hitting or wing swing?
 

I really enjoyed the video. From my point of view I could not see anything in this tape that is what I am trying to do as a hitting action. The description as others have noted other than the magic of forearm is the crocker hitting motion. The description was entirely right arm based and he even mentioned the pushing of the right arm on the downswing and the pivot just a reaction to the right arm throwing motion. If I am wrong please correct me since I am trying to hit doing all the things he says in the video and some people feel he is describing swinging without talking about the left arm once and a pulling action.

Dave

The first tip-off that he is not Hitting is that he uses standard wrist action by turning and cocking the left wrist. Were he to thrust PP #3 downplane with the right tricep, he would shank the ball, since the sweetspot is behind the hosel.

Although he doe not mention that he is turning the forearm he does say he cocks the wrists (both maybe a mistake) by folding the right elbow which also would rotate the forearms. How do you explain him saying that he pushes with the right arm and drops the club and the pivot is a result of this down and out motion. I thought in a swing the pivot with the left arm pulls the club through.Where in the video is the left arm mentioned?

Thanks
Dave

Could it not be a hit with a horizontal hinge/sequenced release?

That said, there seems to be centrifugal force in this swing. Having tried it (and liked it!) after viewing the video, it seems that while accumulator 2 is released non-automatically from the top, accumulator 3 is released automatically (in sequence, once 2 is almost all gone). It felt to me like force was generated from the top quite quickly, and then as the roll kicked in automatically, and the clubhead was thrown out, the body picked up the rhythm and turned through with the club - to me it felt like pivot power at this point, but it is probably more just a motion, as it didn't feel like there was any dragging involved. Once acc. 3/centrifugal force kicked in, it just felt like holding on.

It certainly seems like a simple motion - it made me smile :)

Whip it and zip it,
Chris

Joe,

The knowledgeable instructors are probably not saying anything because the golf stroke Tomasello is teaching is ANOTHER VALID WAY to swing a golf club....A golf swing that produces desirable results...long and straight shots.

GI: What happens to the shots of a player who executes these moves?

Tomasello: The player will immediately hit the ball straighter, and substantially longer. The flight pattern will be dead straight to its apex, with the ball falling fractionally as it descends.

I believe your comments about 6-D-1 and 6-D-2 are incorrect...(6-D-1) Tomasello is not throwing the club from the top with his wrists, the throwing action is triggered with the right forearm NOT THE WRISTS (watch the second video of this series again and key in at the point where Tomasello talks about high speed cameras and illusions, the answer is in that segment). (6-D-2) With a stroke pattern that employs right arm acceleration you must release the club through one of the release points....sweep, random or snap or you will generate a low sustain acceleration of the lever assemblies which in turn creates excessive hand speed and clubhead throwaway. I believe you think the stroke Tomasello is using will cause excessive hand speed...no true...it will produce the players MAXIMUM HAND SPEED through impact, not low sustained acceleration up to the point of impact.

DG

Joe,

I've certainly had reservations about commenting on this video for several reasons, but in fairness to those new to TGM, I feel a responsibility to respond. I am having difficulty in reconciling what I want to say in deference to the legacy that Tom has left us all. But, here goes...

In this video, we see a Tom Tomasello of certain compromised and diminished capacities. The true "illusions" that I see are reflected in Tom's "feels" versus what is actually happening. There are many issues with semantics evident, but every molecule of my being "knows" that Tom knew the feeling of properly executed procedure(s). What we see him describing is a circle path delivery, definitely a swinging procedure (absolutely no right arm swing), but when he executes at his full speed, you see a straight line delivery path, pitch basic stroke (ABSOLUTELY no PUSH basic as he says), and tremendous full lever extension; and, oh yeah, wonderful rhythm compatible with the travel time of horizontal hinging.
His narrative and his full speed motion are completely at odds with each other.
What he does leave us with, is a wonderful swinging motion completely subserviant to centrifugal force. The full lever extension,sequenced release, left wrist going from cocked, to level, to uncocked, and the right wrist going from level to uncocked are textbook. The Law of the Flail, rhythm, definition of keeping the club on plane, the Flying Wedges, the three imperatives are ALL here! Pay heed all of you swingers! Thanks Tom for all of your enthusiasm, devotion, and your wonderfully infectious manner.

EC

The interesting fact is Tomasello's swing is ALL RIGHT ARM SWING (with the correct right arm motion). Don't let the above comments stir you from experiencing this stroke pattern. It works...I believe there are deeper issues at work here...it goes beyond golf stroke mechanics.

With this stroke pattern....the left wrist is uncocked by centrifugal force...the Push Stroke comment from Tomasello is in reference to a controlling right forearm that is not dependent on hip motion...the hips are responding not leading.

DG

Thanks for your insightful post. I understand now how anyone so familiar with TT would hesitate to criticize. I have only been aware of him for a year or so. And, I agree with your clinical analysis of his stroke. If only everyone at that age could make as good a pass at the ball!

Agree to disagree
 

I haven't followed these threads that closely but I guess I can't help wondering why are we arguing about this?

From what I can tell, he was a swinger and taught swinging. It appears he considered angle hinging and hitting to be specialty shots. He sure talked a lot in this last series about throwing the wrists. I've never heard him attempt to describe or define "right arm swinging", at least not in these clips. Was he a right arm swinger? I have no idea.

It seems like some of us should agree to disagree and move on.

I never met Mr. Tomasello but he obviously had a great gift for teaching and a love of doing just that. Everyone should be able to agree on that! :)

Another illusion....during chapter 3 of this series it's all STRAIGHT LINE DELIVERY PATH....with club in hand TOMASELLO is not demonstrating a CIRCLE DELIVERY PATH...what next :confused: Tomasello was the King of the Right Arm Swing...the DRIVING DOWN AND OUT Right Arm SWING...compress that ball....

DG

E,

Nice post. Question . . . I know that the Right Wrist Cocking in the Backswing is no no. Does the Right Wrist Uncock on the downswing? Is that the Volley Ball image thing you showed me?

Thanks!

B

Tried the Tomasello motion on the course the other day. Unlike Metallion I didn't hit any 300 yard drives (what I wouldn't give for that!) - but I did shoot a personal best 76 (par 70 course) - previous best was 79! This after only two short sessions with an 8 iron giving the Tomasello motion a try. And on the back 9 (after getting a bit more used to the motion) I shot a 1 over 36. Missed a two foot birdie putt on the last hole for an even par nine(misread the break - there was none!!! :( )

I'm starting to think Delaware Golf might be right - there might be something to this!

Chris

This Might Be The Start Of Something Good
 

Indeed there is, Chris. It is called:

Hand Controlled Pivot (5-0).

People simply cannot believe how little Body Motion is required for the Power Package -- the Hands, Arms and Club -- to do its job.

However...

What Pivot Motion there is must be performed correctly -- Feet, Knees, Hips and Shoulders all in sync beneath a Stationary Head -- and totally in response to the alignment demands of the Hands.

It is the way we move.

I was hitting balls in MB...
 

...@the back end of Deertrack just before moving back up north, when Tom came out in a cart. He was not doing well physically; he was very bloated from medication, and had the shakes. Anyway, Kevin had just put an arthritic grip on his 5 wood, and he wanted to see if it helped him hold the club better. Anyway, he dropped a ball on the ground, and with his arms trembling, he took a swing with his 5 wood...and hit the most beautiful 200 yard little draw you've ever seen. I will NEVER forget that shot- what it looked like. He chuckled a little and then watched me hit some more shots. That was the last time I saw him, and he passed away about 6 or 7 months later. I can't begin to describe to you how much I miss him.

Positive Responses
 

Chris/Yoda/DSS,

Good to read the positive feedback/responses about what Tommy taught and his talent for executing great golf shots...after 12 years around the material, it's been a blast for the last year and half revisiting what Tommy taught and seeing what it has done for my game...

Thanks again Yoda and team for putting up the Tomasello videos...it's a great collection of instruction.

Cheers,

DG

DG,

I've noticed it's getting rave reviews on other forums as well. Folks coming in to this site to visit Tommy.
Nice to have his memory and teachings live on...

Great to hear that Bagger,

I'm glad it's bringing golfers to Lynn's site...excellent. It makes everyone's effort involved worth it.

DG

I love to watch these videos over and over, thanks to all that made it happen.

It makes me smile to think that his TGM swing lasted all that time. In the video you could hear the compression... such a sweet sound.

Great videos. If I'm not mistaken, even if you don't decide to use the conscious right fore-arm swing motion on the downswing, this sequence of motions still shows the correct movement of the human body in time and space for the pure CF swing.

Of course, I'm quite often mistaken. :)

Tarkus,

No, you're not mistaken...the swinger using the right forearm swing motion can learn from the lower body swinger just as the lower body swinger can learn from the right arm accelerated swinger...

In fact, in learning to use the right arm motion at it's optimal...first, Tommy had the golfer trigger the startdown with the right forearm but would have the golfer pivot thrust to complete the swing (focusing on the left hip)...all golfers need to learn/feel a correct pivot motion...to add power to the stroke, Tommy used the uncocking of the right elbow from the top triggered by the right forearm...now, with the trained pivot, the body just responds to the action of the right forearm....THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM.

DG

These videos are outstanding
 

It is remarkable to hear the thoughts and ideas from somebody who has so much intimate knowledge of the golf swing.

When he talks about how lifting his arm automatically cocks the left wrist, and lowering the arm automatically uncocks it....I can see that the motion of his arm as it is coming down is momentum build up from gravity. He also goes to the top and shows this same motion. I see how he stops the club before he passes the right leg....like the clubhead really is a weight.

So I was thinking about that motion in my garage today and I saw a hammer. I grabbed it with my right hand, raised it with my forearm, then lowered it with my forearm. As the hammer was coming down I felt the heavy head really gain momentum and pull my whole arm. I stop it when my arm straightens out and it gives me the same feel that I see in the motion that he makes.

Is this true throw out action ?

Section 7-1 Statement
 

KnightT,

During my lesson with Tomasello one of the things we talked about was researching components...as we went through component number 1 and he had me read through section 7-1 Tommy was in total agreement with the statement..."For the Swinger, Centrifugal Force Uncocks BOTH the Left Wrist and the Right Elbow per 7-19 and 7-20." Even though we're bending and straightening the right elbow per 7-3 and with the Magic of the Right Forearm...ultimately what’s uncocking the left wrist and right elbow at release is centrifugal force or throw out action.

DG

tomasello videos
 

Can someone please give the link to veiw the tomasello videos.Thank you in advance

Hi, the videos can be found in the gallery at the following link:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=518

Be sure to check out the rest of the gallery here: http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery