There is some seriously BAD advice in 5L, which may be the cause of your problem, namely the feel of throwing the basketball toward the target. It's OK as long as the pivot alone does the throwing, but most do it with an independent arm/hand effort.

Any effort of the arms/hands towards the target is steering, which causes all sorts of problems, especially lag loss.

Im getting confused
 

As the heading states,Im getting confused "again",yes I do agree with you in so far as he does use hands "hard",As my topic header states,"how much cen force", so,.. I do actually have more "lag" with full centrifugal swing and they in simple terms a better feeling stroke with compression,but, I could be wrong here,so correct me if Im wrong....one of Lynns vids with golfgnome regarding release,I thought Jeff stated that he gripped with tight grip and hit down into impact "hard" hence my confusion friend.

I did state I could be wrong,wont be a first time for me lol.
I wont advance past this point in my practice until Im sure of what is the right course........cheers again and thanks

That's the key word, down. Hands go down, but the forward arcing of the clubhead comes from the pivot. For the Turned Shoulder Plane Swing, it's simple, just drive pp#3 down plane towards the inside of the ball(or another nearby aiming point) using the right shoulder. For the Turning Shoulder Plane, you drive the hands downward to a suitable aiming point as the shoulders turn flatter. In any case, it's CF alone that uncocks the left wrist after it drives, or is driven by the pivot, to release point.

Short thumb?
 

Do Hogan's left hand on club check with a short thumb. It works for set-up and the whole swing or hit.

ICT:)

Plane as day
 

Thank you again guys for your clearing the fog for me,as I now see it,cen force rules.As for Mr Hogans swing,I do not wish to replicate his swing ....Im not that good,but the tucked in elbow in backswing has helped me immensly ,I was obviously chicken winging to an extent .
Just one more thing if I may,Im assuming if I needed more ooomph in my swing for whatever reason,without breaking any "laws",I would add R/elbow thrust on release to aiming point?:salut:
Thanks again........

Yes, you can thrust your hands downward using the arm muscles, including the right tricep, as long as you keep the wristcock intact for CF to do the uncocking. Shoot the loaded wrist and turn hard through impact! I can't prove it, but I believe it's the most powerful way to Swing with a hand controlled pivot.

Old Faithful
 

Forgive me Yoda for I have sinned,I played 2 games in as many days,I did set out to use swing pattern but in my want to win or at least score well,I resorted back to olde faithful Hitter pattern,alas,1 win in 4 man amb.......3rd in single,but I dont care,its good to have that reliable pattern to fall back on,the tighter the f/way ....the harder I thrust....one could say...trust the thrust.....just had to share:)

Finger grip
 

Interesting play time today,using swinging with finger grip,very neutral and really just let the cen force thing go with absolute minimal grip pressure but really forced myself to swing with shaft sitting very much in last joints on fingers,so long as my shoulders rotated fully the ball went high and long,could possibly enjoy this,nooo vibration whatsoever........have a play with it guys and give some feedback,cheers

fingergrip
 

I mowed our course for 5 hrs as the others cleaned up the course(working bee),after we played 4 holes....I played only with a 3 ir,1st hole bogey,2nd hole 198 mt P3 on for 1.......2nd hole P3 145 mt on, putted and got 2 with 3ir as putter...4th hloe 170mt P 3 bit long ,but chipped on and 2 putted with 3 ir,.......my point is 2 fold,1....how solid the swing was with finger grip(I must have been using too much palm grip),,2...what a great excercise....using 1 club........thought I would share:salut:

2hbp
 

The 2HBP is the feeling of maximum radius during release. The smaller the pully the more exaggerated the feel.

Bumpy