zero offset
 

You can check on the ZO Blades from KZG. I don't know if they're zero throughout the set.




http://www.kzgolf.com/

i have the mp-37's also i love them great feel i dont think i can switch to a different set yet \\:D/

Golf in it's PUREST form
 

forget about anything else . . .

www.miuragolf.com

12-Piece,

A buddy of mine picked up a set of Miura's mid-summer and they are indeed one sweet looking set. I used a set of MP-29's for the last 4 years (had them re-finished once during that time). After the sweetspot grooves started to wallow out again I decided to move on to the Ping S59 Tour. They're not forged, but have the same great look (compact, thin top-line, minimal offset) as my 29's did. Amazing what a difference the ferrule makes on the look of a Ping.

On a related note, Golf Digest ran a good article with Scotty Cameron in the most recent issue. Regarding putters, he stated that a lot of pro's are going away from the high MOI, large headed putters. He says, "a mis-hit is a mis-hit" and the pro wants to know when he misses a putt whether is was a mis-read or a mis-hit.

Miura is basically golf's version of the Samuria Sword . . . a true piece of functional art based on tradition and honor.

Hooked my set on e-bay. Japanese version. Things of brushed satin steel beauty.

Mishits are just that.

A MUSCLEBACK blade with a stiff steel shaft will give you max feedback vs a graphite cavity back.

The degree to which you wish to feel a crappy shot is up to you but when you are trying to score, use the club that is most forgiving you can find. No probs practicing mechanics with a muscleback but do not beat your scorecard up for the sake of it.

Even talking steel to graphite shafts feel, once you get used to slightly less violent feedback you can still feel it.

Some people need a sledgehammer feel others are happier with seeing the ball flight and a slight twist. Each to their own sense of touch.

Paul,

So good to have you pitching in here. Wish we had more of your time.

I've always wondered about a more forgiving club. I love my MP-14's but they are getting pretty worn. Would I sacrifice any sweet spot feel with a more "forgiving" club. In other words, would I sacrifice working the ball for forgiveness on mishits?

The club's I have now tell no lies and I love them for it. My 2 iron always tells me the ultimate truth.
Sadly, it was just replaced by a forged Hybrid because I couldn't get it to land softly on 220+ par 3's, or long approach shots.

Thanks Mate!

Bagger

Hi Bagger. Just prepping the BBQ for tomorrows bash:)

Shaping a ball has nothing to do with whether its a blade or a high MOI. Its the Indian using the clubface though impact.

Paul,

What exactly is a muscleback blade?

Are Mizuno's MP-37 considered muscleback?

I thought it's either muscleback or cavity back (or hybrid)...and you can't have a cavity back blade can you?

Thanks!

http://www.benhogan.com/legacy/irontour.html

This link will give you examples of all sorts of clubs from the Ben Hogan line. It will show muscle backs, blades (both muscle back and non muscleback), so-called cut muscles, cavity backs, etc. I hope this is helpful.

Looking at the Maltby Playability Guide, 'our' Mac 1025m's are listed under Game Improvement clubs...that's how much better the modern blade is...I just sold my old FG17's :)

I've worn out the grooves on my Miz MP-14's. Now what?

Ah well, who needs grooves anyway? Just hit dry balls.

Bagger

Having 6 sets of clubs, 4 sets of muscle backs and 2 cavity I find that the feel for forged and cast is more apparent than blade vs cavity.

What gets me is those who get blades and then have sencore shafts installed, what is with that?

I like the blades cause of the top line and minimum offset, not that you can't get a minimum offset in the cavity.

I think the pro's have figured something out between going with a mixed club or two in the bag for the longer irons and the addition of 5wds and hybrids.

blades are more enjoyable
 

Hi brobert,
I also started with syncro-"Topflite" dished-back blades circa '50.These were underrated,advanced blades.
I retired them when distance became an overriding issue.
I tried delofting the 'Flites but it destroyed their look and created a "digger" front edge.( I reset them) The shafts were 3/4 " shorter than our current models.Also destroying perfect original slip-on leathers in order to lengthen the shafts was an esthetic no-go for me.I generally don't mess with Classic's,but
I wish I had the vision ,as you did,boring the hosel to suit Rifle shafts,because those heads are that terrific.
I strongly feel yours will play level to most current blades.

After playing "in the desert" for several years with a slew of cavity's(Burners,Armours,Pings)I stumbled across a complete set of mint Macgregor MUIRFIELDS 20th,including Persimmon woods.
I died and went to Heaven. Haven't looked at another since.The Best!
"There's no sting if you can swing".
Enjoy!

For those who love the look and craftsmanship of the blades of old, check out this site. I found out about from a neighbor who let me try his Wilson Bullet-Back Irons...I was just taking up the game so I had no appreciation for the clubs but they were very sharp looking.

http://www.houseofforged.com/

Well, I'll put my Sethistory in an order with ratin, if you don't mind:

Head Premise (a gift from my stepfather to begin with, low hosel technology with regular graphite shafts, 2 years later all shafts were broken) - cast iron with strong lofts

Golfsmith Forged (my first fitted set, since I had little clue about fitting then I totally relied on the clubfitter, hence he suggested sensicore in the apollo stepless stiff shafts) - great look and feel, that's what I love about Blades

Ping Zing 2 (after returning from long break I thought the fryingpan technology would compensate my lack of technique, little truth there but on the other hand I had no clue what to change) - yeah, feedback is quiet little maybe due to the large sweetspot? sold them after 6 rounds again

Mizuno Pro (or TRue) - forged Iron, half cavity with MB behind the sweetspot. I couldn't feel the clubhead at all, sold again after 4 weeks.

Maxfli Revolution - forged CB, great club, very soft feel, but I bought them with regular shafts (what a mess) - they are still here

Cleveland TA-7or 5? BP
Did not like the look of the clubhead, sold immediately after 2 rounds

Taylor Made Firesole - cast Iron, no feel, strong lofts, and a hack of a distance, but I feel a little like a girl, I always miss what is not there - this time feel

Wilson Deep Red II - not that bad set of clubs, wrong shafts in there

Wilson FI5 - great set from 8-P but I prefer not to have the CB'S from 7-3

Ping I3 Oversize - another trial into fryingpan section, sold them today again

Cleveland CG-1 Black perl - what a beauty, need to re-shaft them since they have regular shafts

Cleveland TA-1 bought them for the shafts, RIFLE 6.5, to put them into the BP's, couldn't resist to try to hit a few shots with them, and now there are currently in my bag

Well, I'll put my Sethistory in an order with rating, if you don't mind:

Head Premise (a gift from my stepfather to begin with, low hosel technology with regular graphite shafts, 2 years later all shafts were broken) - cast iron with strong lofts

Golfsmith Forged (my first fitted set, since I had little clue about fitting then I totally relied on the clubfitter, hence he suggested sensicore in the apollo stepless stiff shafts) - great look and feel, that's what I love about Blades

Ping Zing 2 (after returning from long break I thought the fryingpan technology would compensate my lack of technique, little truth there but on the other hand I had no clue what to change) - yeah, feedback is quiet little maybe due to the large sweetspot? sold them after 6 rounds again

Mizuno Pro (or TRue) - forged Iron, half cavity with MB behind the sweetspot. I couldn't feel the clubhead at all, sold again after 4 weeks.

Maxfli Revolution - forged CB, great club, very soft feel, but I bought them with regular shafts (what a mess) - they are still here

Cleveland TA-7or 5? BP
Did not like the look of the clubhead, sold immediately after 2 rounds

Taylor Made Firesole - cast Iron, no feel, strong lofts, and a hack of a distance, but I feel a little like a girl, I always miss what is not there - this time feel

Wilson Deep Red II - not that bad set of clubs, wrong shafts in there

Wilson FI5 - great set from 8-P but I prefer not to have the CB'S from 7-3

Ping I3 Oversize - another trial into fryingpan section, sold them today again

Cleveland CG-1 Black perl - what a beauty, need to re-shaft them since they have regular shafts

Cleveland TA-1 bought them for the shafts, RIFLE 6.5, to put them into the BP's, couldn't resist to try to hit a few shots with them, and now there are currently in my bag

i just got some mizuno mp 69s ;)

I just got some Mizuno MP-14's!!

I am going into my 3rd season with Wilson FG 62's. DG S-300 shafts and I just love the danged things. I usually go through irons like oats go through a horse, but these have earned their keep in the bag. They feel great and look good at address. Since stumbling into Yoda and TGM, though, I seem to be able to use most anything and still have fun.

Jerry,
I know what you mean - bought the wilson staff tour blade from Edwin Watts - love'm - small head like Bucket, square toe, sweet!- spot. They go far also - no issues with distance - they may go further than my last set of clubs.

Thanks Mike. Seldom do I find agreement anywhere. They really are an interesting golf club. Short game stuff with those small heads seems also to be easier. Setting a 6 iron on it's toe, or any of the others for that matter, to putt from off the green can be round saving. Blades are pretty versatile that way.

same with me jerry, i've never really felt comfortable chipping with an iron, but these new mizunos all look so compact and clean i feel confident around the greens with them, they all look like wedges

Hogan PC's......blades look like golf clubs....I don't see that much difference in performance....I think you need to play something that you look down on and your eye likes. I LOVE blades....I'm not that good of a player....I think pretty much anybody can play 'em at least in the short irons.

Yup. That's why the golf gods gave us hybrids.

2 sets of blades
 

1st up I ressurected an old set of Henry Cotton blades,cleaned them up ,i had to lengthen them 1 inch,+ new grips.They are quite heavy which i dont mind........they are pretty good for but all that great fo hitting.......unsure why,shafts may be to soft,dont know nor care,they are now only used for practice.

My other set are Hiro Honmas p717....2ir thru to No 11,they are pure........hit or swing......thinking about getting some early ping eye 2 clubs..........I have absolutly no idea why..prolly change is good as holiday....Mrs Whatshername isnt impressed lol:golf:

Assuming you meant muscle-back instead of blade, I use a muscle-back because there is one with a large head - Mizuno MP-29s.

oops
 

I do stand corrected thanks MJ

I am a big fan of a mixed set. Pw thru 6 blades then 5,
4,3 some kind of muscle back with a little more forgiveness. It is nice looking down when you have to carry water and your not looking at a butter knife blade. :thumleft: