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KevCarter 05-04-2009 01:24 PM

Thanks guys. I'm just extremely lazy with my set up alignments. If I work at it, I get there. The difference in solidness of contact, and trajectory, direction is amazing. Finally I understand the feel of tracing with the right forearm, and with a solid set up, the pivot is taking care of itself. Setting up with the hands low, I thought I understood... Back to basics. Chapter 12 here I come! :salut:

Oops, just realized I'm in the swingers forum, hope I don't get a rash... :laughing9

Kevin

KevCarter 05-04-2009 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie3Jack (Post 63293)
Kevin,

Here's a pic of my old address position.



Ted & I worked on the right forearm on plane at address in our 2nd lesson together (we've only had 4 lessons so far). Ted originally put me in the position and then I had to feel it. The feel I sort of use is that I just bend the right elbow at address. In fact, it pretty much feels like I'm bending the right elbow 'into my right hip joint.'

I had some problems with setting my hands high and then getting the right forearm on plane at address. It was getting my left shoulder 'up high' at address, so Ted corrected that. So basically I 'leave the left arm hanging' at address and then 'bend the right elbow into my right hip' and I'm good to go.

Now, we're getting me more into right forearm tracing. Since getting the right forearm on plane is feeling natural to me now, I now try to feel like that #3 PP is holding a laser pointer or a flashlight and has to trace the plane line.

Lastly, I record my swing quite a bit. Probably every other practice session. I'm not expecting to hit it like Ben Hogan, but I'm just constantly checking that I'm doing what we went over with on our last lesson or I'm headed in the right direction.





3JACK

3Jack,

BTW, not that what I think matters, but since you started with Ted your swing has become majorly more solid and looks fantastic. I also really enjoy watching you learn all about TGM. I wouldn't miss a morning of your Blog... Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing what you are learning with us!

Kevin

Richie3Jack 05-04-2009 01:44 PM

The Smart Stick really explains right forearm tracing quite well with the videos of Martin Hall. I'm thinking about getting one myself.




3JACK

Richie3Jack 05-04-2009 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 63325)
3Jack,

BTW, not that what I think matters, but since you started with Ted your swing has become majorly more solid and looks fantastic. I also really enjoy watching you learn all about TGM. I wouldn't miss a morning of your Blog... Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing what you are learning with us!

Kevin

Thanks for kind words. My swing is slowly coming along, which I'll take considering I came off an 8 year layoff from the game. I got back into the game in January and played to a 4.3 handicap. I got with Ted in February and I'm down to a 1.0.

When I played at Coastal Carolina I worked with a GSED that had me using a swinging pattern. I find hitting much more consistent. I actually tried to read TGM back in college, but only understood about 4 pages of it. Now I'd say I *understand* about 80% of it and while I'm using a hitting pattern, for me just being able to know the different components that other patterns can or may use has helped because it clears up the fog. No more of the 'well, so and so does this in his swing and it works but I do this instead...maybe I should try what he's doing.'

Talk about an exercise in futility.





3JACK

EdZ 05-04-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 63323)
Thanks guys. I'm just extremely lazy with my set up alignments. If I work at it, I get there. The difference in solidness of contact, and trajectory, direction is amazing. Finally I understand the feel of tracing with the right forearm, and with a solid set up, the pivot is taking care of itself. Setting up with the hands low, I thought I understood... Back to basics. Chapter 12 here I come! :salut:

Oops, just realized I'm in the swingers forum, hope I don't get a rash... :laughing9

Kevin

A focus on the 'level' right wrist can really help the rest fall right into place. If you right wrist is level, the right forearm tends to be in the proper position (assuming clubs that fit you properly)

KevCarter 05-04-2009 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdZ (Post 63354)
A focus on the 'level' right wrist can really help the rest fall right into place. If you right wrist is level, the right forearm tends to be in the proper position (assuming clubs that fit you properly)

Nice tip Ed. My right wrist is a little cocked, think Fuzzy Zoeller. Feeling a level right wrist is a big change in my feels, and doing mirror work it seems to get me into position.

Thank you,
Kevin

KevCarter 05-04-2009 03:42 PM

Training Aid We Already Have
 
Hoping this helps someone...

Like most of you, I have an old wedge that I have a hole in the grip for installing a dowel as an extension. I use this for basic motion to keep myself from flipping, and I use it for acquired and total motion to check my plane tracing...

My new additional use for this tool is at set up as an aid to get my right forearm parallel to the shaft plane. Seems to be of great help to me. Working on feels through proper set up mechanics!

I am also finding it much easier to maintain my flying wedges during basic motion while setting up with this aid. So much fun! ...

Kevin

BurleyGolf 05-04-2009 10:15 PM

Thanks guys for the comments, and thanks Yoda for laying it down to me like it is. I suspect your right not having the arms set to the club/shaft plane is defeating the purpose. My next step is to bent the clubs on the right angle of the arms and see what happens. This still does not explain the driver and 3 wood though going left, I am suspecting it must be from having open shoulders after looking at Brians photo. I will get some video up in a few weeks, I have an injury now that I have to let heel, its quiet a funny story but I will save it for another time.

Thanks,
BurleyGolf

KevCarter 05-05-2009 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurleyGolf (Post 63451)
Thanks guys for the comments, and thanks Yoda for laying it down to me like it is. I suspect your right not having the arms set to the club/shaft plane is defeating the purpose. My next step is to bent the clubs on the right angle of the arms and see what happens. This still does not explain the driver and 3 wood though going left, I am suspecting it must be from having open shoulders after looking at Brians photo. I will get some video up in a few weeks, I have an injury now that I have to let heel, its quiet a funny story but I will save it for another time.

Thanks,
BurleyGolf

Burley,

I wish you and I weren't on opposite ends of the country my friend. It sounds like we are fighting a lot of the same demons. I am finding if you want to swing like Mr. Gay, setting the right forearm on plane is MANDATORY. It works Bro!

Kevin

okie 05-05-2009 02:45 PM

Dowels
 
You too can do-well with your dowells! It is easy to go for a "position" with your right arm in a tucked manner. I used to tuck a shaft under the left and over the right ala Hogan's Power Golf. The dowels helped me understand what the L in FLV & BLV was about. I think that high right arm position is one of the most misleading things we see good players doing...they certainly do not have it that high at impact...they seldom run out of right arm!


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