Ok, found a reference.

7-20, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence.

Maximum Trigger Delay....

I am of the belief it is synonomous with Snap Release. Though Homer does refer to it as 'trigger' (versus release).

Anyone...

ThOUGHTS????

Max Trigger Delay references:
6-B-1-C
6-B-2-C
6-B-3-C
6-B-4-C

The term 'Trigger Delay' is used quite regularly in the book, e.g. 2-P, 7-20, 6-R-0, 6-N-0, 6-F-0.

Re: Snap Release vs Max Trigger Delay
 

Lagster,

A sweep release with a max trigger delay changes the size of the pulley and hence the release type. The same is true of the Snap with Min Trigger. I don't think there is such an animal for either because the size of the pulley changes the release type. In other words, they are incompatible.
Thinking out loud here, but maybe using the "Automatic" variant of the release type would work for the above. But in doing so, the release sequence and clubface alignments are disturbed.

Bagger

Trigger Happy
 

In general, the Release Component (#24) refers to where in the Downstroke the Accumulators begin to fire. The Trigger Component (#20) refers to how that Release is to be initiated. The term Delay -- within the constraints of the boundaries of the selected Release -- refers to when that Triggering is to occur. Thus, though the three terms are coordinate, they remain independent and not synonomous.

The Snap Releases occur at the end of the Line Delivery Paths and the selected Trigger is Delayed until that point. If the Release is Triggered Automatically (in conjunction with the Aiming Point Procedure consciously or subconciously employed), then there will have been a Maximum Trigger Delay. Though The Golfing Machine does not define the term Minimum Trigger Delay, the student can infer that term to mean the earliest possible Non-Automatic Triggering (while respecting the entry boundary of the Snap Release).

The Random Sweep Releases occur prior to the end of the Delivery Paths -- at the Side -- earlier in the Downstroke than their Snap counterparts. If the selected Trigger is Automatic (again, via the Aiming Point Procedure), then a Maximum Trigger Delay will have been effected. If the Triggering is Non-Automatic and initiated as early as possible after the entry boundary of the Random Release, then there will have been Minimum Trigger Delay.

The Full Sweep Release begins immediately at Start Down. Hence, there is no Trigger Delay and, by definition, no Maximum or Minimum classification.

Epic Post Yoda !

It helps the fog :)

The ol' where, when and how :)

Tongzilla,
Thank you for the references.

Yoda,
Thank you for the answer.

Time to do some reviewing to make sense of all this!


-Patrick

Right Elbow Deep
 

I have read articles of many "pop" instructors advising the right elbow leading deep into the downstroke. "Try to get the right elbow in front of the navel."

Would this be considered "Max Trigger" of the Right Elbow or just a poor position? Before sipping the Yellow Koolaid I tried this and hit the ball where the elephants go to die.

Re: Right Elbow Deep
 

The perverted idea of a naval seeking Right Elbow. Oh dear #-o

It almost always takes the Right Forearm Off Plane.

Simply set the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. Bring the Forearm up, then back down this angle. How much simpler can you get? More importantly, how much more geometrically precise can you get?

Re: Trigger Happy
 

Yoda,
Again, thank you for your reply.

I think Tongzilla raises some interesting points, and in my mind, I am not sure we have cleared them up.

It doesnt seem to me that either 7-20 or 10-20 clears this up (though your post eliminates alot of confusion). Based upon this, do you think Homer felt it was inherent in the trigger type and release type the timing of the trigger?

In otherwards, you cannot have a snap with minimum trigger delay.

Make sense?

Thanks.

IMO...
 

Not Yoda, but from what I've learnt, this is what I think...

Snap Release is defined as a Release that's triggered at the end of a Delivery Path. So it concerns where it's Released -- and it's not a specific point/location -- because the end of the Delivery can be thought of as an area with boundaries.

If you want to use Max Trigger Delay in a Snap Release (or a Random Sweep Release, but not a Full Sweep Release), you must be using an Automatic Release. Because if it's Non-Automatic, you're thinking about manually triggering the release, and hence you will not be releasing as late as you can be, i.e. not Max Trigger Delay.
What would this look like? You would see the location of release delayed until the very end of the end of Delivery Path area.

So if you want to use Min Trigger Delay in a Snap Release, you will need a Non-Automatic Release.
What would this look like? You would see the location of release delayed until the beginning of the end of Delivery Path area. But it's still within the end of Delivery Path area which defines the Snap Release.

I hope this makes sense!