The left hand
 

Into the last six minutes of the audio,Mr Kelley is instructing
you of the role of the hand. He has you doing an exercise in which your turning the left hand east to west. And tell's you
under no cirumstance does the hand roll in the backswing.


Correct me if I'm wrong,but doesn't this indicate that there's no rotation of the forearm? Wouldn't this be contrary to the
video's I've seen regarding the role of the left hand?

One final question couldn't one position the hands in there
place by turning the body and lifting the hands thus educating
the hands to do nothing?

Your Hands should Turn in the Backstroke, not Roll.

With Single Wrist Action (which is compatible with a Hitting procedure), the Turning of the Club is from the motion of the Arms and Body, rather than the Wrists itself. This may be what you mean when you say "educating the hands to do nothing".

No rotation of the forearm is what I'm asking about.

Two-Step Job
 

It has been some time since I listened to the audio. To make sure I understand the context of Homer's instruction, I'll have to do that first. When I've done this, I'll get back to you. Meanwhile, Tongzilla may already have provided the correct answer in his post #42 above.

Rotational motion of your forearms is the same as rotational movements of your wrists. For example, if you Turn your Left Wrist, you also Turn your Left Forearm at the same time. However, the turning of the Clubface that is induced by the turning of your Arms and Body is different.

Indexing
 

Lynn, you and Homer discussed indexing and you mentioned
through impact. I am not sure what indexing means. Could
you give a definition. Thanks, Donn

Back To the Future
 

Hi Donn,

I don't recall the reference to "indexing through impact," and I can't imagine what it would be. As I said in my post above, it has been some time since I've listened to the audio. And I still owe Thrust an answer to his question above. I'll get to it!

The Frist Question
 

Lynn,

How come that the first question you made to Mr Kelley was about knee action?

And how was your pulse when Mr Tomasello handed the phone over to you :bounce:

oophs, couldnt change the subject title

Donn,

I believe HK and Lynn were discussing "hinge action". The distortion on the 'phone/recording did make it sound something like "indexing".

Indexing
 

Thanks Flogger, you must be right. Donn

I asked Lynn the same question a few months ago. Of all the things one could have asked Mr, Kelley- Knee Action?

Lynn told me that, at the time, the teaching fads were leg drive and the 'reverse C' finish.

Lynn started at the foundation up. :)

btw- lots of great stuff on stroke pattern loading and Hinge Action/Left Wrist on there too.

tom tomasello
 

i was just curious to when tom tomasello passed away and how old was he---i have watched his instruction many times and have also heard numerous times how mark evershed has mentioned him on his site----thanks much:confused1

Tom passed...
 

...in early 1998. I am guessing he was in his mid seventies. Call the Classic Swing golf school, and you will be able to get more accurate info.

thanks for your reply:salut:

Dear Mathew,

In respect for Homer, Lynn, and Tom Tomasello, I posted this audio conversation at the time.
Tom was a very special person and was close to Lynn and myself along with many others. To pay respect to all three was my intention and Tom gave me access to his audio conversations with the idea of sharing his experiences with the world. Not to hide such information away.

Lynn has posted a video of Tom which I produced with Tom Tomasello when he did a teaching tour of Australia with me. It was one of the most memorable times of my life.
His memory lives on with his recorded messages going out to all who wish to listen.

Kindest regards,

Peter:)

don't know if anyone will see this but here goes anyway.

Its a shame that these conversations don't appear to be available any longer.

Its a lost opportunity to those of us who are new to TGM, Homer, Yoda, and Tom Tomasello.

What I wouldn't give to be able to listen in on what sounds like a fascinating conversation.

Its a shame!

Party Line
 

Thanks for your interest, Jesse. Let's see what we can do.

Bambam . . .

Do we have this available? If so, let's put it up. Thanks!

:salut:

If needed I have a copy of the first audio link.

Thanks guys. I am looking forward to hearing and hopefully viewing as well.

Thanks Yoda!

WOW, I've not heard these tapes and am VERY interested. Thanks guys!

Kevin

Etzwane - Would it be possible to email me a copy? I can PM you with my personal email address and you could send it, if no one minds.

BamBam - Any luck in finding those audio links?

Thanks

The file is 12MB, possibly too big to send it via email.

Since yoda agreed to have it here, I took the liberty to make it available

http://dl.free.fr/py9r91BmA

This is a temporary location, the file would be delete if not downloaded for 30 days. Someone at LBG could copy it from there so that it finds a more appropriate home.

Yoda, if there's a problem with that I can remove the file.

Enjoy!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! :salut: :salut: :salut:

I thank you as well! :golf:

Man, so much information in that clip. Mr. Kelley can't seem to stress enough how there is no one particular method that works for everybody, preferred maybe, but many options available.

When you see Lynn Blake teach in person, not teaching the book, but teaching G.O.L.F. , you realize how he lives this sound clip. Everybody is different. YODA has preferences, but teaches around the individual. Homer Kelley would be very proud of the work Lynn has done, and the way he has kept his spirit alive.

Sorry, to keep sounding like a fan boy, but it's what I truly believe and try to live as well.

This clip needs to be saved in a vault somewhere so it is never lost. This is G.O.L.F.

Kevin

I have to agree with Kev so much information! What a rare and special treat it is to listen in on this conversation.

I'll have to listen and listen as I got caught up trying to go to the book and look up stuff. :eyes:

This is great, everyone should listen to this wonderful piece of history!

Now we just need BamBam to find the other two parts of the phone call and get them posted for us.

Its interesting to note that back when this phone conversation took place, the charges for calling long distance could add up to a hefty sum. It was funny to hear Mr. Kelly mention that the phone call would be expensive.

For the younger generation - back in the good old days we had to pay for long distance calls. Thats right long Distance wasn't free like it is today. Just a little note on history.

Is this file still available somewhere?

It would be great if someone could make the audio tapes available to download again.

Here it is (again a temporary location)

http://dl.free.fr/egZudHECO

How does one make it permanent?

Thank you so much this is awesome.

Does anyone have any of the other tapes that tom tomasello recorded that they can share?

The file won't be gone for 30 days, and stays as long as it is downloaded at least once per period of 30 days.

I haven't setup a web site, so I can't put it on a permanent place and I feel it would be more at home on LBG rather than on a web site of mine.

Ughhhhh....

Do I really have to buy Quicktime Pro to save this?

Bumpy

Local Copy
 

Here's a copy of the audio. We'll host it for download here.

Thanks Bambam

One for the ages.

Thanks Bambam !

Does anybody have any more Homer Kelley Tapes that that they can share? This tape is awesome, its great to hear homer discussing the book, the curious quest offered a good insight into the man but nothing compares to hearing him.


I contacted peter croker via his website but it seems they have lost all the tapes they had due to a website server crash.