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drewitgolf 11-06-2006 04:53 PM

Trying to get this straight
 
The Straight Line Delivery Path, which is made possible by Hip Slide and correct Axis Tilt will allow the hands to move in a straight line, but only for a short distance from Top 8-6 to approximately Downstroke 8-8. The Delivery Path directs the thrust at a specific Aiming Point on the Plane Line.

It maximizes the effect of the Endless Belt Effect.

Yoda 11-07-2006 12:04 AM

Delivery Path Graphics -- Prerequisite For Discussion
 
The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11.

As Golfbulldog and Sonic_Doom have observed, the actual Deivery Path of the Hands is not nearly as 'long' as illustrated. However, as Drew has pointed out, with Axis Tilt, it can and does exist, at least momentarily. And the Delivery Path of the Thrust is always the Straight Line toward the Aiming Point.

For the benefit of all, we need illustrations so we might intelligently discuss this most important concept. To that end, I have asked Annikan to re-post his photos plotting the Line Path from an earlier thread. He will have them up soon.

Thanks in advance, Annikan!

golfbulldog 11-07-2006 07:13 AM

Thanks - as a "Doubting Thomas"...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11.

As Golfbulldog and Sonic_Doom have observed, the actual Deivery Path of the Hands is not nearly as 'long' as illustrated. However, as Drew has pointed out, with Axis Tilt, it can and does exist, at least momentarily. And the Delivery Path of the Thrust is always the Straight Line toward the Aiming Point.

For the benefit of all, we need illustrations so we might intelligently discuss this most important concept. To that end, I have asked Annikan to re-post his photos plotting the Line Path from an earlier thread. He will have them up soon.

Thanks in advance, Annikan!

Thanks Yoda and Annikin, if I can see it, better still - feel it, then I am a believer. Look forward to the pics.

annikan skywalker 11-07-2006 04:34 PM

Top Arc/Straight Line - Swinging





Straight Line





Angled Line - Hitting




No Belt...One Big Pulley - Full Sweep



golfbulldog 11-07-2006 05:32 PM

Incredible... now I believe
 
Energy efficient light bulbs beaming bright now! and only a small carbon footprint!

Thanks for the rapid response Annikan and Yoda - I see that PP3 is plotted and the delivery paths of the swings vary accordingly.

I think that the majority of pro players i had assessed earlier ( on V1 software) would fit into a circle delivery path... but varying in radius. More dynamic power hitters having smaller radius... Sergio Garcia must be pretty straight line though~?

I would say that Ben Doyle's downswing has the most obvious straight line. Easy to see because he takes it to the top and not end ( but then if I can make it to start up swivel by Ben's age then I will consider myself lucky !!:) ).

Ben, I believe, states that he is "pivot powered" but "mind in hands". His hands ( PP3) never leave that straight line until pulley.

No matter what you call it his hands are feeding back ( command post) to his pivot!! No one would ever teach Ben's pivot as it is now ... but it does everything a pivot is required to do = move the hands where they need to go, trace a straight line and sustain lag... the fact that his zone 1 is able to achieve this despite the individual limitations that age has placed upon his body proves, to me at least, that his hands (mind) are truly controlling his pivot!


"The Delivery Path of the Hands and the Aiming Point of the Thrust are concepts unique to The Golfing Machine. Collectively, they constitute Component #23 and are illustrated in Photos 9-3-6/11. " by Yoda

Now I see it ...thanks.

It will help alot of people... I can't stop telling people about Homer and the society of people that he inspired!

Yoda 11-07-2006 06:16 PM

Hats Off To Annikan!
 
Thanks, Annikan. Great work! :salut:

You're a Charter Member of the LBG East Coast Support Team, and we appreciate it!

:)

glcoach 11-08-2006 09:43 AM

Thanks for the illustrations Annikan; they shed a lot of light.

3Putt 12-15-2008 11:27 PM

I can't see these illustrations.....is there a way to retrieve them or find them in the archives? Thanks.

3Putt

Jeff 12-15-2008 11:58 PM

I have prepared this photo for you in the hope that it may answer your question.



I chose a swing video of Tiger Woods where the camera was positioned at an angle, that would be more-or-less in line with the direction the hands would follow on their path to their impact location. I then used a spline tool to trace the hand arc path.

You can see that the hand arc path is U-shaped. It is impossible for the left hand to travel in a straight line in a full golf swing - because the left hand is merely the end of the left arm lever, which is swinging from a fulcrum point (left shoulder socket joint). Theoretically, the left hand should swing in a circular arc - if the left shoulder remained stationary in space. However, during the downswing, the left shoulder socket (fulcrum point for the left arm lever) is moving down-out-forward and that changes a circular hand arc path into an U-shaped handarc path.

However, as Yoda stated, it "feels" like one is pulling the hands down in a straight line thrust direction towards an aiming point.

Jeff.

GPStyles 12-16-2008 10:59 AM

thanks to 3putt for resurrecting a very interesting question.


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