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Great swing man.
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POST OF THE CENTURY.... [/quote] In general, the Release Component (#24) refers to where in the Downstroke the Accumulators begin to fire. The Trigger Component (#20) refers to how that Release is to be initiated. The term Delay -- within the constraints of the boundaries of the selected Release -- refers to when that Triggering is to occur. Thus, though the three terms are coordinate, they remain independent and not synonomous. The Snap Releases occur at the end of the Line Delivery Paths and the selected Trigger is Delayed until that point. If the Release is Triggered Automatically (in conjunction with the Aiming Point Procedure consciously or subconciously employed), then there will have been a Maximum Trigger Delay. Though The Golfing Machine does not define the term Minimum Trigger Delay, the student can infer that term to mean the earliest possible Non-Automatic Triggering (while respecting the entry boundary of the Snap Release). The Random Sweep Releases occur prior to the end of the Delivery Paths -- at the Side -- earlier in the Downstroke than their Snap counterparts. If the selected Trigger is Automatic (again, via the Aiming Point Procedure), then a Maximum Trigger Delay will have been effected. If the Triggering is Non-Automatic and initiated as early as possible after the entry boundary of the Random Release, then there will have been Minimum Trigger Delay. The Full Sweep Release begins immediately at Start Down. Hence, there is no Trigger Delay and, by definition, no Maximum or Minimum classification.[/quote] I felt we needed a "sacrificial lamb" for this awesome discussion on: [b]WHERE[/b} the accumulators begin to release.... [b] WHEN [/b} they are triggered.... HOW they are triggered... I am a visual learner...the words need to come to life!!!! BTW way ....notiice the change in the distance of the dots...i "TRACED" the #3 PP all the way down........ I noticed the Top Arc....then some portion of a "line" (straight or angled?) then the relatively small release pulley.... What do you guys see? The Sacrificial Lamb!!!! Skywalker |
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All missed my point. DG, no offense - I love Tommy, and I have a ton of video and audio on him....this is for me only. 1. Where is Snap Release defined at the 'end of the delivery line path'? While it may be benefial to describe it that way...are you saying its defined as such? 2. Why cant a circle path delivery incorporate a Snap Release????? 3. Why can a snap release with max trigger delay not be used with no automatic??? These are core questions that perplex me. Thanks!!! |
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Philly,
My "uneducated guess" to question #2... is... No Snap with Circle Path... because... No Belt ...just ONE big pulley or wheel! Still pondering other questions!!! PS Call me again..your # at work... didn't work ...# at home...answering machine!!! Sky |
My initial call on seq #3 was a Hit because in frames 3 and 4, the shaft isn't loaded(blurred) as in your Swing seq. However, since the player in seq #3 loses so much wristcock from the top, it's almost impossible to load the shaft longitudinally even if he is Swinging. I still think he's Hitting, but whether a Hit or Swing, he's pulled off a miracle by getting his hands barely ahead of the clubhead at impact.
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MJ,
Agreed... No miracle ...just a very slow gradual "sweep"...of the accumulators Great player from the UK...plays on the college team here at the University...Hits it high-high-high!!!! |
This guy doesn't have very much #2 to begin with at the top. If you only posted the last frame, I think everyone would be praising the alignments. I'm not sure the guy has "thrown it away," because he didnt' have much to throw away in the first place.
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I noticed the Top Arc....then some portion of a "line" (straight or angled?) then the relatively small release pulley.... What do you guys see? Practically looks like you've got a circle path with a snap release in your movement? What do you think? |
I'm in agreement with Lynn....there is a Top Arc...a straight line for "3-4 clicks" in frame#5 (first from the bottom left)then a pulley...it's definitely not a Circle Path...i believe the gentlemen in Sequence #3 has more of a circle path than I do ...the hitting in Sequence #2 is definitely not circle path....Maybe I'm see things.....It might be the "LSD" kicking in though!!! I guess it depends on if you define a "Circle Path" ...as a pure circle, an oval, an arc, etc... or a "Line Path" as Linear or Curvilinear....Perhaps the boundaries need to be more defined....I would like to hear more!!!
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There really wasn't any more to my post than the question- No other motive. I just glanced at your swing sequence and it looked circular to me- just thought I would have you re-confirm what you thought it was, since I didn't look at it closely and didn't have the interest to take alot of time to analyze it. Thanks for the feedback.
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Hitting Sequence(#2)....Angled Line? I also think the swinging sequence (#1) when I try to hit draws appears more Top Arc/Angled Line with a shift back down to the Elbow plane from the Turned Shoulder....Top Arc Straight Line is more compatible with Zero shift or Single Shift!!!
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Do you have any pictures of a player that actually clicks it down there like the 10-23-C picture? |
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This footage belongs to www.brianmanzella.com...I transformed it to a 8 frame sequence so that I could trace #3PP....I hope Brian Manzella is "OK" with this for our educational purposes.... if not I will delete it!!!
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Straight Line Delivery Path Illustrated
Thanks, Annikan. This sequence with your graphics is really helpful.
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Annikan AKA Mr. Great Graphics-
Your graphics really add alot to the forum- Thanks for posting all the sequences! Just a side note- the two things that I interpret from Ben's sequence is that mentally he has two very important ideas that he has worked on - 1) a snap release and 2) keeping the right wrist bent at, through and past impact. To allow him to accomplish, emphasize or "exaggerate" those two key concepts for him- you'll notice that 1) the right foot stays flat more than most and the weight appears to stay back more than most to allow the SNAP and 2) the last frame shows a bent left arm in order to accomplish, allow, or "exaggerate" the bent right wrist into the follow-through and beyond, which will further modify his finish swivel motion compared to most. However, there is no doubt that this guy can play! |
The pictures in the book are not tracing PP #3 but show a corridor which contain both hands. Tracing PP #3 is deceptive because it can move independently inside the corridor. For example, you could downcock while moving the hands in a circle tracing a straight line with PP #3 for a few inches while the corridor visibly curves.
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The Thrust you are driving/or aiming is the #3PP...that IS what you're delivering...It would only make sense that is what you trace...If I'm wrong ...ok....I can live with that!!! Then I need more education...which is the purpose of this thread
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Notice the Axis Tilt and the delivery Path are almost "parallel" in frame...Thus straight line delivery and axis tilt are compatible...Less Axis tilt requires another delivery path....Top Arc/Agled Line or Circle path...
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I'm sorry..but Ben Doyle's delivery path in the sequnce above looks perrty durn straight to me ...but again...it's probably just the "LSD" kickin in!!!
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Question. Is the delivery path of the hands the release motion the hands make - or merely the path of the hands on the downswing??? :) |
The path of the hands down the inclined plane....Your phone#'s don't work ...call me!!! The #3 pressure point is part of your hand right? Right hand I believe for most ...your left Philly!!!:D
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The "Overtaking Rate"...Thanks 6B Mike
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I say the straight line path for your Hitting Stroke are the 6th and 7th dots (counting from the bottom), and may just include the 5th dot as well. So your Aiming Point (the straight line extension of line delivery path) is at or slightly in front of ball. Would you agree? For your swinging stroke, the straight line path would be the 6th, 7th and 8th dots (counting from the bottom). Once again, Aiming Point is at or slightly in front of ball. What d'ya think? |
Tong,
You're more observant than the average "fella"...I hope the "count was from the bottom".........I would agree with you...with the aiming point being 1.) opposite the left foot and/or 2) The right forearm angle of approach for the hitting... ;) |
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Is this amount of lateral head movement and tilt necessary to get the Straight Line Delivery Path? I believe...if you look at Davis Love... you will see somewhat of a Straight Line, without as much tilt. |
This thread was the greatest thread in the history of G.O.L.F.....and I'm still learning from it 2 years later:golf:
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Welcome back!
Good to see you posting again. Your posts are always among the best! :)
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Because of your comment, I went back and re-read the thread, and you're right, it is terrific. Lots of great thoughts from a number of contributors. The way a Forum should be! Unfortunately, it seems that the wonderful photos that you 'doctored up' and posted have vanished. :crybaby: Is there any way to restore these? |
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