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In a right arm swing, does the top of the shaft rotate underneith?
Do you load toward the right knuckle in the downswing from
behind the shaft? Does Rotating lag pressure apply to right
arm swingers?
Donn

Hey, old Yankee friend- I AM NOT attacking TT. His Swing Stroke pattern in the last chapter is very nice. I had questions and it seems they must stay under the rug.

I don't know another AI or TGM legend that hasn't been asked questions about what they teach. Our Friend Ben Doyle had been under the microscope for years and we all gained more insight to TGM from asking questions.

Since DG can't be approached, I'll put TT and his clips on the bottom of my list for the time being.

10 years?

With the swinging components...standard wrist action and a pitch basic stroke, the right arm is not in a pushing condition/attitude. See 10-3-D. If you don't have a copy of the book, I highly recommend you get one, you're at a disadvantage if you don't have a copy.

DG

I would like to say this is a very weak comment. Probably everybody on this site is a better golfer than Homer every was. Doesn't mean his contributions to the golf swing weren't amzing and worth learning. Also tommy was an old man and im sure he didnt play much big deal he hit a fat shot. Although i have never seen Mac hit one.

Thanks Ben for your input.

It will be a great day for TGM when we can get past the them versus us mentality....TGM should be one big happy family of golfers searching for the golf swing and or combination of golf strokes that enable them to play at their personal best. Leave the competition for the golf course...

DG

Searching is what many of us are doing. Maybe not for a swing stroke but for answers to TGM ideas. It is your "my way or the highway" answers that are unfortunate. The competition is in your eyes and your eyes alone.

No CR is total nonsense.......
 

The 12-2-0 swinging stroke that Tomasello taught had CF.....in fact, let's re-visit the 1991 GI interview and read what Tomasello had to say about CF.

GI: Are you saying the golfer has to do less with his body? Aren't there any physical requirments?

Tomasello: The only agility needed by the player is to be able to turn the hips--to pivot around a fixed point--and to lever and unlever the right forearm. The faster you can make these two movements, the greater the "CENTRIFUGAL FORCE" you'll build up and the farther you'll hit the ball.

Thank you very much Mr. Tomasello for clearing up the confusion.

Any new/old forum members who would like a copy of the Tomasello interview PM me with your regular email address for a copy.

DG

David..

Please Explain Active Wrist and release, ... whats your view on it.

It seems that any CF from a right arm swing comes not from the Flail but in the flattening of the right wrist bend from an active thrusting of the right arm toward the ball.


Someone posted that TT combines 12-1-0 and 12-2-0. What was used from 12-2-0?

hehe... that too...

But Homer says that a flat left wrist is not essential in a 10-3-K. I am only saying that the CF is not like the Left arm throw out- Law of the Flail procedure.

actually ~.~
 

And up till now.. I don't think he is teaching 10-3-k /7-19 right arm swing... Just because he Over-emphasize the right forearm does not mean its a right arm swing thus may had been mis-used. I never hear him mentioning the right arm swing actually...

TT did mention about the flail. wrist un-cock.. in letter 2 , 2.00 minutes...also somewhere in Austrailian series.

The thing which is really confusing is right at the end of letter about 15,10 minutes.. he mention he is teaching a PUSH basic stroke.... ok thats confusing haha. Then he say he is throwing it...

Right arm swing
 

I may be just an uneducated TGM beginner, but I think that TT clearly and explicitly demonstrates the difference between a right arm swing around the body and a hit out to the right field in video #5(power). Am I wrong or?

David,

he said it .. letter 2 , 15:10 minutes. Push ..

then later he said throw..

Long Right Arm
 

"Full Power with any golf club, you need to get that long right arm in there". TT

Primarily in TGM. The Left arm Swings with the left shoulder as the hinge the left side is the swing alignments, club face and the only side that swings. Right arms always pushing away in a swing or a HITand controlling the clubhead. The left arm can only swing.. The right can only

When the right arm swing... the right arm becomes the control of swing alignment. and the right elbow becomes the Hinge .. This is evident when we see the left arm and left wrist breaking down at impact

So I would like to confirm the very last thing.. Your opinion is the right arms is swinging and replaces the swing center ? for TT?... Sorry David, I am still a winnie bit confused what you are saying.

I personally think he is teaching the primary TGM method and he is not really swinging the right arm.. he is in fact pushing, or applying extensor action and can you point to me where he mentioned right arm swing in his video ?

Thank You.

Remember, I won't respond to miss quoted info.

DG

What was quoted? Nuke posted questions. Let alone misquoted?

Nuke, I don't see the right arm becoming the center of the stroke. I see more Hit with right arm throw using a swinger's pivot that keeps the left shoulder as the center.

now.. that i had been Misquoted... I look forward to be Un-misquoted :crybaby:

Wasted Words
 

Need I say more...

DG

Sideline it.
 

I would recommend you hit the sidelines.....read the book a number of times. And transcribe quotes from TGM videos word for word...when you return, quote from the book with reference numbers so we know where your analysis is coming from. Checkout Yoda, he is always referencing the book, a real master at it.

DG

sighhhh.. ok ..:sad2:

Some monkeys can re-type word for word. Better to understand the concept then be a parrot. I think you need to lighten up on this guy. Perhaps you will learn something new as well.

Actually Mike.. thats what I understood as well. Thanks for mentioning I am not a monkey or a parrot. I prefer to be human.

Right arm swing is not what TT taught. .. its different. The right arm pushes no matter what, the left swing, right side pushes or provide structure and do not swing, HOWEVER, the right forearms forms the FLYING WEDGE thus the MAGIC of RIGHT FOREARMS, thats all! its consistent with what TT said, and thus what TT taught is a left arm swing !

But DG kept mentioning the right arm swing.IF the right arm starts to swing, its a right arm swing. ITS DIFFERENT!. TT only mentioned SWING your HAND , SWING your CLUB, PUSH your club, push it down and out.. but he never mention SWING YOUR RIGHT FOREARMS.

No matter its a HIT or a swing.. both looks like to be swinging, just that the power generator is different. Well I learned something as well in the process.

PEACE !

My take on it leans toward 4 barrell swinging, some might say switting. A very effective pattern for many tho. Tommy definitely had a good thing here.

Nuke, you're getting kookie on me.

Like I said before, Nuke my friend you need a heavy dose of TGM study off line. I would take my advice. Your last post is again full of misinterpretations and typos. Don't know anybody with right forearms! I think ones enough....it's all the magic I can take.

Believe what you want to believe...but Tomasello taught golfers to use their right forearm to control the downswing for both hitting and swinging. I would watch every video and I mean every video of Tommy's, you're giving me the impression that you have only watch one or two in videos more than once and maybe watched the whole video series once if at all. It really takes multiple viewings for his instruction to sink in.

For your previous post misinterpretations, I would read section 5-0 several times and then read it 2 or 3 more times. Pay particular attention to the comments on HANDS. Then contemplate the word MONITOR. I believe the answer for you lies in Letter video number 1. Open sesame....

Then, go and read the complete "Tomasello Audio from October 1993 Three-Day School" thread on this site and you'll find all right forearm swinging. Yeee Hawwww

For a reality check....remember the world is round not flat.


DG

DG.. I have no audio tapes of tommasello, can you quote where he said he taught the RIGHT ARM SWING . Or RIght arm should swing. will sure appreciate it. I have read the video letter maybe 10 X or more and australian series a few times. but I could not find the word or statement "right arm should swing "

Even if I am wrong, you need to give me an exact reason and I was hopeful you correct it, but instead you gave me another riddle .

Hey if I made a mistake calling it a right arm swing, I stand corrected. However, Tommy is USING THE RIGHT FOREARM TO CONTROL THE SWING, A SWING THAT USES LONGITUDINAL ACCELERATION AND CENTIFUGAL FORCE. BOTTOM LINE.

Call what you will...RIGHT ARM SWING....4 BARREL SWING...LEFT ARM SWING. On my audio cassettes of my private instruction....Tommy is instructing me to use the right forearm to start the backswing and the downswing. As far as I'm concerned at this point, the swinging stroke that Tommy taught me in 1993 was 12-2-0 from the seventh edition controlled by the Magic of the Right Forearm.....Magic of the Right Forearm is mentioned in the Letter series....in the Australia videos he calls it SWINGING. But it's all RIGHT FOREARM. The lower body is not initiating START DOWN....IT"S THE RIGHT FOREARM. In 7-19, the basis for the right arm swing is Longitudinal acceleration and loosen wrists per 7-1 and right arm acceleration per 10-3-K.....sounds like a full power 12-2-0 to me.

You're agruement about a Right Arm Swing at this point....is water over the damn.

Do a search on Tomasello.....and Find my three day school post on Tomasello. Please feel free to comment on it....I would read through the whole thread. I have put a number of good posts in that thread.....all direct quotes from Tommy about using the right forearm. I have more.....but don't have a full day for the next 4 months to make cassette to CD transfer. I probably won't be making any more transcripts from cassettes because I almost lost tape number 2 (had to do minor surgery to it to bring it back to life, no data lost).....the next time those tapes are played is when I do the transfer.

DG

Right Arm Swing/4 Barrel Swing/Left Arm Swing
 

I will attempt to call Coophitter this week and ask him if Tomasello called it a 4 Barrel Swing.

My arguement.....I would think a 4 Barrel Swing would have Startdown initiated with the lower body and the use of pressure point #1 per 2-M-3.....and the Right Arm Swing would have the right forearm starting the club down at startdown.

I'm sure I didn't question Tommy about the 4 barrel swing when I studied with him, because a year later I asked Ben Doyle about the participation of the right arm in swinging and he sent me the 4 stroke patterns from the 3rd edition.....pattern 4....a 4 Barrel Swinging stroke pattern (10-4-D).

If anybody reading this know's Ben Doyle and could get his take on the difference between the right arm swing and a 4 barrel swing....I think the forum would appreicate it.

DG