sounds interesting - how did it go on the range ?

So weird!
 

By keeping my club face open and Pivoting/Pulling straight left, my right shoulder seemed like it was driving my hands to the ball, but I could not make my shoulder just do it. Anyway, I pushed a lot of balls 5-10 yards right of the targets on the screen, usually at the targets or over them! :golfcart:

Last night, I was consistently 10-15 yards short of the video targets. Tonight, I was even with them or a little past. It felt like I was hitting the ball with more of of my body. My PW went to 62 mph according to the radar and was about 125-128 yards.

I really realized that I try to drive my hands a lot and am disconnected. The "left" down stroke feels a lot more like an oblique angle, a lot flatter and my right shoulder felt like it was really driving the hands to the ball-like an axe-flat more than steep.

Very interesting.

ICT

Back to post one . The yellow line attached to the right shoulder. It points more out in startdown then more down later on........ Is that significant or am I off topic again.

Bucket Im truly interested in "where you coming from" so lay it on the line, baby.
No harm no fowl......no chicken wing, no sheep, no whatever. Im in.

That last photo sure looks like he's going to .........CP, or swing left or .........Angled hinge on the elbow plane, whatever. Im throwing around terms that I really dont understand here. ..........cept for the last bit maybe.

Here's what I consider to be Launching Pad..........like i said earlier but this is just me.......right shoulder kinda hangs back. Although 4B it would go through more.

You'd tend to think Arnie was 4B given all the effort etc but upon looking at this sequence? I dunno . Look at how little his right shoulder moves from frame 8 to Both Arms Straight, frame 10. Launching pad or what? So was his shoulder move in Startdown Motion or Work?

Did he load the Knuckle ?......no way especially given his "literally flat , geometrically arched" left Hand at Top. First joint index finger for sure Id say. But......

Maybe Yoda, who is a huge Arnie aficionado would have a more learned opinion. Actually I know he would.

This man was a King.

When I was playing my best this summer, it felt like my initial move to the ball was a pulling action to get my hips clear and hands positioned to then PUSH through impact.

I then proceeded to fight this from the end of summer on, thinking that was the path to becoming a "switter." I think, for me, this may be the right feeling to keep my hands from going OTT.

I'll be working on getting the feeling from the Alignment DVD exercises. I'm especially concentrating on that initial hip slide and stretch while the hands remain behind. THAT feeling will be the one I suspect that will let me know long before the swing finishes if the results are going to be good! No stretch feeling, probably not going to be an optimal swing. Good stretch, sequencing likely to be good with hands in a position to drive down AND out.

Motion Versus Work
 

Thanks for this, O.B.

In the Start Down, the Right Shoulder Acceleration is actuated by the Hip Turn. This Hip Turn -- with its Action -- is more than mere Motion. In fact, it does the work that throws the Right Shoulder (and with it, the entire Power Package) into Release.

Motion permits but causes nothing.

Work actuates and causes everything.

Arnie definitely pulled the Club from the Top.

Then, from Release, he drove it through Impact and Follow-Through.


:salut:

"pulled then drove" Swingers startdown Drag, then Drive.


So we're looking at 4B with Arnie there is that right? Shoulder Work?

Perhaps we're discussing the quick flip of the hips versus the slow startdown? So when I see a rather static right shoulder positon from Release to Both Arms Straight am I wrongly assuming Shoulder motion from Top to Release , 3B ?


So , even for Drag then Drive 4B , there can still be a rather static "launching pad" right shoulder? Is that right?

Or maybe the Right Shoulder is rather, somewhat static from Release to Both ARm straight for swingers and hitter alike .....somewhat. This is something Ive been looking at. Homer did say after all, that the swinging or hitting the right arm is always driving.......

Sure . . . to you first point . . . pointing more out at startdown . . . could just be the way I drew the lines. Not too precise. I was just trying to illustrate the tip of the right shoulder working on top of the left arm . . .

However . . you are correct it does in fact point more "out". Hogan tended to "lay the shaft down" at start down. So it's "super flat and off plane-ish"





Then he steepens it out . . .

There are some pretty distinct similarities in the shoulder motions . . . but the hips do considerably different things LATE . .

Have a look . . .










Right shoulder stays pretty high and works out.

Compare the hip motion . . .