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JerryG 03-14-2011 02:05 PM

City,
I've been thinking of those "Dawg" golf slippers of yours. I think you might want to step up a bit. I just saw a web page for the perfect multi-functional golf shoe for the urban golfer.
I've sent the web site to BamBam for permission to post. Otherwise I'll send an e-mail your way.

JerryG 03-14-2011 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 83059)
Not feeling TOO much pressure!

:confused1

:laughing9

:salut:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 83104)
City,
I've been thinking of those "Dawg" golf slippers of yours. I think you might want to step up a bit. I just saw a web page for the perfect multi-functional golf shoe for the urban golfer.
I've sent the web site to BamBam for permission to post. Otherwise I'll send an e-mail your way.

Here's the web site: http://firstmultifunctionalgolf.com

Daryl 03-14-2011 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 83111)
Here's the web site: <http://firstmultifunctionalgolf.com>

:laughing9 :laughing9 :laughing9

innercityteacher 03-14-2011 06:51 PM

Toolkit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 83111)

Uhmmm, my tool kit is in no need of further upgrade. :)

I have lost a few pounds though, due to baby carrot sticks for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and a Slimfast shake!

Am I supposed to eat the can? I'm feeling like eating the metal can....

ICT

JerryG 03-15-2011 06:29 PM

You're certainly a cheap date.

innercityteacher 03-15-2011 10:20 PM

Happiness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 83137)
You're certainly a cheap date.

Has anyone been watching Pipe Dream?

You all know the saying that "Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have."

This site, and all the nice people here, and the instruction, and seeing Lynn and experiencing his insights, all of that makes me very happy!

Thanks to my HP and to all of you!

ICT

innercityteacher 03-17-2011 02:18 PM

Overswinginging
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 83137)
You're certainly a cheap date.

About four years ago, I spent money on a series of Golftech lessons. The instructor, who seemed like a nice guy, steadfastly refused to explain the why of anything. I remember that he would keep showing me pictures of Stuart Appleby and make me stand in a very constricted position and not breath.

It's very fuzzy in my mind, now, but one day, I felt the club just sort of hit the ball by itself in the sweet spot. I went out and shot an 84 having no thought except "Don't move and don't breathe."

And then it was gone. I had no clue so I asked the guy where it went. He said "you'll need eight more lessons!" Honest.

I walked out. Last summer, I had an AI who made one $30 lesson last 90 minutes. I learned a ton.

But he wasn't Lynn or LBG, though he read the book.

I keep thinking the "Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist " is huge. I know I over swing a lot.

I will research "overswinging." My sense is that the Vertically Uncocking left wrist, to be truly effective, must move very little in an alignment sense. it has to be that way to get the right "baton twirl" at the bottom. We'll see! :golf:

ICT

Yoda 03-17-2011 07:15 PM

A Search For 'Happiness'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83139)

This site, and all the nice people here, and the instruction, and seeing Lynn and experiencing his insights, all of that makes me very happy!

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]

Thanks for being here, Patrick. I appreciate your posts and read every one. You add a lot of wood to the fire, and that keeps us all hopping. :eyes:

Years ago in my past financial life, I wrote a piece on happiness in our Client Letter. This was in the giddy days before the market break in 2000, and I wanted to offer perspective.

For several years I also wrote an end-of-day market commentary that I would email to clients and friends in the investment management and brokerage industry. These were the early days of the Internet, and you can't believe how naive I was (especially as to how all this stuff gets passed around). Anyway . . .

Turns out I had a rather large following, especially guys in the retail wirehouse trenches such as Merrill, Morgan Stanley, and Robinson Humphrey (a southeast regional now gone). How did I find out? At first, in dribbles and drabs, mostly brokers telephoning and emailing me from home telling me how the office was reading me at work! Mostly, though, I learned when I stopped writing. Then, the floodgate opened.

I'll look in my storage bins next time I'm back in Atlanta for the 'Happiness' piece. It was a personal favorite of mine and worth reprinting here. Stay tuned!

:salut:

innercityteacher 03-17-2011 10:49 PM

Floodgates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 83176)
Thanks for being here, Patrick. I appreciate your posts and read every one. You add a lot of wood to the fire, and that keeps us all hopping. :eyes:

Years ago in my past financial life, I wrote a piece on happiness in our Client Letter. This was in the giddy days before the market break in 2000, and I wanted to offer perspective.

For several years I also wrote an end-of-day market commentary that I would email to clients and friends in the investment management and brokerage industry. These were the early days of the Internet, and you can't believe how naive I was (especially as to how all this stuff gets passed around). Anyway . . .

Turns out I had a rather large following, especially guys in the retail wirehouse trenches such as Merrill, Morgan Stanley, and Robinson Humphrey (a southeast regional now gone). How did I find out? At first, in dribbles and drabs, mostly brokers telephoning and emailing me from home telling me how the office was reading me at work! Mostly, though, I learned when I stopped writing. Then, the floodgate opened.

I'll look in my storage bins next time I'm back in Atlanta for the 'Happiness' piece. It was a personal favorite of mine and worth reprinting here. Stay tuned!

:salut:

That market correction ended my career at AMEX Lynn, as a single-income guy. I was working 70 hours a week back then with two secretaries who netted about what I did until the crash.

I went into teaching. I am happier, with a steadier income, appreciated every day, and about to start shooting par on purpose!

Japan needs our happiness! Many do!

ICT

innercityteacher 03-18-2011 03:00 PM

Shooting Sub-Par on Purpose!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83179)
That market correction ended my career at AMEX Lynn, as a single-income guy. I was working 70 hours a week back then with two secretaries who netted about what I did until the crash.

I went into teaching. I am happier, with a steadier income, appreciated every day, and about to start shooting par on purpose!

Japan needs our happiness! Many do!

ICT

OK, sportsfans. It's time to put on the big-boy shoes and pursue reality with a hammer!

This next year, my second on LBG Golf, will be considered a failure if I do not shoot at least one "70" at my home course where par is "71!"

Last year, I officially failed in my goal to move my GHIN index from 21 to single digits. My GHIN now stands at 10.9.

I am going all out for this. In the third week in April, I will be visiting with Lynn from Sunday evening the 17th to Thursday afternoon the 21st.

As a way of preparing for this adventure, I've deduced a little strategy and I'm opening my thoughts for scrutiny. (Daryl, this might hurt ALOT!)

My favorite LBG video for starters, is "The Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist." Last summer, whenever my golf game was "slipping into darkness," keeping my RFT and EA on Plane and giving a little nudge to uncock that wrist, put me on or near the green most of the time. It only works for me from 150 yards in, cause I have no skills and It's my one magic trick.

I learned something else a little more recently via the "Crapsmacker" video. I learned the power of the "uppercut" action. One of the threads on the forums, the "baseball hit" I think it was 12 Piece or OB Left, Mike or Daryl, really helped me with all of that.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...light=baseball

So, doing a little "video mathematics," If I take the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist and tape it to the "Crapsmacker," I ought to be able to shoot sub-par on purpose!

So, my strategy is this, so far. I have to learn how to perfect that mechanism and all its logically, bio-mechanically related components. To that end, I believe that the most complete video offered by Lynn is: "Are You Prepared To Roll On That Line?"

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=121

I hope my reasons are sound for this choice. In this video, Lynn explains the MACHINE from Top to Finish Swivel and the Vertically Uncocking Left wrist is discussed albeit in a larger context. Anyway, if the motion is sound, then all I need is the right set-up and Lynn can show me all of that and all the other stuff I'm missing. :(

Geez, it might take three weeks with Lynn! :)


ICT

Daryl 03-18-2011 03:46 PM

"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. "

innercityteacher 03-18-2011 05:55 PM

Red Please!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 83210)
"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. "

I WANT THE RED PILL!


Did you have any doubts? :laughing9

ICT

Daryl 03-18-2011 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83215)
I WANT THE RED PILL!


Did you have any doubts? :laughing9

ICT

No, not at all.. It's just that....."Crapsmacking" combined with the strong "Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist" aren't very compatible. Swingers focus on the Left Wrist while Hitters focus on the Left Hand.

innercityteacher 03-19-2011 01:07 AM

in the right place
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 83216)
No, not at all.. It's just that....."Crapsmacking" combined with the strong "Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist" aren't very compatible. Swingers focus on the Left Wrist while Hitters focus on the Left Hand.

That's why I'm in this bar. I did not know that. I thought the Hitting action sort of blurred the distinction but I was wrong. Thanks, D. More research needed.


ICT

innercityteacher 03-22-2011 08:53 PM

4 Weeks to see Lynn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83221)
That's why I'm in this bar. I did not know that. I thought the Hitting action sort of blurred the distinction but I was wrong. Thanks, D. More research needed.


ICT


Ok sports fans I need a no-nonsense curriculum to prepare for seeing Lynn. You all know I love "Uncocking the Vertical Left Wrist."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc

But, the thought has occurred to me that I might be better off majoring in Basic Motion and doing as Lynn shows he does with other students.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMEHlA4UMjs

Suggestions from the gang? ( I think it's unfair to ask Lynn for a couple of weeks yet, since he makes his livelyhood in this fashion.)


ICT

innercityteacher 03-22-2011 09:05 PM

My questions #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83280)
Ok sports fans I need a no-nonsense curriculum to prepare for seeing Lynn. You all know I love "Uncocking the Vertical Left Wrist."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc

But, the thought has occurred to me that I might be better off majoring in Basic Motion and doing as Lynn shows he does with other students.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMEHlA4UMjs

Suggestions from the gang? ( I think it's unfair to ask Lynn for a couple of weeks yet, since he makes his livelyhood in this fashion.)


ICT

I have really concentrated on a FBRW (Frozen Bent Right Wrist). Assuming a Swing, Do I hit the ball with FLW/FBRW assembly and then Finish Swivel out

or

do I very loosely RFT w/EA and ever so slightly tilt my right elbow with my Pivot carrying the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist closer to the ball and letting the left wrist and PP # 4 be CF'D through the club over taking the arms and going to the Finish Swivel?


Please be gentle! I realize now that a total idiot :hello: like me can block the ball around the course and have a single digit handicap. How do I know this? Because, I am still uncertain of so much and can score in the high 70's. :dontknow:

Didn't Hogan say something to the effect that anyone could shoot 80?


ICT

innercityteacher 03-22-2011 09:26 PM

Question # 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83282)
I have really concentrated on a FBRW (Frozen Bent Right Wrist). Assuming a Swing, Do I hit the ball with FLW/FBRW assembly and then Finish Swivel out

or

do I very loosely RFT w/EA and ever so slightly tilt my right elbow with my Pivot carrying the Vertically Uncocking Left Wrist closer to the ball and letting the left wrist and PP # 4 be CF'D through the club over taking the arms and going to the Finish Swivel?


Please be gentle! I realize now that a total idiot :hello: like me can block the ball around the course and have a single digit handicap. How do I know this? Because, I am still uncertain of so much and can score in the high 70's. :dontknow:

Didn't Hogan say something to the effect that anyone could shoot 80?


ICT



Let's say my Wedges FLW/FBRW, are correct ( I won't believe they are until Lynn or one of his staff eyeballs the wedges).

Is Lynn just so practised that his FBRW and Finish Swivel look smooth though they are both solid as a rock.

Lynn is displaying the Finish Swivel below and he shows, at the end of the tape, the "stiff" Both Arms Straight position and the smooth overtaking of the hand by the club into the Finish Swivel. When I go to Both Arms Straight i look so clunky and forget to Finish Swivel since I'm trying so hard to extend so far! :golfer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

If I can block the ball around the course to high 70's, I know I can get to sub par potential if I can Finish Swivel! :hello2:

I WANT TO FIND WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!!

ICT

innercityteacher 03-22-2011 09:36 PM

Question #3 and # 4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83285)
Let's say my Wedges FLW/FBRW, are correct ( I won't believe they are until Lynn or one of his staff eyeballs the wedges).

Is Lynn just so practised that his FBRW and Finish Swivel look smooth though they are both solid as a rock.

Lynn is displaying the Finish Swivel below and he shows, at the end of the tape, the "stiff" Both Arms Straight position and the smooth overtaking of the hand by the club into the Finish Swivel. When I go to Both Arms Straight i look so clunky and forget to Finish Swivel since I'm trying so hard to extend so far! :golfer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

If I can block the ball around the course to high 70's, I know I can get to sub par potential if I can Finish Swivel! :hello2:

I WANT TO FIND WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!!

ICT

I can over-swivel all day. I can block all day. What is the chief sin of the over swivel? Is it a failure to maintain the FLW/FBRW and collapse the structure too early?

What is the chief sin of the block? Is it a chicken wing and the failure to allow the club to overtake the hands?

So where is the happy medium where is the MACHINE? :study: :shaking:

ICT

Daryl 03-23-2011 01:56 AM

I can over-swivel all day. I can block all day.

no, you can Twist your Hands all day. Twisting is not swiveling. The #3 Accumulator is assisted by the #3 Pressure Point. With Horz Hinge Action with the #3 PP, Finish Swivel is going to happen with a Flat Left Wrist. Swinging without the #3 PP Pressure through Impact will require you to consciously Swivel. That's the Hard Way.


What is the chief sin of the over swivel? Is it a failure to maintain the FLW/FBRW and collapse the structure too early?

You can't Over-swivel. You can Over-Twist.


What is the chief sin of the block? Is it a chicken wing and the failure to allow the club to overtake the hands?

The Pivot Blocks the Shot. Or Steering

So where is the happy medium where is the MACHINE? :study: :shaking:

Start with the First Wobble.

Aim the #3 PP and keep that pressure through Impact or all the way to Finish. Start Slow.

innercityteacher 03-23-2011 11:15 AM

Too cool for school
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 83290)
I can over-swivel all day. I can block all day.

no, you can Twist your Hands all day. Twisting is not swiveling. The #3 Accumulator is assisted by the #3 Pressure Point. With Horz Hinge Action with the #3 PP, Finish Swivel is going to happen with a Flat Left Wrist. Swinging without the #3 PP Pressure through Impact will require you to consciously Swivel. That's the Hard Way.


What is the chief sin of the over swivel? Is it a failure to maintain the FLW/FBRW and collapse the structure too early?

You can't Over-swivel. You can Over-Twist.


What is the chief sin of the block? Is it a chicken wing and the failure to allow the club to overtake the hands?

The Pivot Blocks the Shot. Or Steering

So where is the happy medium where is the MACHINE? :study: :shaking:

Start with the First Wobble.

Aim the #3 PP and keep that pressure through Impact or all the way to Finish. Start Slow.

The first wobble? I have so many!


Thank you D! Now I have to really go back to therapy!


Seriously, very helpful answer. I will begin to incorporate the changes asap.


ICT

Daryl 03-23-2011 01:57 PM

It's like the Old Saying: "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer". Start with the first wobble and get that alignment corrected. Then the second and so on. The more you have under control, the easier it becomes to get the 3rd, 4th and so forth.

dodger 03-23-2011 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83302)
The first wobble? I have so many!


Thank you D! Now I have to really go back to therapy!


Seriously, very helpful answer. I will begin to incorporate the changes asap.


ICT

Best way for me was starting at the finish. Flat left wrist, full swivel at end of swing. Work backwards to find wobble. Put yourself in finish position and then figure out how to get there. Kevin Carter taught me that and it still works better than anything else. One thing you will notice is how much control over the club you have at the finish. I used to smack the back of my neck, I flipped so bad. Now it slots up there like Nick Price.

innercityteacher 03-23-2011 08:24 PM

Delivery Line Roll Prep!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 83290)
I can over-swivel all day. I can block all day.

no, you can Twist your Hands all day. Twisting is not swiveling. The #3 Accumulator is assisted by the #3 Pressure Point. With Horz Hinge Action with the #3 PP, Finish Swivel is going to happen with a Flat Left Wrist. Swinging without the #3 PP Pressure through Impact will require you to consciously Swivel. That's the Hard Way.


What is the chief sin of the over swivel? Is it a failure to maintain the FLW/FBRW and collapse the structure too early?

You can't Over-swivel. You can Over-Twist.


What is the chief sin of the block? Is it a chicken wing and the failure to allow the club to overtake the hands?

The Pivot Blocks the Shot. Or Steering

So where is the happy medium where is the MACHINE? :study: :shaking:

Start with the First Wobble.

Aim the #3 PP and keep that pressure through Impact or all the way to Finish. Start Slow.

DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

OK, I have been using my dowels.

DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP

The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.


Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.

I can describe it sort of , but can I do it? :study:

Thank you Daryl and Dodger for suggesting doable solutions.




Of course, with the proper Extensor Action....and drills to roll on the line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

ICT

KevCarter 03-24-2011 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83314)
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

OK, I have been using my dowels.

DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP

The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.


Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.

I can describe it sort of , but can I do it? :study:

Thank you Daryl and Dodger for suggesting doable solutions.




Of course, with the proper Extensor Action....and drills to roll on the line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

ICT

Patrick,

Right before meeting Dodger, I got lucky and had studied both those videos in depth. It was at the front of my tiny brain, and just happened to be the prescription Dodger needed. I can't tell you how often I have applied those ideas since then. You can't control what happens through the impact interval on full swings by thinking about impact. Address -> Top -> Finish. Homer Kelley understood it, YODA taught us, all we have to do is pay attention.

Read Dodger's post carefully. Great information there. The difference it made to our friend Dodger's swing was wonderful. Thanks YODA! :thumright

Kevin

innercityteacher 03-24-2011 10:43 AM

Perfection
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 83325)
Patrick,

Right before meeting Dodger, I got lucky and had studied both those videos in depth. It was at the front of my tiny brain, and just happened to be the prescription Dodger needed. I can't tell you how often I have applied those ideas since then. You can't control what happens through the impact interval on full swings by thinking about impact. Address -> Top -> Finish. Homer Kelley understood it, YODA taught us, all we have to do is pay attention.

Read Dodger's post carefully. Great information there. The difference it made to our friend Dodger's swing was wonderful. Thanks YODA! :thumright

Kevin

Thanks Kevin. I know Dodger is a golfing beast and he gives good advice! I have to really have Lynn's videos on to get the correct positions over and over. I know he gave me a gift as did Daryl and so many others here.

I have a full length mirror in my spiffy bachelor pad and an impact bag, my clubs and the sorted laundry bins (whites and colors) . That is my only furniture in the living room (LOL!). It has been too cold for yard sales yet, and I am furiously saving my ruples for "the big dance" at Cuscowilla and the epic journey to Minneapolis and Madison and Hershey.

So, anyway, I practice everything, well almost everything :whistle: , in front of the mirror. It actually reminds me of your Batcave at the luxurious Green Haven.

I set up my laptop and watch the videos and practice in the mirror. I am very,very happy. :drool:

I can't figure out why I am so happy, but trust me. I am really feeling great. :thumright :thumleft: It might be the "Cuscowilla Borealis," although there is this young lady....ha!

ICT

KevCarter 03-24-2011 10:45 AM

Thats great news my friend! Happy things are going so well!!!

Kevin

dodger 03-24-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83327)
Thanks Kevin. I know Dodger is a golfing beast and he gives good advice! I have to really have Lynn's videos on to get the correct positions over and over. I know he gave me a gift as did Daryl and so many others here.

I have a full length mirror in my spiffy bachelor pad and an impact bag, my clubs and the sorted laundry bins (whites and colors) . That is my only furniture in the living room (LOL!). It has been too cold for yard sales yet, and I am furiously saving my ruples for "the big dance" at Cuscowilla and the epic journey to Minneapolis and Madison and Hershey.

So, anyway, I practice everything, well almost everything :whistle: , in front of the mirror. It actually reminds me of your Batcave at the luxurious Green Haven.

I set up my laptop and watch the videos and practice in the mirror. I am very,very happy. :drool:

I can't figure out why I am so happy, but trust me. I am really feeling great. :thumright :thumleft: It might be the "Cuscowilla Borealis," although there is this young lady....ha!

ICT

You would think in Philly you could find something that fell off the back of a truck, as my college roomate Kenny "the stick" Igliozzi used to say. In seriousness Patrick I am beginning to look at Tiger's swing the same way. Where is the wobble and why? At finish we have a position we try to swing to, a destination. How do we get there efficiently? If we want to use an angled hinge action and head left after impact, would a backswing that is below the turned shoulder plane get there? or maybe a turning shoulder plane would be better? Think of David Toms. The magic of Kevin's lesson to me was eliminating the position consciousness and focusing on the destination. When I got there, I was on plane, hinged perfectly and the ball did what I wanted. This is why a teacher well versed in the golfing machine is necessary. It is like one of those chinese buffets where you go thru a line and tell the guy what you want in the stir fry. It can end up tasting like crap because you are deciding what to put in. Have the chef do it and it tastes great. The components of the golfing machine need to be put together by someone well versed in the book. It is easy to get attracted to a certain plane or hinge and not have the other components necessary to make it work. That is why Kevin had me start at the end.

innercityteacher 03-24-2011 02:56 PM

Problems with languages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodger (Post 83335)
You would think in Philly you could find something that fell off the back of a truck, as my college roomate Kenny "the stick" Igliozzi used to say. In seriousness Patrick I am beginning to look at Tiger's swing the same way. Where is the wobble and why? At finish we have a position we try to swing to, a destination. How do we get there efficiently? If we want to use an angled hinge action and head left after impact, would a backswing that is below the turned shoulder plane get there? or maybe a turning shoulder plane would be better? Think of David Toms. The magic of Kevin's lesson to me was eliminating the position consciousness and focusing on the destination. When I got there, I was on plane, hinged perfectly and the ball did what I wanted. This is why a teacher well versed in the golfing machine is necessary. It is like one of those chinese buffets where you go thru a line and tell the guy what you want in the stir fry. It can end up tasting like crap because you are deciding what to put in. Have the chef do it and it tastes great. The components of the golfing machine need to be put together by someone well versed in the book. It is easy to get attracted to a certain plane or hinge and not have the other components necessary to make it work. That is why Kevin had me start at the end.

Thanks Dodger. I believe what you are saying but languages have a contextual horizon, meaning that everyone needs a starting point. And after a year of thinking I know something and I have learned something, I am a little fatigued and confused.

So let's take the Both Arms Straight position. I tried to get to that position with my AI who recognized the TGM term but called it something else and said that other things were more important. He might have been right, too. So the fault is mine for not seeking out Lynn or one of his posse early on. I need a "witness" so to speak to tell me when I'm screwing up.

Wobbles are not forever but they last a long time and I really should've journeyed South right away. I did reach out to one of the Senior men in VA but he was busy and retired I think. His writings are foundational and I would've driven the 4 hours several times to see him with very little hesitation.

Spilt milk.

My real solution, I think, is to study with LBG, get certified, find a log cabin in 12 years and hoist up an LBG banner here in Arnold Palmer country. I can sell effectively, when I know I know what the heck I'm speaking about and can demonstrate. Everything is a tax write-off anyway or at least it has been and hopefully will remain so.

ICT

JerryG 03-26-2011 12:06 PM

Gents,
I just returned from three cold blustery days of golf in Kansas City with our high school team. Possibly 8 of the finest young fellows in a rather large radius.
Iron Horse, Prairie Highlands and The Golf Club of Kansas. The first two were very fun, challenging courses. The latter was an absolute work of art.
One of our young charges took ten lessons from a "teacher" last fall and winter. The biggest waste of money since we bailed out the banks. His frustration was so severe we could not get him to even just delve into a little BM and AM to begin the remedy.
Had I seen the dodger's message above I could have put him on the comeback trail. He Will be on it beginning Monday. Thanks.

O.B.Left 03-26-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83314)
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP!

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE GOLFING MACHINE LIVES!


OK, I have been using my dowels.

DELIVERY LINE PREP
DELIVERY LINE UN-COCKING PREP
DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP

The "Swinger's Swivel" is a Pivot initiated pull. The only way to get the club to overtake the forearm in a controlled Finish Swivel is to pull from the Pivot and maintain the # 3 PP against the handle.


Now, if my maintain my # 4 PP against my left side and Pivot, not twisting my hands, my Pivot will cause my front elbow to go left and my club to overtake my hands.

I can describe it sort of , but can I do it? :study:



InnerCity

If I may offer a thought on this. You need to allow the Left Arm to Blast Off.

The above Preparation is done when you are at TOP. It is the visualization of the geometrically correct Sequenced Release of the Swinger. The Golfer's Flail swished down plane and pointed at the Straight Line Base Line. The Left Arm must blast off, accelerate away from the Pivot.

As an aside think of this Preparation as the goal or intention of the Downswing making it and the Downswing Waggle , the associated drill, the cure for "Downswing Blackout". While tremendous emphasis is placed upon the Roll of the #3 Accumulator in 12-3 and see also the connection between Horizontal Hinging and compression in the drawings of 2-C, I find it hard to feel this Roll unless I have first Uncocked #2. #2 is "velocity power" while Homer labelled #3 "transfer power". From my own experience Id recommend you practice your Downswing Waggles as per usual but try a Release Trigger a Left Wrist Throw and see if it brings the flail to life. You'll know you've awakened your flail when you feel its seductive easy power. It'll seem very "non steering like".

-From Top , having already slid your Hips target wards a few inches to get your weight on your left side . But with a Delayed Turn so your Hips are still in there turned condition.

-Having established a TSP angle at Top.

-Take your intact , fully loaded Power Package down the Inclined Plane with your Right Shoulder , with your PIvot from the Ground Up. Your Right Shoulder diving towards the plane line as actuated by the Hips which are motivated by the feet ......"Right , Left, Right , Left "

- So Right Shoulder goes down plane in Startdown, then as you approach Release add a little Left Wrist Throw. An on plane left wrist hammering or uncocking to initiate the Release of the #2 Angle On Plane (with the Right Palm still flat to the underside of the Plane).


I personally didnt feel much Rolling till I got the Uncocking happening in my Golfers Flail and you have to Roll to see Homers Flail do its magic. Like a three stage rocket , if you can't find/feel stage 3 , take a look at stage 1 and 2 first.

Another drill to enhance the feel of the left arm Flail (which I also learned from a Yoda demonstration) was to zero out the Pivot by adopting what other teachers have referred to as the "stork drill". Where you stand on your left leg primarily with your right leg just acting as a brace , way back behind the line which makes one swing with just the arms. You cant make contact very easily without letting your left arm blast off somewhat and you cant compress it very well without Rolling a nice little Horizontal Hinge. As you do this drill from Top think Delivery Line Uncocking Prep, Delivery Line Roll Prep, Sequenced Release. Add the Left Wrist Throw for the uncocking and you will see your Golfer Flail appear. A left arm Blast off, with an on plane uncocking and an on line rolling, Sequenced Release. More inside out for balls played back of low point.

The Swingers cure for Downswing Blackout and a method of heightening or isolating the Feels associated with the Startdown , Downswing and Release mechanics. Its all about the isolation of the components and learning to replicate them individually by feel during training, drills, learning. In the end you'll feel a whole but freewheeling golfers flail that operates on auto pilot. Homer said you could almost fall asleep mid swing and it would still keep flailing. Got to find it before you can set it free.

P.S. This throw was a Mike Austin favourite. Think he called it his "power throw" or something maybe. Anyways Homer thought that upon mastery of this Non Auto Left Wrist Throw you could graduate to an Automatic Throw and in combination with the Aiming Point Procedure achieve Automatic Snap Release.... Im still waiting for that day to arrive. Might need a lesson on that one to make it happen. Always been a Random Sweeper.

KevCarter 03-26-2011 02:27 PM

My gosh OB. AWESOME POST!!!

O.B.Left 03-26-2011 03:13 PM

Hah thanks Kev.

Thats a severe case of medical students syndrome Im displaying. Thats what Im working on right now ...... and for me right now the Flail seems like both the cause and cure for everything I look at.

I get arched block my #2 loading , cant Left Wrist Throw and the wheels fall off. I can go to Hitting but I had a super seductive encounter with the Swingers Flail last fall . Homers golf flail is like the other Homers sirens maybe? Gonna go searching for it even if it means crashing my boat up against the rocks. Darn easy power.....its beguiling and a tease at present. I will have it though, even if I must be strapped to the mast of Swinging.

On second thought if it dont work Ill just wack the heck out of it with my right arm throw.

O.B.Left 03-26-2011 03:44 PM

Hey Kev

I tried for a while to swing with just my left arm attached to train the flail but Im thinking the stork drill is the way to go now. With just the left arm attached it got very un string like..... anything but passive. It started doing a lot of lifting on the backswing too, heavy lifting it being on the other side of the body from the backswing lift. Bad habits all. I even tried taking a running start at the swing from follow through back to address to give the club some momentum so the left arm didnt have to lift but Im just doing the stork now. Its amazing how easy is to hit a pretty good shot, you're already nicely left etc.

Its doesnt go as far as normal but almost, interestingly. Makes me wonder just how much Pivot movement/effort I really need to add to get to full distance and how much of my pivot might be non productive. Or counter productive even? Not saying you dont need to pivot of course , its a basic, basic.

Wasnt it Yoda who said something like "the pivot motion is not as big as most people think" ? Got to double check on that one. This is another thing on my mind these days, simplification. The stripping away of excess motion. Multi tasking components. I still like a move into my right side though, not over it , just into it, if you know what I mean. But at impact you gotta be on the left side...for sure.

KevCarter 03-26-2011 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 83387)
Hey Kev

I tried for a while to swing with just my left arm attached to train the flail but Im thinking the stork drill is the way to go now. With just the left arm attached it got very un string like..... anything but passive. It started doing a lot of lifting on the backswing too, heavy lifting it being on the other side of the body from the backswing lift. Bad habits all. I even tried taking a running start at the swing from follow through back to address to give the club some momentum so the left arm didnt have to lift but Im just doing the stork now. Its amazing how easy is to hit a pretty good shot, you're already nicely left etc.

Its doesnt go as far as normal but almost, interestingly. Makes me wonder just how much Pivot movement/effort I really need to add to get to full distance and how much of my pivot might be non productive. Or counter productive even? Not saying you dont need to pivot of course , its a basic, basic.

Wasnt it Yoda who said something like "the pivot motion is not as big as most people think" ? Got to double check on that one. This is another thing on my mind these days, simplification. The stripping away of excess motion. Multi tasking components. I still like a move into my right side though, not over it , just into it, if you know what I mean. But at impact you gotta be on the left side...for sure.

The thing I remember most about my day with YODA, is how educated hands take care of all the pivot you want. Take your hands to the proper alignments, and your body will help them get there without any help from your computer. Watch the swing of Lynn's I posted, you can see it if you know what to look for. Swinging or hitting, its all educated hands, and some right forearm magic. No wasted motion. You can also see that Lynn moves into his right foot on the backstroke, just as he teaches with the MacDonald drills, but there is always some pressure on the left as well. Great footwork. What a wonderful model.

Simplicity at its finest! :salut:

Kevin

O.B.Left 03-27-2011 12:09 AM

Yup just like grabbing a beer out of the fridge.........hands go straight to it, pivot , feet whatever anticipate , do whatever is needed. ,......Its all natural. In the natural order of things. Just meant to be. Man negotiating his environment. Hands to beer.

innercityteacher 03-28-2011 09:59 AM

Lmao!!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 83393)
Yup just like grabbing a beer out of the fridge.........hands go straight to it, pivot , feet whatever anticipate , do whatever is needed. ,......Its all natural. In the natural order of things. Just meant to be. Man negotiating his environment. Hands to beer.

Moments before your awesome posts OB, I happened upon the Mike austin stuff. More on that later. I can't type right now as I am standing on my left leg!:)

ICT

innercityteacher 03-28-2011 11:32 AM

One legged wonder
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 83384)
InnerCity

If I may offer a thought on this. You need to allow the Left Arm to Blast Off.

The above Preparation is done when you are at TOP. It is the visualization of the geometrically correct Sequenced Release of the Swinger. The Golfer's Flail swished down plane and pointed at the Straight Line Base Line. The Left Arm must blast off, accelerate away from the Pivot.

As an aside think of this Preparation as the goal or intention of the Downswing making it and the Downswing Waggle , the associated drill, the cure for "Downswing Blackout". While tremendous emphasis is placed upon the Roll of the #3 Accumulator in 12-3 and see also the connection between Horizontal Hinging and compression in the drawings of 2-C, I find it hard to feel this Roll unless I have first Uncocked #2. #2 is "velocity power" while Homer labelled #3 "transfer power". From my own experience Id recommend you practice your Downswing Waggles as per usual but try a Release Trigger a Left Wrist Throw and see if it brings the flail to life. You'll know you've awakened your flail when you feel its seductive easy power. It'll seem very "non steering like".

-From Top , having already slid your Hips target wards a few inches to get your weight on your left side . But with a Delayed Turn so your Hips are still in there turned condition.

-Having established a TSP angle at Top.

-Take your intact , fully loaded Power Package down the Inclined Plane with your Right Shoulder , with your PIvot from the Ground Up. Your Right Shoulder diving towards the plane line as actuated by the Hips which are motivated by the feet ......"Right , Left, Right , Left "

- So Right Shoulder goes down plane in Startdown, then as you approach Release add a little Left Wrist Throw. An on plane left wrist hammering or uncocking to initiate the Release of the #2 Angle On Plane (with the Right Palm still flat to the underside of the Plane).


I personally didnt feel much Rolling till I got the Uncocking happening in my Golfers Flail and you have to Roll to see Homers Flail do its magic. Like a three stage rocket , if you can't find/feel stage 3 , take a look at stage 1 and 2 first.

Another drill to enhance the feel of the left arm Flail (which I also learned from a Yoda demonstration) was to zero out the Pivot by adopting what other teachers have referred to as the "stork drill". Where you stand on your left leg primarily with your right leg just acting as a brace , way back behind the line which makes one swing with just the arms. You cant make contact very easily without letting your left arm blast off somewhat and you cant compress it very well without Rolling a nice little Horizontal Hinge. As you do this drill from Top think Delivery Line Uncocking Prep, Delivery Line Roll Prep, Sequenced Release. Add the Left Wrist Throw for the uncocking and you will see your Golfer Flail appear. A left arm Blast off, with an on plane uncocking and an on line rolling, Sequenced Release. More inside out for balls played back of low point.

The Swingers cure for Downswing Blackout and a method of heightening or isolating the Feels associated with the Startdown , Downswing and Release mechanics. Its all about the isolation of the components and learning to replicate them individually by feel during training, drills, learning. In the end you'll feel a whole but freewheeling golfers flail that operates on auto pilot. Homer said you could almost fall asleep mid swing and it would still keep flailing. Got to find it before you can set it free.

P.S. This throw was a Mike Austin favourite. Think he called it his "power throw" or something maybe. Anyways Homer thought that upon mastery of this Non Auto Left Wrist Throw you could graduate to an Automatic Throw and in combination with the Aiming Point Procedure achieve Automatic Snap Release.... Im still waiting for that day to arrive. Might need a lesson on that one to make it happen. Always been a Random Sweeper.

I read about this drill OB from Shawn Clement several years ago, who I think of as a pretty interesting guy. I don't know if he is a TGM guy but I would suspect he has gone to sleep with the book several nights in a row. :laughing9

That one-legged drill helped me win a scramble one year as the "D" or weakest player. I just stood on one leg and smacked the ball down the middle. I was popular with my group for several weeks. I didn't know how it worked of course, but treated it like taking the correct pill and discovering the Matrix.

Do you actually try throwing your wrist ("It's a real throw!!!" Lynn says that to Jeff on the Address tapes)?

Thanks for explaining the why of it. Thanks, too, Dodger, Kevin and Jerry for the exclamations. Thanks HP, MOm and Dad, the Academy and Daryl..... :laughing9

It's hard typing on my left leg! :golfcart:

ICT

innercityteacher 03-28-2011 02:47 PM

what to flail and when
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 83419)
I read about this drill OB from Shawn Clement several years ago, who I think of as a pretty interesting guy. I don't know if he is a TGM guy but I would suspect he has gone to sleep with the book several nights in a row. :laughing9

That one-legged drill helped me win a scramble one year as the "D" or weakest player. I just stood on one leg and smacked the ball down the middle. I was popular with my group for several weeks. I didn't know how it worked of course, but treated it like taking the correct pill and discovering the Matrix.

Do you actually try throwing your wrist ("It's a real throw!!!" Lynn says that to Jeff on the Address tapes)?

Thanks for explaining the why of it. Thanks, too, Dodger, Kevin and Jerry for the exclamations. Thanks HP, MOm and Dad, the Academy and Daryl..... :laughing9

It's hard typing on my left leg! :golfcart:

ICT

Quote:


Originally posted by Yoda

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...lail#post40657

Rich and I planned this session literally months in advance, and I know both of us really pointed toward this great day. He had a 3:15 a.m. wake-up call to catch his red-eye from New York, and he showed up in Atlanta ready-to-rumble in his "Yoda-Green" Masters hat. After exchanging the Hitter's Handshake -- Right Forearms stump-to-stump and pistoning -- we started with Yoda's traditional Cracker Barrel breakfast: Eggs, bacon and hash browns, pancakes and the Geometry of the Circle!

We began our on-site instruction with a technical demo of the infamous Hinge Action Concept. Quoting Rocky Balboa (to Clubber Lang): "Not so bad!" And then...The Power Package! Flying Wedge alignments, Extensor Action (stretch against #1!) and The Golfer's Flail. Still not a ball struck. To horse!

Rich had worked hard on his Pivot Motion. Too hard! His quickly spinning Backstroke Right Hip and Shoulder Turn pulled his Hands abruptly to the inside (and Under Plane). From there, his only recourse was an Over-The-Top Right Shoulder Spin-Out, a 'high' Right Forearm into Impact and the dreaded Chicken-Wing Follow-Through. The predictable results? Fore Left...or Right!

The Good News was that Rich had learned his Forum Lessons well. His Balance was excellent and he had great control of his Left Wrist. He drove his Right Arm hard and was able to really stress the Clubshaft. Our challenge was to direct that Motion correctly Down Plane -- with the Right Forearm driving Downward, Outward and Forward toward the Plane Line -- instead of the Flat Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn (10-13-B) coming 'Out and Over' and the Forearm covering the Line in the Downstroke.

Our Cure was to quieten his Lower Body's overzealous activity in the Backstroke and to train his Hip Slide to pull the Right Shoulder (and the Power Package) down On Plane in the Downstroke. Rich got this job done by learning the Start Down Waggle (3-F-5) and making it an integral part of his Pre-Shot Routine. As he ingrained this Motion, his Flat Downstroke Shoulder Turn began to disappear.

Still, something was missing, and that 'something' was the Finish Swivel (2-G, 12-3-12-#41 and 12-5-3-#3). This proved to be the missing link that allowed his Stroke to flow uninterrupted from his Top (Station Two) to his Finish (Station Three). When Rich integrated this move, it was 'Good-bye' Chicken Wing and 'Hello' Compression!

Sadly, all good things come to an end, and this day was no exception. With darkness falling and his 8:11 p.m. flight beckoning, we bid one another a fond farewell. This really is the toughest part for me...watching my students fly into the night...knowing that many weeks will likely pass before we meet again.

That's why I love this place...

See you in The Clubhouse Lounge, Rich!
__________________

Ok, there's a start to the beginning of the flail.

ICT

innercityteacher 03-28-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EDZ

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...Flail#post2068

EdZ
Senior Member

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 1,626
Rotation Point and the Karate Chop - the startup swivel
many of you are familiar with the 'EdZ Drills'

They are very powerful in demonstrating the concepts of TGM.

As a variation on the theme of 'rotation point' (swinger) and 'mirror point' (hitter) I thought it would be helpful to share a drill that should help many 'get' the swinger's startup swivel and the 'karate chop' of the left hand. It is also helpful in feeling the right forearm, and max delay (accumulator overlap)


Stand in golf posture without a club and hold your hands together, palms facing each other (clap/prayer position).

The 'rotation point' in this position is the tip of the two middle fingers. ALLOW rotation around that point as you let your hands swing gently back and through.

Now do the same, but grab the middle three fingers of your left (lead) hand with your right (trail) hand. The pinky/thumb of your left hand will be on either side of the grip you have on those three fingers.

As you swing this back and through, you will notice both the 'rotation point' feel of a swinger and the 'palm down to plane' feel that goes with it, especially the right palm to plane (supporting the 'underside' of the plane)

You will also notice the 'karate chop' of the left hand pinky and the SWINGER'S feel of 'getting behind the ball' with the lead shoulder. Of hitting the ball with the back of the lead shoulder.

Very helpful for learning FULL ROLL as well as the swinger's flywheel 'throw out'
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"Support the On Plane Swinging Force in Balance"

"we have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only teachers"

Simplicity buffs, see 5-0, 1-L, 2-0 A and B 10-2-B, 4-D, 6B-1D, 6-B-3-0-1, 6-C-1, 6-E-2

Lots to do, here.

ICT

innercityteacher 03-28-2011 03:01 PM

And some other worthy observations by EDZ

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ighlight=Flail # 11

Quote:

Setting up for compression

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Impact Fix
Sustain the Line of Compression
Balance


Many people setup such that they can not make a proper swing, and hit a good shot. They begin from an out of position, unbalanced 'pose' - with incorrect alignments.

A little drill to help you learn hands leading, downward compression on a chip shot:

stand with your feet 'together' (feet touching at heels and ball of the feet)

grip a club in your left hand, setting the blade at 90 degrees to your target line, and aligned with the outside edge of your trail foot

while holding that alignment, ensure your left arm and club for a straight line and your left hand visually looks at the 'center' of your feet as you look down

this may appear 'hooded' to some (but not in your grip, let your hands hang), ensure those alignments as you let your right hand 'meet' your left, no disruption of those alignments of the left arm, I use interlock.

imagine the right (trail) forearm is on line with the shaft from wrist to elbow and the angle of your right wrist is 'set'

'see' the circle your hands, PP#1, travels on and extend your lead arm gently with your trail hand to meet that circle

'swing' the club, your hands, back and through above the ground, smooth and heavy and slow

change 'center' until the club hits the ground before the full extension, send your hands to a point well ahead of the ball, on the ground

put a ball just before that point on the ground where you take a divot

drive that ball into the ground

stay balanced, close your eyes

feel your hands and feet

This is acquired motion. Do it until you 'hear' the stone and turf sing to you like a shot being fired.

If you were to stand with your right foot along a line on the floor perpendicular to your targetline, the leading edge of the clubface would be 'on' and matching that line.

To clarify, by outside edge of the right foot, think the 'ball' of the right foot (if you had the entire outside edge of your foot on that line your foot would be turned too 'closed').

Basically a drill to ensure that setup has 'built in' forward lean of the shaft when taking your grip.
__________________
"Support the On Plane Swinging Force in Balance"

"we have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only teachers"

Simplicity buffs, see 5-0, 1-L, 2-0 A and B 10-2-B, 4-D, 6B-1D, 6-B-3-0-1, 6-C-1, 6-E-2
I have a lot to un-practice!

ICT


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