what about the cocking of the left?

The Left Wrist cocks because the right elbow cocks....Tomasello Australia video....

The hands don't move the hands....

DG

Exactly...i never learned a correct horizontal hinge and swivel until i just let it happen.

Then why did Homer prefer a Hand Manipulated Swing over a Pure Swing?

Incidentally, I think it's a misnomer. A Hand Manipulated Swinger is in reality a Left Wrist Manipulator.

Then... it sounds like some of you think Pure Swingers are using Pivot Controlled Hands.

Not necessarily. If you monitor the hands, but don't manipulate them, you have a Pure Swing in which the Pivot is Hand Controlled. On the other hand(no pun intended), if you monitor the Pivot, and rely on it to bring the hands to Impact location, you have a Pure Pivot Controlled Swing. I believe the latter will force you into an Automatic Flip Release, which requires a precise Pivot to "time the flip".

YOU GUYS ARE SO WAY OFF
 

THE HANDS ARE MONITORING DEVICES.....

THE HAND CONTROLLED PIVOT IS A CONCEPT FOR YOUR MIND, NOT A PHYSICAL ACT WITH YOUR HANDS...


YOUR MIND IS DIRECTING HANDS ALONG THE DELIVERY PATH IN TURN DIRECTING YOUR PIVOT TO MOVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT DELIVERY PATH....


HANDS CONTROLLED PIVOT IS NOT A PHYSICAL ACT THAT YOU DO WITH YOUR HANDS.....YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM.....FROM START-UP IT"S BACK, UP AND INWARD WITH THE RIGHT FOREARM AND CLUBHEAD TRACING THE DELIVERY LINE.....ONCE THE CLUB IS PARALLELTO THE PLANE LINE, YOU PHYSICALLY TAKE YOUR RIGHT FOREARM AND MOVE THE HANDS ALONG THE STRAIGHT LINE DELIVERY PATH UNTIL THE HANDS ARE SHOULDER HIGH, AS YOU TAKE THE HANDS ABOVE SHOULDER HIGH TO THE END ASSEMBLY POINT, THE HANDS MOVE UP THE ANGLE FORMED BY THE BENT RIGHT WRIST, Hence the name, "Top Arc and Straight Line Delivery Path"


THE GOLFING MACHINE IS AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM MUCH LIKE A FLYING MACHINE (an AIRCRAFT).....HOMER WORKED FOR BOEING, I WORK BOEING....THE GOLFING MACHINE was written like an engineer who would build an aircraft....it's a component system with the end result being a complex integrated system. After you learn the components, you must move quickly to understand how the components integrate into a complete system, which Homer called "The Star System of G.O.L.F". Study Chapter 9 and section 12-13-0.

DG

Tom taught... "the pivot controlls the hands on the backswing, and the right forearm controlls the Pivot on the downswing." "The hands do nothing but hold on."

Mr. Doyle Teaches... "the mind is in the hands, but the Pivot moves the hands."

The book does say in 2-M-3 that... "The Hands are strong, educated, adjustable clamps attaching the Club to the Arms for control of the Clubface alignments. By themselves they are actually able to drive the ball only a relatively short distance. Even the Wristcock is not properly an action of the Wrist muscles. So the only absolutely essential contribution of the Wrists is "holding on"."

What do you think?

Someone's way off all right!
 

DG,

"THE HAND CONTROLLED PIVOT IS A CONCEPT FOR YOUR MIND, NOT A PHYSICAL ACT WITH YOUR HANDS... "

While you were shouting, you might have pointed out where I said anything about Hand Control Pivot being a physical act with the hands. On the other hand, Hand Manipulation IS a physical act.

Important Concept
 

Guys,

Mind in the hands is one of TGM's biggest key concepts.

Let's make sure we temper the discussion without assaults on understanding. I'm certain most people who have been with TGM for over a couple of years are on the same page with this.

But for folks new to TGM, this is a VERY important concept. So let's clarify and expound where needed.

Thanks,

Bagger