The phrase:
Sharp initial acceleration of the Shoulder Turn against the #4 Pressure Point .......

I guess that this is where I have understanding issues. How much Pivot qualifies as "Sharp initial Acceleration"?

How To:

If we vary the initial acceleration..Are we varying the amount of #4 Accumulator?

1. Is the "Shoulder Throw" the way to maximize #4 Accumulator?
   
2. Is "Hip Action" the way to maximize "Shoulder Throw"?
   
3. Is Starting the Downswing Pivot Sequence prior to the Arms completing the Backswing, the way to maximize "Hip Action" effect on Shoulder Motion?

Forgive me for re-stating, but my questions become a little more zeroed in as I learn a little more. But I'm still not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree.

So many options!

According to Homer the Swinger has a quick startdown . . . so the hand acceleration is reached quicker than the Hitter respectively . . . so according to Homer the Swinger cranks the gyroscope and then just hangs on any attempt to further accerelerate can potentail gum up the works and disrupt the orbit. So you just crank it up and stay ahead of it.

The danger with all the emphasis on Shoulder Acceleration is dragging your hands out too much . . . .

Delayed response
 

For the Swinger, Shoulder Turn Throw is better thought of as Trigger Delay and used with Wrist (Left) Throw which requires Trigger Delay.

Golfbulldog

You state that one could theoretically vary the release point of accumulator point 4 by varying the speed of the downswing pivot action. I would be interested in learning how that it is consciously possible, considering that the right arm/hand/right shoulder complex is also part of the power package assembly and acts as a checkrein on movement of the left arm. I can only envisage a swinger varying the time of release of the entire power package assembly unit by varying the initial acceleration-speed of the downswing pivot action (varying the initial acceleration thrust of the shoulder thrust action).

Jeff

Hi Jeff

Never said that speed of downswing would definitely vary release point of acc4.

I agree that initial acceleration of your pivot CAN vary release.... but I am interested in how one combines high initial acceleration with a late release...I am stating little...mainly asking questions.

How do you combine shoulder and wrist throws?

What are the requirements/limitations when you do this?

Do you need aiming point procedure to link the two together?

If you have a very sharp initial pivot motion, you really load 4... but I feel that a big load on 4 can lead to early release of 2 and 3...maybe?

Golfbulldog

I dont know how to consciously combine an initial shoulder thrust with a delayed release. My release pattern is automatic and random. I lack insight into how golfers deliberately (non-automatically) produce a delayed release in a full golf swing when swinging (not hitting).

Jeff.

A delayed release is still a properly timed release - It just allows the right elbow to go deper in the swing. Maxium participation with a touch of float load on the DS. Watch Ben Doyle move a clubhead onto the ball. Watch his pivot and right elbow position. "Hit it with your ass, " which means you really need to remain on the base line as the cluhead rolls to square. 'You hit the ball with the pressure points of your hands."- Number three with a right hip blast.

I think must tgmers develop non- Auto first before trusting automatic. More control with Non- A. With Auto, one needs to have a solid belief in the Laws of nature.

@Daryl and Yoda - Did you guys end up discussing this in your lesson together? I've wondered about that question for years. I've studied a lot of video and have found that, with a Driver, tour players visibly start shifting their weight left 2 to 4 frames (2/30 to 4/30 of a second) before the hands start down. Interestingly, in one video demonstrating hitting and swinging, Yoda starts visibly shifting left 4 frames (swinging) and 3 frames (hitting) before his hands start down.

And really, it's such an important topic, because shifting your weight that way is a very specific procedure, and the resulting power that comes with it is dramatic, to say the least.

I've been working on that this summer, although for shorter, or more controlled shots, I seem to default to a more mechanical, less laterally dynamic rotation around my spine.

Am I correct in assuming that this 'dynamic' weight shift is mandatory for full shots? Or in other words, when looking at video of me hitting a Driver, must there be a visible shift to the left 2-4 frames prior to the hands starting down, and if I'm not doing this, am I not shifting your weight properly?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sequencing the Start Down
 

That's right, Andy. In Pivot Strokes, the Downstroke begins at the ground (the Feet) and sequences upward through the Knees, Hips and Shoulders. The Hip Action (Hips pull Shoulders) shifts the weight and maintains the On Plane Right Shoulder during the Start Down. This Body Action pulls the Arms, and the Arms pull the Hands (which have experienced a momentary static period that defines the Top).

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Wow, I can't even begin to tell you how helpful a definitive answer on that issue is for me. Again, thanks.