Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 89330)

You can hit from Pitch perhaps, maybe but why would you want to? Your Right Elbow would have to move back behind the hands very quickly during Release to pull it off. If your intention is to Push , Thrust why Align your Right Elbow in front of the Hands in a Pull position so late in the swing? You've also loaded along the wrong line, Reverse #2 pp against the Top instead of #1PP (and maybe #3pp, Direct Drive) against the Aft.


That said there are these Hitters who get late (ish) with some #2 Angle even but have their Right Elbows positioned to Push or Thrust. Lynn does this I believe. Ive got some photos somewhere. Drag then Drive Hitting. To the casual observer it can look a lot like a swing but it isn't. You've got to look at the Elbow position.

It can be a very elegant Hitting procedure .......or in Arnie's case brutish. That guy was strong. And long.

We're not talking 12-1 any more here ... this isn't Drive Loading. But it is Hitting. If you have 12-1 at one end of the spectrum and 12-2 at the other ......there's a lot of middle ground. But its best to master 12-1 and 2 before moving on . Start off compensation free and pure. Luke did when he re built his swing. Id say it turned out pretty good too..... Didn't take that long either.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 89337)

So what would be the implications of having this small of a pulley THIS LATE? I don't know nothing about Trackman...but it sure does seem like there is a lot of "Down" Vertical Swing Plane or whatever them cats call it to make up...Plus the clubhead is NOT thrown out to the ball at this point....so it seems like you'd be "swinging out on it" more or more positive horizontal swing path or whatever...and how do you not have some big ole shaft lean and with a driver no less....and your shoulders are closed...so your right shoulder geometry ain't working OUT and FORWARD to the ball ...yet....so seems like the tendency would be to swing under and out and raise the handle/shaft up off the plane ...because of the vertical motion of the right shoulder?

you're the physics cat...you swing the weight on the string...don't the weight want to fly out? Why delay the weight slinging out that long? You love it...but for what reason? Cuz it looks purty? Or because it is functional? If the clubhead were more out to the ball at this point...what would you be giving up in terms of MPH? What would you potentially gain in terms of hitting the ball where you is looking?

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 89347)

I am going to try and answer all with one YouTube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cns3T...eature=related

Make that two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLzaiZKP-M


HB

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 89337)

you're the physics cat...you swing the weight on the string...don't the weight want to fly out? Why delay the weight slinging out that long? You love it...but for what reason? Cuz it looks purty? Or because it is functional? If the clubhead were more out to the ball at this point...what would you be giving up in terms of MPH? What would you potentially gain in terms of hitting the ball where you is looking?

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 89355)

From a pure physics point of view the closer the shaft and clubhead to your body, the lower the MOI with respect to say the spine axis so the easier it is to keep accelerating with the pivot (same a a skater spinning with arms close to the body vs extended). Of course at some point that rotational speed need to be transferred to clubhead speed so timing becomes more and more critical as you keep clubhead lag later and later in the swing.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 89348)

Sorry man but this is TERRRRRRRRIBLE.....



Right shoulder has STALLED...face has rolled to the ground....looks like a great idea....if you want to hit it really low and you don't care where it goes...

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 89337)

you're the physics cat...you swing the weight on the string...don't the weight want to fly out?

I don't think strings- thay are bad

Why delay the weight slinging out that long?

The "sling out" is down plane and done from the pivot when the hands command. You must have a well trained pivot in yout computer for your hands to use. example- you walk to a door and open it as you pass through.- you think not about your walking but you assess the door, knob left or right, door open in or out. without a thought we walk to position the hands require for the job and we go through the door with hardly a pause, even if the door sticks we have hand feedback to put a little pivot against the door.

You love it...but for what reason? Cuz it looks purty? Or because it is functional?

I have a couple of requirements for the machine:
a.The left wrist only cocks and uncocks and forms a flat triangular plane, left shoulder, left wrist. center clubface. LFW
b.RFFW is fixed plane, not adjustable only movable. Right elbow, to right wrist to club head.

THERE IS NO "WIBBLE-WOBBLE" in this assembly.

There are circles within circles, shoulder plane, hand plane, club shaft plane, rotation of LFW to accomodate hinge, RFFW to on plane with and along plane/ plane line.

If the clubhead were more out to the ball at this point...what would you be giving up in terms of MPH? What would you potentially gain in terms of hitting the ball where you is looking?

Never thought about that???? Let me ask the question. If I hit the ball with a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and a straight plane line How can it go elsewhere?

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 89365)

Thats the machine- NO WIBBLE-WOBBLE allowed
Let me ask the question. If I hit the ball with a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and a straight plane line How can it go elsewhere?
HB

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 89367)

It can go anywhere if you don't account for the clubface...it's a HINGE ACTION of a circular motion on an inclined plane...so just because you have a lag pressure point and a flat left wrist and a straight plane line...that don't account for all the variables if you raise the handle and have the face rolling to the ground.....

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 89369)

Got it- Flat left wrist-clubface- used wrong
lag pressure point-club shaft- used wrong
straight plane line- club head used wrong

who knows where the ball will go.
I get it now.

You know if the handle come UP the plane is bent, roll the left wrist and the clubface is gone, etc. I said NO WIBBLE_WOBBLE there - all fixed

Believe- what you see in the TW pix is square clubface, horizontal hinge , no wibble-wobble, slightly forward lean at impact, very good squareing the clubface early.

HB