:) Don't take anything I say to you as an insult. But telling someone it's a matter of Coordinating the arm swing with the pivot is like telling someone, "Just Open the door and Jump out, then at 2100 feet, simply pull that little cord hanging down your left shoulder.

Telling someone to coordinate arm swing and pivot? What do you teach them with Zero Pivot? What swings the arms? :) :)

Do you understand that it's gibberish? Ok. Pivot right to left at 8 MPH, then swing your arms at 40 mph and coordinate them so that the clubhead arrives to the ball at 110 mph with a square clubface with a down, out and forward path. Lesson over. Pay me $1000.00 :laughing9

Opiate of the Masses
 

When novices get the idea that the base of the plane line is the low point plane line, and that with the exception of putter/driver low point is under the ground...then the lights begin to brighten. Understanding low point becomes the high point!

I took what Bucket said as what he would teach an average player rather than how he would instruct them to do it. The shoulders move the arms, but no shot requires zero pivot.

I would want a student to keep his arms more tied into his body as illustrated in Five Lessons the Modern Fundamentals of Golf p. 82-83.

I wouldn't simply rely on a verbal discussion of what should be done, rather, I would demonstrate and make alterations as necessary to the student's technique.

NO!!!

Hacks- hack at the ball with impact (hitting the ball) their only concearn

Amateurs- create motion with the HOPE of impact and straight ballflight

Pros- create the motion they KNOW will create the proper impact alignments for the ballflight they wish produce

Pro's and other great players simply know how to control the CLUBSHAFT, CLUBHEAD, AND THE CLUBFACE in order to produce the desired ball flight. Hinge action goes well beyond impact and controlls ballflight. Focus on the end result and you will find impact becomes better.

daryl is my FAVORITE cat on the forum. . . that boy will fight a tree.

Maestro,

You know how much I like you, and I know you're a great Golfer, but:

Nothing is more important than impact. Impact is the language the Ball understands. It’s doesn’t speak French. If you ask it nicely to fly straight and land 285 yards in the center of the fairway, it won’t understand you.

The ball is not your buddy. If you want it to go somewhere, then you must whack it a particular way. The BALL ONLY UNDERSTANDS IMPACT. It really doesn’t care how pretty your Golf swing, or what kind of car you drive.

It’s non-discriminatory. It doesn’t care how tall or short or thin or fat you are. It doesn’t care if it gets whacked with a 400.00 new Nike Driver or a 30 year old persimmon Hagan Wood driver with a D4 Swing weight and extra stiff shaft.

It doesn't care if you use 2,3 or 4 barrels nor if you angle or horizontal hinge with 10-2-B or 10-2-D. Do you Swivel? The ball couldn't care less.

If you can’t talk IMPACT, then the ball won’t do what you want it to do. And it don't care what you say if you can't say it the right way. :) :)

The ball speaks in three dimensions. Here is what to say, Down, Out and Forward, and here is how you say it: Simultaneously.

It's a genetic flaw. I should have been a Hitter. Axe Handle.
:)

Bucket?
 

Bucket, This guy is starting to frighten me! Another one of your alter ego's I suppose. Why don't you come out of the closet? Go ahead just make your list- let me start. I'm sure their are a few that would surprise some people

Bucket is also:
Bagger Lance
UPP
ChrisNZ
KOC
Ecox
ThinkingPlus

But seriously Bucket- Have you and Ecox started a list of excuses when you lose to my partner and I? Well have ya? It's going to be a beating!!!:violent:

This is a tough group. :)

Read the book
 

From the preface, "It's not instant perfection but continuous progress toward a practical goal-mastery of the STAR SYSTEM TRIAD: the Three Imperatives applying the three functions through the three stations which should be sought."

I agree that impact is what the ball responds to, but I will maintain that how it gets through there is more important. Remember we can't teach positions and impact is a postion, one point along the swing. Teach players to keep moving smoothly to the finish and impact will take care of itself. Impact is for monitoring how well everything is working.