6,

Either you and I just took a GIANT step out of the closet or we are very comfortable with our manhood. I'll have to check out VJay's khudonkadonk. Wonder what Mr. K would think about our discussion man butt?

I'll buy the drinks but somehow I doubt we'll get to chose the bar!

Buttket.

Sam Snead told President Eisenhower to "Hit it with your ass, Mr. President."

The Faster I Read, The Behinder I Get
 

I'm trying to follow this discussion, but I find myself getting further and further 'behind'. :D

When you get that notion your backfield in motion
 

Wonder what he would have told Bubba?

2-N-1 FORCE VECTORS Actually, the Path of the Orbiting Clubhead (7-23) is a resultant motion (2-C-1). That is, beside Centrfugal Force (2-K) it is subject to two other divergetn forces- one outward (Angle of Approach) and one downward (Angle of Attack).

A. The Outward Force results from the action of the Shoulder Turn (2-H) and/or the Right Arm Thrust (6-B-1) if there is any of either. Otherwise, the Lever Assemblies are pushed or swung outward from the Hinges (2-G).

B. The Downward Force Results from the action of Axis Tilt (Hip Slide 7-14) and/or the Uncocking Left Wrist (2-P) if ther is any of either. Otherwise, the Lever Assemblies are dropped, pulled or pushed downward form their fulcrums (6-A)

These two forces are "balanced out" (held On Plane 7-19) by Clubhead Lag (Hitting 10-19-A) or by Centrifugal Force (Swinging 10-19-C). So, On Plane Motion (2-F) automatically duplicates - but cannot annul and should not obscure - those vecotor forces (2-C-1).

This is a great concise description of how a G.O.L.F. swing should work IMO. I know we are to HIT DOWN but also we must STAY DOWN. I love how you guys are DOWN on the ball STAYING WITH IT. NO Bobbing. I have a tendency to move hips directly at the plane line e.g. standing up/losing posture/coming out of the shot.

Certainly this being DOWN on the Ball has huge ramifications on achieving a 3 dimensional impact.

Is there a good drill/thought to "Staying with it?"

Also, I think Yoda has a tighter booty than VJay.

I'm not gonna comment on anyone's tight booty....

But you guys don't let your hips turn very much eh?

If you could comment on that I'd appreciate it.

I always used to swing like that but everyone seems to have been telling me to get away from it...

One Good Turn Deserves Another
 

I have written often that the golfer's Machine needs a stable base (Feet and Knees) and a stable top (Stationary Head). However, I have never written that one should adopt in his Full Stroke Pattern a deliberately restricted Hip or Shoulder Turn (for example, the dubious "X" Factor I now hear being extolled in the background on The Golf Channel). In fact, between the Pivot's two stable points -- bottom and top -- we have (and must utilize for best results) an amazing Hula Hula Flexibility.

To that end, I advocate a Delayed Hip Action -- Shoulders Lead the Hips back and the Hips lead the Shoulders down -- but that does not mean a restricted Hip Turn. Unless, of course, it is the player's intention to limit that Turn and with it the length of the Backstroke.

Further, I advocate a Backstroke wherein the Right Shoulder always Turns back to the Plane. That alignment automatically dictates the amount of Right Shoulder Turn. The Flatter the Plane Angle, the more Turn required. Conversely, the more Upright the Plane, the less required.

The Hip and Shoulder Turns will also be influenced to some degree by the amount of Knee Bend. More Bend produces greater Backstroke Turn and Downstroke Slide and thus a flatter Plane Angle. Less Bend automatically restricts this action (in both directions) and produces a more upright Plane Angle.

Hand-Controlled-Pivot players have a tremendous advantage here over those who employ Pivot-Controlled-Hands. That is because this System eliminates the need to consciously govern the amount of the Hip and Shoulder Turns. Instead, the player needs only to point his Right Forearm at the Plane Line during Impact Fix and then return precisely to that alignment through the Ball.

Keep the videos coming.
 

6B:
Great video. Always look forward to seeing video from Canton. Have you put together the Hitter (Ted Fort) with the swinger (Michael Finney) yet? It was eye openning to watch those two swings in action, a pure hitter next to a pure swinger.

Brian was equally amazing. Despite not having played because of the torn achilles and limping, he could switch from hitting to swinging and call his shots with either pattern.

I played 6 of the holes with Ted that night when he shot his 32 which was impressive, but I did manage to smoke one drive 2 paces past his, no comment on our relative scores.

Thanks again for posting 6B and keep the videos coming. :)

Brothers In The Bond
 

Thanks, John. It was really great working with you in Canton, and I hope to be able to do it again soon. But now...

Admit it...

We can put up video until the cows come home, but ...

There is nothing...

Nothing...

Like being there!

Right?

In fact, the only thing that truly devastates me is when these Workshops are over. No kidding, I border on being clinically depressed. Early on, I would stay over a day -- these are nice places! -- to work on my own game. But I stopped when I found myself always surrounded by the ghosts of all the great guys who were there just yesterday, the memories of the things we worked on and the swings that will never again be the same. Post partem depression had absolutely nothing on me! I simply can't stand it when everybody has to fly away to their own part of the world.

It is absoultely, positively the toughest part of what I do.

Thank God for the Internet where I can know our bond every day.

Thanks a lot for the response Lynn.

.....the hips react to the turning of the shoulders.

Delayed Hip Action (10-15-B)- the amount of hip turn you have depends on (and is proportional to) however long your stroke is (and hence, however much you turn your shoulders)....i.e. there is no consious turning of the hips during the backswing as in a Standard Hip Action (10-15-A) swing (as in a swing like Bobby Jones??).

Got it.

SO X-Factor would then be Delayed PIVOT (10-12-C)?

Was this excerpt supposed to read: "That alignment automatically dictates the amount of right HIP turn"??? By chance? I just want to make sure.

The Plane Of The Turned Right Shoulder
 

Birdie,

Forget the 'X' Factor. It is irrelevant to students of The Golfing Machine®.

Regarding the excerpt, it is correct as written:

The Right Shoulder Turns back to the Plane, i.e., that Plane Angle whose Angle of Inclination (from the vertical Plane passing through the Sweetspot) is defined by the Turned Right Shoulder.