg"

The book confirms what has proved to improve my swing-together with the application of TGM.
Cheers Trolio and LBG :occasion:

P.S. I only bought 4 copies, sorry VJ but we can't have us Euros getting too good before the Ryder Cup!

Your vile hatred is palpable . . . rotten to the very core.

Do you not understand the magnificence of a great country that can produce . . .

BBQ'd Pigs

Moon Pies

Grape Sodaz

Vegas

Drive thru Beer Joints

Waffle House

Fried Wing Meat

Twinkeez

and the beat goes on . . .

It is better to be blind . . . than to have sight and not see.

Bucket, did you forget HOOTERS or have you not found it yet?

it's all the same to Bucket
 

In Bucket's world,

Waffle House = Hooters

I really don't see a connection!
But then -maybe "i have sight but can't see":laughing9

All of them? Care to make a list?

I will start. "Ben Hogan and Buster" by Art Barr Jr. If you have that one I will be very impressed.

Another Classic
 

How about Hogan meets the Bucket over Home Fries?

Who could forget that best seller?

UPP in almost playable except for the snow Ohio

Hooter's exploits womens . . . I go to classy joints like the World Famous Tiki or the Boom Boom Room

once again . . . you are vile pig . . .

Now THAT was funny!

Got the book Monday, read it in one looong swop. Tried it out the next day, and realized I was back to my junior swing.

There is one item I wish Mr. Trolio had addressed in the book. According to Jody Vasquez account, Mr. Hogan played with severly open clubheads, I believe they were 5 deg open. How does that affect "the move"? Playing with regular clubs, do I need to take that fact into account? Should I address, or "imapct fix" with a distinctly open clubface?

If you rotate the face of the club as fast as Hogan did around impact, then yes, otherwise, no need. Hogan built several face/slice type moves into his swing and game, the open clubs is just another weapon he had in his arsenal for kicking that hook. If you hit a hook no matter what, copy all his slice producing moves, if not, keep adding at your own risk. Of course all of these "slice-producing moves" worked so darn well because Hogan had some hooking tendencies, flat swing, quick clubface rotation, quick tempo, etc.

Wouldn't you just open the clubface if you needed to?:confused1

NOT -veerry niyce-High Five!

Self criticism-and a question.
 

This post was actually -very incorrect .Since no one criticised it ,I will.
Lynn does not perform this move IMO ,but after his hip bump he ends up in the same position.
VJ is not advocating a hip bump in the book .
It seems to me you can do either.
Does anyone feel that VJ's book is only for those who want to play a fade? or can it be incorporated into any swing?:golf: