Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 80637)

Homer at one point discussed the laid off look some really fine golfers get at Top. Well I guess its not really at Top but in the very first stages of Startdown. A little wag of the club to the left. I dont think Homer mentioned Hogan in particular but he tossed around the idea that it was an early adoption of the Elbow Plane alignments .... briefly off plane in appearance but soon to look on plane once the shift to the elbow plane occurs.

The thing about this photo that makes it really look off is his footline which shouldnt be assumed to be an indicator of where the Plane Line is. Foot line and Plane Line are not one and the same. Another possibility is a fade shot perhaps. Not saying Hogan didnt get laid off , he did sometimes...

Food for thought.

Me I got a feeling his Right Elbow is tucking in Pitch style and wagging the club ....which is an early adoption of elbow plane alignments....

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 80640)

Look how steep Fowler's shaft angle is on that picture. It sure was flatter midway down.

Hogan and Palmer has a very similar shoulder turn, but Hogan's pivot is more driven by the hips and feet while Palmer's motion is more upper body oriented.

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80641)

Hmm? I drew an almost perfect circle. Then overlayed the Hand Path Plots, then revolved the circle using a 3D tool.




this is the circle

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 80642)

Ask yourself the questions . . . what components are causing the "handle to raise up"? . . . . there are culprits.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 80643)

Uncompensated stroke?????

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80645)

Well, it kinda means that his Hands and Shoulders move in unison pretty much.

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 80647)

Bucket, staying on the Elbow Plane through to Both Arms Straight gives Hogan that look. But Angled Hinging would decrease the clubhead travel and add a real feeling for "swinging left" with the handle or hands too right?

Is there an advantage to be had to this over say Rickies or Phil's CF release to your mind?

Given 1-L-18 a shift would , ideally , have you still aligned to the same plane line so Ricky's not necessarily off plane with that move is he? So whats different in terms impact geometry.......angle of attack maybe.....but not arc of approach assuming hes on plane.