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innercityteacher 01-30-2011 07:20 PM
So I'm guessing better!



Quote:
Originally posted by Bagger


Horizontal hinging is the natural full roll hinge action for a swinger. To let it happen, it requires a mandatory flat left wrist into and through impact all the way into follow through (both arms straight).

In the backswing, you will turn the left hand palm to the plane, and on the downswing you will feel a left hand karate chop motion back down the plane. You will feel your left wrist uncock at your release point (when the clubhead and butt of the club switch ends), and without any effort on your part, then next thing you will feel is the the sweet spot of the clubface and the right hand paddlewheel motion rolling your left hand into impact.

Clubs are designed to roll around the sweetspot. This is sensed through the #3 pressure point and the right hand is simply executing it's paddlewheel motion as the right arm straightens. Let me emphasize here, the right hand is passive. This is all just a consequence of the right arm straightening as the club nears impact. Let it continue it's roll into the finish swivel. If you have kept your left wrist flat through all of this, you will find your left hand palm facing up as the left arm collapses into the finish.

All of this requires that there is never any thrusting or pushing of the right arm, only right arm extensor action on the left arm. The wrists stay relatively loose. Otherwise you end up fighting an angled hinge and then you will have to force the roll. The role of the right wrist is to remain bent, level, and passive. The role of the #3 pressure point on your right index finger is to aim the sweet spot at the inside quadrant of ball and sense acceleration.

One more thing while I'm on the subject. The left hand is the clubface. Monitor it's position throughout the swing.

Hope that helps, if you are still having difficulty letting it go, let us know. I'll bring in the big guns...

Bagger
Bagger, thanks. I think you are a 'big gun." (I don't need a date for Friday night, don't worry, I just mean that I think you are good at this stuff!)

Thanks!


ICT

innercityteacher 02-01-2011 11:00 PM
Components which work best with a firm, flat wrist.

I was messing with my curtain rods the other day and I remembered Ben Hogan's rotation of the left forearm. At least that's how we interpreted part of the the book "Five Lessons."

We used to roll our left forearm tight as we swung locking our right arm down at our side. The position looked a lot like RFT. It also looked strangely like the Jim Hardy "One Plane" backswing. HMMMMMMMM....

I noticed in this position, with my left arm tight against my side and chest, that my Pivot was especially powerful. "But," I said to myself, "I never have my left arm tight against my left side and chest!" "Wait a minute. Isn't that PP # 2?" "Don't I have one of the slowest club heads in the world? HMMMMMMM" "Maybe if I use the # 2 PP, I can be more connected like those other golfers."

Maybe with a little more # 2 PP, I can swing more like Hogan? A little more like Duval? Moe Norman? Lynn Blake? I know I'll always swing like me, but a little more power and club head speed would be way cool!

One other thing, the left forearm rotation almost guarantees a sizable LAG AND WEDGES LEFT BEHIND FULL OF WEIGHT AND MOMENTUM. THE LAG on the # 3 PP is so clear, the sweet spot so distinct, that it feels like I can will that LAG through that ball at top speed, like the whole club head plane is greased for speed as it comes down.

We'll see!

ICT

tim chapman 02-02-2011 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82076)
Components which work best with a firm, flat wrist.

I was messing with my curtain rods the other day and I remembered Ben Hogan's rotation of the left forearm. At least that's how we interpreted part of the the book "Five Lessons."

We used to roll our left forearm tight as we swung locking our right arm down at our side. The position looked a lot like RFT. It also looked strangely like the Jim Hardy "One Plane" backswing. HMMMMMMMM....

I noticed in this position, with my left arm tight against my side and chest, that my Pivot was especially powerful. "But," I said to myself, "I never have my left arm tight against my left side and chest!" "Wait a minute. Isn't that PP # 2?" "Don't I have one of the slowest club heads in the world? HMMMMMMM" "Maybe if I use the # 2 PP, I can be more connected like those other golfers."

Maybe with a little more # 2 PP, I can swing more like Hogan? A little more like Duval? Moe Norman? Lynn Blake? I know I'll always swing like me, but a little more power and club head speed would be way cool!

One other thing, the left forearm rotation almost guarantees a sizable LAG AND WEDGES LEFT BEHIND FULL OF WEIGHT AND MOMENTUM. THE LAG on the # 3 PP is so clear, the sweet spot so distinct, that it feels like I can will that LAG through that ball at top speed, like the whole club head plane is greased for speed as it comes down.

We'll see!

ICT
not long till you go to Georgia - you'll be smashing it out of the park when you get back

i'm working on getting that old pivot moving too - trying to get it to stay in front of the hands

Bagger Lance 02-02-2011 08:35 AM
Rock and Roll
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82006)
So I'm guessing better!





Bagger, thanks. I think you are a 'big gun." (I don't need a date for Friday night, don't worry, I just mean that I think you are good at this stuff!)

Thanks!


ICT
Thanks ICT, I'm flattered.
I wrote those posts so long ago, iphones weren't invented yet. You've been doing some digging.

If you feel like you are "blocking" the ball around the course, maybe you just need a little "turn and roll", instead of "block and roll".

innercityteacher 02-02-2011 01:22 PM
Plane old G.O.L.F.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 82081)
Thanks ICT, I'm flattered.
I wrote those posts so long ago, iphones weren't invented yet. You've been doing some digging.

If you feel like you are "blocking" the ball around the course, maybe you just need a little "turn and roll", instead of "block and roll".
Am I correct in thinking that a club that is on Plane, moves more smoothly and feels quicker and better balanced?

I'd ask if I was crazy in thinking that, but OB and Daryl, and maybe others would not be able to resist beating me with such an effective stick! :laughing9

ICT

innercityteacher 02-08-2011 08:41 PM
Not too chicken wing to try turning to rolling for better shots
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82084)
Am I correct in thinking that a club that is on Plane, moves more smoothly and feels quicker and better balanced?

I'd ask if I was crazy in thinking that, but OB and Daryl, and maybe others would not be able to resist beating me with such an effective stick! :laughing9

ICT
I play with differing swing thoughts from time to time as I'm sure many golfers do. In the past, pre LBG, my best Swings have come from trying Jim Hardy's description of a one plane swing. I'm not defending any of Mr. Hardy's definitions. I'm just wondering if some of the components of his Swing can help a novice serious golfer be more consistent and effective. Before LBG, I did not notice the left elbow pull as part of Mr. Hardy's description. Because of my research into the Finish Swivel, I realize my left elbow has to bend to Swing down and the left palm has to wind up facing Jesus at some point. We might say that the Finish Swivel is proof of the existence of God, as the left palm looks up in a good shot. ("Every good and perfect gift is from God.")

I've noticed that when I try the components of Mr. Hardy's Swing, I can feel my left elbow touching my left side and my forearm rolling with the left palm swiveling up in a very close mirror image of my RFT. I do not "lawnmower pull" since studying at LBG but use EA to RFT up. The thought occurred to me that I should feel such a Swivel regularly. Maybe, I chicken wing a lot, all the time since I am so concerned to keep my wedges intact that I hardly ever feel my forearms cross.

When I try my version of the Hardy Swing, I let the RFT turn me and the left elbow bend turn me back. The club winds up on my left hip as the turn stands me up straight. The Plane of the swing feels very flat so ball position is important.

When the other fine golfers G.O.L.F., what does the left or front elbow feel like as the club face overtakes the arms? Is there a feeling that the left elbow is stuck to the left side as the Finish Swivel, finishes? is that the same feeling that good golfers feel when they "twirl the baton" as Jeff and Lynn spoke about in their very good "Address" videos?

ICT

innercityteacher 02-08-2011 09:34 PM
Some opinions of JH's components
Quote:
Originally posted by Lagster

Plane
A PLANE is a flat surface.

Mr. Hardy is talking about the forward tilt of the SHOULDERS, AND THE ANGLE THEY TURN ON IN RELATION TO THE ARMS. One Plane-- Shoulders and Arms move on a similar angle(plane). Two Plane-- SHOULDERS TURN FLATTER, ARMS MOVE MORE VERTICALLY.

A person could be a Hardy One Planer, and still have a TGM definition Plane Shift.

A golf student, especially teachers, could get some beneficial ideas from Mr. Hardy's ideas. To many TGMers, who are trained to have a very precise idea of the PHYSICS, and GEOMETRY in a golf stroke... the Hardy book may seem to have several holes in it. However, his ideas, have become very popular in some areas, so TGMers should probably know something about them. One of his players, Tom Pernice, has been playing very well as of late, as well as Olin Brown.

Hardy One Planer in TGMese... Rotated Shoulder Turn, Delayed Hip Turn, Minimal Axis Tilt, Right Arm in Punch Impact.

A good TGM instructor could probably figure out nearly any golf stroke, including One Planers.

Ted, by the way, is a GOOD TGM INSTRUCTOR.
I get the Rotated Shoulder and Delayed Hip turn. I wonder what the pulling of the front arm up the front side is called in TGM terms and why does it feel so effective to me?

ICT

innercityteacher 02-08-2011 10:09 PM
Plane Hands and Hard Work
Quote:
Originally posted by EdZ

And from another perspective, the plane that is quite helpful to visualize - the HANDS - the path the hands (the pressure points) travel during the motion.

THIS is why Furyk is at the top of the accuracy stats.

Watch the path of his HANDS

"my hands are never out of bounds" - Moe Norman

Only the HANDS can travel on 'one plane' back and through.

The problem is one of perspective, of how folks usually look at plane - as being tied to the shaft.

At address, imagine a line running straight down the undersides of the arms, to the ground.

Your hands, the 'tip of the triangle', can stay on "that" plane back and through.

Perspective is very often the root issue when people disagree about plane, or plane shifts. There is only one 'sum' plane of force, of motion, in an efficient swing, and that plane is most easily seen by looking to the hands.

Yet another reason the "mind is in the hands" - Ben Doyle
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When I use that more severe shoulder tilt with level wrists, I can see the Sweet spot of the Plane. When I RFT to Pivot and then pull my left elbow to Pivot I feel like there is no shift in my hands and I feel powerful and on Plane and I don't worry about my hip or leg shortage. It seems like a simple and effective Swing, now. I think LBG is helping me understand what the heck is good and "True North" or "Sweet" as in "Sweetspot!"

With April and Cuscowilla fast approaching, the reader might wonder why I'm sweating all these details. Let me answer like this. When you go to a job interview, you need a new job at some level. But you put your most confident persona forward so the company wants to hire you. I want to be a golfer worthy of the good insights of a very good golf teacher, Lynn Blake.

ICT

innercityteacher 02-12-2011 11:54 AM
Even a caveman with an artificial hip...

Quote:
Originally performed by Yoda posted by Yoda (with tech help from lots of fine people) simply explained by Yoda having been taught by Homer Kelly with great depth of understanding.



Top

Use the Right Forearm Takeaway to take the hand to a Top position (Right Shoulder High or beyond). Use only as much Pivot as required: Let your Hands control and imitate what you see! Your palm should be face up to the Plane. Keep that sleeve s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d. Let go of the tension -- relax the sleeve -- and notice how "flimsy" your Power Package just became!


Impact

Use your Pivot to deliver your Bent Right Arm deep into Release and Impact. Do NOT simply unbend your right arm from the Top. This is Throwaway!


Follow-Through

The Pivot has done its work. Now, stay Centered and now continue the Delivery with Independent Arm Motion until the Right Arm is completely straight. Remember to drive toward the Baseline of the Plane (and not toward the Target!). This momentum -- once spent -- will pull the Body into its compliant position at the Finish.
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7962.html #1


This is my last pattern change until April!

Daryl 02-13-2011 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82308)
.....

This is my last pattern change until April!
Who are you talking about? :laughing9

innercityteacher 02-13-2011 04:05 PM
Hearing and Feeling the Pincher of Success
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82317)
Who are you talking about? :laughing9
Hey Daryl, my Barrington brother from another mother, I kept doing the same thing over again in the same way and decided I was insane. :oops:

It was a combination low self-esteem, eleven hip operations and seeing the HP and Feeling Serenity, Love, and the Fluid Power of Sub-atomic Transfiguration. :read: :idea1:

I was watching Lynn hit drives and listening to his check list. He said "pincher action."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfOw_7jCTA

It's not in the book. But it is here in our forum search engine at LBG. In our LBG forums we have you, O.B. Left, drewitgolf, Guitar Man and Yoda.

It reveals connections to Hitting procedures that can be taught but not observed.

Quote:
Originally posted by drewitgolf

Rob,

Extensor Action is employed from Impact Fix (or as late as Start Up) to the end of Follow Through. After that it is no longer in use (Finish). During the sections that Extensor Action is working its magic, the left arm is above the Plane (unless #3 is zero'ed out), necessitating the direction of the stretch to be below the Plane. But it does cross the Plane at the point of pressure directing the stretch. As you approach Top, the direction of the stretch is closer to the Plane Angle, but still below it.
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But that is just a start of the AHAAA!

Quote:
Originally posted by O.B.Left


Im still struggling with this. I get the stretch being below plane when EA is in the direction of the left arm. But why is the stretch in that direction? Or why is the stretch not on plane (in the direction of the right arm)? Would that the change the axis of rotation to the right shoulder or something?

Thanks. I love my EA but there are still some eggs in the incubator. What else is new ?

How does a Hitter apply EA? In what way and in what strength is EA applied? :confused:


Quote:
Originally posted by drewitgolf

Rhythm (roll of the #3 Accumulator) is controlled by the Right Elbow, bending and straightening. So how do we control this Right Elbow that wants to be all over the place? Hope you guessed...by the left arm and the Extensor Action that turns the Left Arm into a leasch. When you control the Right Elbow you control the rate of Clubhead Closing or RPM's (6-B-1-D-3).

Extensor Action was left out of 12-3-0, Section 3, Adjusted Address because to employ to a significant degree will pull you out of a Bent Left Wrist/ Flat Right Wrist Alignment and put you into and Impact Alignment, Flat Left Wrist/Bent Right.

By definition (6-A-4), both arms are not straight until Follow Through (8-11). Assuming your Follow Through isn't your Finish, the Left Arm will now bend and Swivel to the Plane (4-D-0), which means the Left Arm is no longer straight and Extensor Action is no longer employed.

Rob (BBax) is using the 7th edition.
Too much EA will pull the FLW into Impact Fix and I believe that position mandates a different type of technique. Impact Fix fixes a Stationary head which remains Stationary while the hands go back to Standard or Adjusted Address. Too much EA in the wrong direction (not under plane) just whacks out proper alignments and allows the right arm to come off Plane!

Quote:
Originally posted by O.B. Left


PS That right elbow is getting even more important in my perception of things. The right elbow controlling the roll of #3 power accumulator and the right elbow being held in position by extensor action. Fantastic. No more swiveling through impact with a behaving itself right elbow. The right elbow also cocks the left wrist. Didnt Homer say if he had to do over again he'd build his swing around the right elbow? Or something to that effect.
Now, I haven't finished learning, especially about Swivels, but a Stationary Head, Adjusted Address, Horizontal Hinge, a shorter right elbow bend maybe just to Acquired Motion will all contribute to an effective Hitting motion and becoming a regular sub-par shooter.

Quote:
Originally posted by Guitar Man

Right elbow motion and alignments throughout the swing are very, very, very important. Building a golf swing around the right elbow would produce precision and power in the golf swing. Weekend golfers have the right elbow moving incorrectly and out of alignment for most of the swing and try all the golf tips and nonsense to fix the faults when fixing right elbow motion and alignments would do the job.

To Better Golf,
John W Rohan-Weaver GSEM
I had not read the above post when I started this short missive. But I am grateful for it! :salut: I don't know the man but I'm thinking he's a bright, well-informed golfer like so many here, besides me.


I know that Swivels are part of Swinging so it's ok. I know that regular sub-par shooting would make me a pro-level player. Fine. All of us know that the world is full of people that could play you out of your house on a golf course that are not pros. I know that I have to get my right elbow aligned correctly with correct speed, and my EA has to be right in my address for real success

ICT

Daryl 02-13-2011 04:26 PM
Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)

innercityteacher 02-13-2011 06:04 PM
Improvements of a pattern
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82320)
Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)
Is an improvement of a Pattern a Pattern change?

I'm afraid Swinging just throws me more off balance. With Hitting, once I set my right elbow correctly, I just step into the axe swing, and while that may be a Swit, it is very simple!

ICT

innercityteacher 02-14-2011 01:44 PM
Can a buy you a good stiff ....axe handle?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82320)
Yes, I agree with all of that.

I wager $1.00 that you make a Pattern Change before April. :)
I found this little gem in the basement of our forum. We used to have the best basement parties in hs but I digress...Are we still settled that the best shaft for a hitter is stiff?

Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


This will no doubt be a controversial post and perhaps even the epicenter of a titanic debate. Nevertheless, it is what it is: Homer Kelley's answer to the question, "What Shaft Flex is best for me?"

Like Henry Ford -- "You can have any color you want...as long as it's black." -- Homer Kelley had one answer to the Shaft Flex question. Here it is in a Q&A format based on our actual January 1982 conversation.

Yoda: Homer, there are many Shaft Flexes available today. Flexible Shafts are recommended for average players, and Stiff Shafts are recommended for the better players. What is your view?

Homer: "Stiff. The stiffer the better."

For all players?

"Yes."

Hitter or Swinger?

"Yes."

Male or female?

Yes.

Strong or weak?

"Makes no difference."

Why?

"Hitters use muscular thrust and need the Stiff Shaft because they are actively pushing against it. That aspect isn't important to Swingers because for them, the Shaft is functioning simply as a piece of string, and Flex is unimportant. Centrifugal Force is straightening the Shaft. However, the stiffer the shaft, the less likely the Clubface is to misalign, and that is important to both Hitters and Swingers."

What about Steel versus Graphite?

"The material makes no difference. You need quality materials, of course...sturdy stuff. Beyond that, I can find no basis for the claims of the manufacturers."

What about players who 'tip' the Shaft, cutting off an inch or two at the bottom to make it even stiffer?

"Sounds like a good idea."

So, Homer, when you say Stiff Shafts for all players, you really mean it.

"If they would make them all axe handles, that would be the best thing."
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=Axe-handle # 1

This might explain why I Hit the Titleist Z-Backs, that Kevin sold me so far and hardly get any action off my senior flexed driver (well 220, at most).

Any suggestions for a reliable, affordable, stiff flex shaft?

ICT

KevCarter 02-14-2011 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82337)
I found this little gem in the basement of our forum. We used to have the best basement parties in hs but I digress...Are we still settled that the best shaft for a hitter is stiff?



http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=Axe-handle # 1

This might explain why I Hit the Titleist Z-Backs, that Kevin sold me so far and hardly get any action off my senior flexed driver (well 220, at most).

ICT
You're too strong for that Senior Shaft Patrick! :naughty:

Kevin

innercityteacher 02-14-2011 03:04 PM
Hitting for power and effect

Remember the Horizontal Hinge!

Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda

The Golf Stroke is always a Left Arm Stroke as long as the Left Shoulder serves as the Center of the Clubhead Arc. In that sense, both Hitters and Swingers must 'Pull' from the Top (8-6) of the Stroke. However, the Swinger's long Backstroke typically goes to the End (10-21-C), and then he Pulls the Club down like it was a piece of string trailing behind him. Then, having cranked up the Gyroscope of the orbiting Clubhead, he 'hangs on' as Centrifugal Force Powers the Club through Impact. The Hitter's Backstroke, on the other hand, typically ends at the Top (10-21-A) when his Right Elbow has become completely Bent. Then, after the initial Downstroke Shoulder Acceleration (8-7), he accelerates the Club by Pushing against the Clubshaft as if it was an Axe Handle.

At the Top then, the Hitter resists the Inertia of the moving Club (which wants to continue On Plane Up, Back and In). This resistance to the Clubhead Inertia causes the Lag Pressure to Load against the No. 3 Pressure Point and is called Drive Loading (10-19-A). Once the Right Shoulder has provided the initial Downstroke Acceleration (2-M-4), the Hitter begins his Right Arm Pushing, Driving Motion through Impact. The Swinger, on the other hand, with his longer End Backstroke, allows the Club to come to rest against the first knuckle of the Right Hand. He then Loads the Lag Pressure against that Point by Pulling the Club down lengthwise -- Drag Loading (10-19-C).

At the Top then, the Hitter has not changed in the slightest his Impact Fix alignments, i.e., Left Wrist Flat and Right Wrist Bent. Therefore, the Clubshaft has maintained its position against the No. 3 Pressure Point, and the Shaft is still pointing skyward. The Swinger, on the other hand, Turns (4-C-2) his Left Hand against the Plane in the Backstroke (Standard Left Wrist Action of 10-18-A). He typically goes to parallel (and perhaps beyond), and this has caused the Clubshaft to Load down against the first knuckle of the Right Hand. This Action gives the Swinger the Feel of having Rotated the Left Wrist and Lag Pressure Point one-quarter Turn in the Backstroke.

The Hitter, on the other hand, feels no such Rotation. Instead, he senses Homer's "Hitter's Guiding Principle:"

"At the Top, you should feel that absolutely nothing has changed in your Impact Fix Wrist alignments and that you are in perfect postion to Slap the Ball with the palm of your Right Hand."

The Swinger, having Rotated his Left Wrist in the Backstroke, then maintains that position through the Start Down, Downstroke and Release. This is the Swinger's 'Left Hand Karate Chop' to the Ball. The Action of this Left Hand 'Palm Down' to the Plane' surface actually overrides the 'natural action' of the Hitter's constant On Plane Rolling from the Top (caused by the Turning of the Body and the Swinging of the Arms and Hands). The Swinger's Rotation must ultimately be reversed -- this is the function of the Swivel -- in order to restore the Impact Fix alignments.

The Hitter needs no such Swivel because his Left Hand has been Closing from the time it left the Top in Start Down. From Release, he simply Drives his Right Arm through Impact in a Straight Line Motion.

If you are thinking that there is a lot more going on with Swinging than with Hitting, you are right. If you are thinking that Hitting, once mastered, can be the superior alternative, you may be right there, too. It's all about personal preference. I, for one, feel more far more in control and am decidedly more accurate Hitting. The reason is that you are never out of your Impact Fix Alignments. And as for Homer:

"You'll all become Hitting Nuts."

I'm still needing the perfect picture looking over the top of my right shoulder and down to see the visual cues to know my right elbow has bent perfectly and then I can plant and Drive that axe into the tree!

I need a lot of things, but I GET BY WITH THE HELP OF MY LBG FRIENDS!

ICT

innercityteacher 02-14-2011 03:12 PM
Teee-heee
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 82338)
You're too strong for that Senior Shaft Patrick! :naughty:

Kevin
Why, thanks, you sexy Beast! :)

Glad your elbow is feeling better!


ICT

innercityteacher 02-14-2011 03:37 PM
Everyone must learn from someone or a group of some ones.


Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda.


But "What do I Pull it with?" I asked Homer as we stood on the driving range that rainy late afternoon in January 1982.

"Pull it with anything you want!" he said. "I don't care! Just Pull it!"

Well, all rightee, then!!!

And so the Basic Basic you are trying to Feel in the Golf Stroke is a Pulling sensation. As long as you are Pulling and the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure retains its passive, inert Loading, then you will have contained Centrifugal Force, and your Feel will be one of a controlled, heavy, steady-as-she-goes, constant Loading, constant direction, deadweight inertia (7-19).

Phew. Alrightee, then. Fear Not. We can still pull and Hit.



Remember, though, I was Swinging at the time. I'm quite sure that, had I been Hitting, Homer would have emphasized the Drive Loading (10-19-A) I have described -- not the Drag Loading (10-19-C) -- and also the decidedly Active Right Arm Push (6-B-1-A) through Impact -- and not the Swinger's Gyroscopic Leftside Pull with its Passive Right Arm and Elbow.
Basic is the Lag generated by Pulling the Flying Wedges. That is felt by all educated hands and then the golfer comes to a decision. Do they relax and enjoy the CF or do they fire the Axe at the root of the tree?

Please remember that the goal is constant acceleration so the Hitter may start ever so slowly like Mr.Perry and then WHAM, while the Swinger is determined to "SPIN,SPIN, SPIN that flywheel" as I believe Yoda said.

The choice is ours! It's good to be the king! It's good to have choices!

ICT

innercityteacher 02-14-2011 04:41 PM
The Poetry of Hitting and Sometimes Mixing Swinging

Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


DG,

You are absolutely right about Arnie in his prime. Like almost everybody else, he had a mixed set of Hitting and Swinging Components. He set up as a Swinger (with the classic Bent Left Wrist instead of the Hitter's preferred Fix alignment) and he swung to the End (parallel and beyond) instead of stopping at the Top (of the Line Path). He used a Shoulder Turn Takeaway to take his Hitter's Single Wrist Action (Angled Hinge 10-18-C-2) to the Top. From there, though, he was all Drive. An out-and-out Four Barrel Hitter. In his early years, he even teed his Driver low and took turf! And he always had the 'Drive-Out' of the Right Arm Thrust carrying him 'above Plane' into that famous Palmer whirlybird Finish.

Homer told me that Palmer's Finish was the result of using the Cross-Line Angle of Approach procedure, not the 10-5-A Plane Line. I commented that Palmer's Backstroke was flatter than would be the case using Homer's Angle of Approach procedure with the 10-5-E Closed Plane Line. He said that was okay, "you'll just have a little sharper Cross-Line Motion" as a result. But, he also said that it could easily be overdone and that you're "skirting disaster" -- the big hook. Homer also liked the fact that Arnie hit 'Down' so agressively. And that he played the ball back and took such big divots with the short irons. Clearly, Arnie liked to Hit. And so did Homer!

I followed Arnie at my first Masters -- his 10th -- in 1964. I was 17, he was 34, and he won for the 4th and final time. Forty years later -- with me at 57 and he at 74 -- I returned to the Augusta National that special Friday of his final competitive round just to pay homage. The King's hair now was white, his body thicker, and his Stroke shorter, but no matter: The magic was still there. Not since Bobby Jones has a golfer so transcended his sport. The crowd loved Arnie, and he loved them. And on that glorious spring day, framed by the rolling green fairways and tall Georgia pines he had first seen fifty years before, Arnold Palmer bid his Army farewell. As we welcomed him home with our applause and our cheers and our smiles, I can tell you that there wasn't a dry eye in the house...

Including, I'm proud to say, my own.
Amazing! 1,000,000 ways to break an egg. All of them are elegant to a hungry person.

ICT
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innercityteacher 02-14-2011 05:39 PM
Who wants to be a Hitter and why?
Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


That was not Homer Kelley's conclusion. Enjoy the exact words of The Master:

"I think Hitting is going to become far, far more popular than Swinging
with the real blood-thirsty golfers, the money-hungry golfers. They're going
to go to Hitting because it is...they have total control; much better finesse;
more positive control of Power; and less total body involvement."

"It is far more difficult to learn, but far easier to execute
when you get it. Oh, it's so simple! Nothing ever happens! Nothing ever gets
out of line! You just take it up and come down! And you can slam it as hard
as you want to if you stayed with this Right Forearm alignment."

"And you'll find all of a sudden you don't have to Throw the
Club. Just come down any speed you want and it just comes right through. And
not having to 'Rotate the Plane Lines' [Ed: to curve the Ball.] -- gee,
that's a tremendous advantage. But, it is harder to learn, but lots
easier to execute once you've learned it. Much more individual. You feel like
you're controlling every little ingredient."


"I think it's great."
Or, In my case, I can use the control of Hitting to neutralize the negative effects of an artificial front hip and shorter front leg.

ICT

Yoda 02-14-2011 06:59 PM
Timeless Echoes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82351)
Who wants to be a Hitter and why?


Or, In my case, I can use the control of Hitting to neutralize the negative effects of an artificial front hip and shorter front leg.

ICT
Thanks for resurrecting this post, ICT. Its message is original, memorable, and timeless. It's heading to 'Yoda's Best' now.

Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


That was not Homer Kelley's conclusion. Enjoy the exact words of The Master:

"I think Hitting is going to become far, far more popular than Swinging
with the real blood-thirsty golfers, the money-hungry golfers. They're going
to go to Hitting because it is...they have total control; much better finesse;
more positive control of Power; and less total body involvement."

"It is far more difficult to learn, but far easier to execute
when you get it. Oh, it's so simple! Nothing ever happens! Nothing ever gets
out of line! You just take it up and come down! And you can slam it as hard
as you want to if you stayed with this Right Forearm alignment."

"And you'll find all of a sudden you don't have to Throw the
Club. Just come down any speed you want and it just comes right through. And
not having to 'Rotate the Plane Lines' [Ed: to curve the Ball.] -- gee,
that's a tremendous advantage. But, it is harder to learn, but lots
easier to execute once you've learned it. Much more individual. You feel like
you're controlling every little ingredient."


"I think it's great."
:salut:

KevCarter 02-15-2011 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82342)
Why, thanks, you sexy Beast! :)

Glad your elbow is feeling better!


ICT
Jerry and I are going to the dome to hit balls this morning. I'm going to be able to play again!!! Can't wait for your visit. We need to meet Daryl somehow, maybe half way like Madison??? Daryl?

Kevin

KevCarter 02-15-2011 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82351)
Who wants to be a Hitter and why?


Or, In my case, I can use the control of Hitting to neutralize the negative effects of an artificial front hip and shorter front leg.

ICT
AWESOME FIND!!! :salut:

Going directly to my swing keys and Magic of the Right Forearm.

Kevin

Daryl 02-15-2011 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 82382)
Jerry and I are going to the dome to hit balls this morning. I'm going to be able to play again!!! Can't wait for your visit. We need to meet Daryl somehow, maybe half way like Madison??? Daryl?

Kevin
I'm in. You and Jerry must help with my 5 minute TGM segment on the "Right Forearm Participation" video.

KevCarter 02-15-2011 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 82394)
I'm in. You and Jerry must help with my 5 minute TGM segment on the "Right Forearm Participation" video.
AWESOME Daryl, I can't wait. We'll work on the date with City! :hello: :salut:

Kevin

innercityteacher 02-16-2011 12:16 AM
Iowa, MN, Madison, Wisconsin Dells?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 82395)
AWESOME Daryl, I can't wait. We'll work on the date with City! :hello: :salut:

Kevin
Makes me sad my family sold the house in Grand Marsh, WI!

I 'm going to have to sign up for summer school just to get the principal to cover for me for 5 days not including the weekend!

ICT

innercityteacher 02-17-2011 12:55 AM
Straight Line Thrust and slight Lay Back feel of the Angle Hinge with Bent right elbow only, or "Full Roll" feel of the Horizontal Hinge with Start-up Swivel?

Dowel/curtain rod training allowed me to feel the real differences, tonight for first time ever! Thanks to Daryl and 12 Piece Buckett and Lynn, and O.B. Left, Kevin, JerryG, EDZ, Ted, Jeff, Golfguru from "Iseekgolf.com," excellent site, wonderful.

And the rods helped me relax enough to bend my left knee just like Lynn at Impact Fix guaranteeing left Hula, and Straight-Line Thrust after slight, slow shoulder tilt up Pivot. I simply have to choke up on my scubs given the shortness of my left/front leg.

Thanks, guys, a lot!

ICT

golfguru 02-17-2011 11:12 PM
Keep up the search. Progress often comes via the unexpected dawning of ideas often read and seen but not quite grasped. I always take my cap off to those who have the patience to keep at it and have those light bulb moments.

innercityteacher 02-20-2011 06:08 PM
Flat as a board and twice as easy to nail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfguru (Post 82458)
Keep up the search. Progress often comes via the unexpected dawning of ideas often read and seen but not quite grasped. I always take my cap off to those who have the patience to keep at it and have those light bulb moments.
Am I talking about many of my old flames? NO COMMENT! :eyes:

What I'm talking about are the two great swings I've made in the last 3 weeks indoors when the normal ICT pathetic 178 yard drive (with roll) has gone past 225 yards. :thumleft:

How did I do it? I DON'T REALLY KNOW! :crybaby:

What do I suspect? In both cases, I felt my firm left wrist smack the goop out of the ball while using a Hitting motion. I also hooked those balls into the simulated bodies of water miles off my line, which I never do, BECAUSE I USUALLY CANNOT HIT THE BALL OUT OF MY SHADOW. :crybaby: (My indoor hcp. is "9" since

So FLW = distance and hooks. Off to the search engine here at LBG!:study:

Quote:
Originally posted by Cookjam.

Cookjam wrote:

The snow has cleared and the ranges and courses are beginning to wake up.

I've been trying 12-5-1 Basic Motion for a while. I decided to take it to the range and hit balls with it.
I would take a short swing back and through the ball, about two feet on each end. All the while trying to feel pressure points #2 and 3, watching my hands, watching and feeling for a flat left wrist all with very little lower body motion.

After a while, I could hear a nice sharp crack and the ball would fly. I then seemed to want to add the follow through ( like 8-11). I was using my 9 iron and occasionally my 7 iron.

My questions: Am I doing it correctly? How long should I do it? And I'm assuming 12-5-2 Acquired Motion is next?
With my curtain rods, I am now being very strict feeling constant pressure in PP # s 1-4, espescially PP #'s 2 an 4 ( last 3 fingers of left hand and left armpit).

Before showing you another amazing post by Yoda, I thought I'd share one of the maney casual brilliant tidbits from a great "sister" website "Iseekgolf.com." Enjoy this confirmation of all that Yoda is expert in and teaches! This is an account of a golfer going from talented amateur to professional using TGM.



Quote:
BY ISEEKGOLF.COM | 11 OCT 2005

http://www.iseekgolf.com/news/4237-d...ssional-golfer


Upcoming talent is not hard to find in Australian golfing ranks but the tough journey these young men and women undertake is not often documented. Hours of dedication to a sport they love then becomes a real business decision as to which road to follow. David Williams has been a keen contributor to the forum on iseekgolf.com for some time, encouraging people to enjoy their games and he too found inspiration within the iseekgolf.com community that has enriched his own level of understanding of the game. So here is his story so far.

iseekgolf.com: At what age did you start playing?

David: I was given a set of golf clubs on my third birthday and never looked back. I began lessons at the age of five with Bill Britton and he drilled the fundamentals of the game into me for the next six years. He made the game fun to learn and that has stuck with me when I get a youngster to teach now.

iseekgolf.com: How long have you aspired to become a Golf Professional?

David: Basically from a very young age. I loved golf and was always on the course at any opportunity. After years of playing amateur golf to a fairly high level and trying to turn professional at Tour Qualifying School I was led to starting a traineeship at Keysborough Golf Club in Melbourne.

Apart from becoming a full PGA Member and being allowed to coach golf, the traineeship taught me a lot about playing under real pressure, that was playing golf at a high level while having to work, study and try and have a personal life all at the same time. I believe this gave me a little toughness out on the course I had previously lacked. I had to grind every round out regardless of how I was playing. I had a lot of success during my traineeship and having a great club to do my traineeship at definitely assisted. I went to the Australasian Tour Qualifying School at the end of 2004 with confidence. I managed to scrape though and get my Tour Card.

iseekgolf.com: What would be your advice to a teenager who is aspiring to become a golf professional?

David: I hate to admit it but I was a good player and tried to find the answers in the bottom of buckets of balls at the range. I practice far less now and I’m a much better ball striker, player and scorer. Get the right advice on your technique, physical and mental attributes as you will need all of them to succeed, not just one or two. I would also suggest considering a PGA Traineeship. Look past the 3 years of average pay and hard work. It is definitely worth all the hard work once you get through it. You have plenty of options once you’re through. A golfer who just goes to Tour School only has one option, play well.

iseekgolf.com: Since getting your Tour Card in December 2004 you haven’t been able to play much because of a shoulder injury. How has that impacted your life?

David: In a very twisted way it has been a blessing in disguise. I was on track to hit the Tour and perform quite well but I had been trying to manage a shoulder injury that began in October 2004. By February 2005, my shoulder had completely froze and I couldn’t lift my arm above my shoulder. Not being able to play golf at all is soul destroying. I had a great team behind me to help me through an uncertain time in my life. I wasn’t sure how long I would be out for and how I would survive financially. The time out of playing has also led me to expand my knowledge of the golf swing and develop my coaching.

iseekgolf.com: How have you survived financially?

David: The phrase “Behind every great man there is a greater woman” holds very true. My fiancée was extremely supportive during this time which helped give me the determination to succeed. My sponsors have also stood by me. Even though I couldn’t play golf they have stood by me and been very supportive and shown concern for my health.

iseekgolf.com: How did you come about a sponsor?

David: Being a trainee at a private club definitely helped. I was keen on assisting the members the best I could and with hundreds of potential sponsors at the club, I was lucky enough that one or two generous members stood up and wanted to be a part of my career. They are now good friends and we regularly catch up outside golf. It is just about being the best person you can be and trying to assist everyone around you. Eventually one or two will repay the favour. If you can show a potential sponsor what services you can offer to them and how much it would be worth to them it doesn’t have to be that hard to find a sponsor. To a business, just having a golf professional associated with their business to attend corporate functions etc is worth money. If the sponsor is a mad keen golfer a round every so often with his clients will help him generate business so that’s also worth money to you.

iseekgolf.com: You mentioned that you expanded your knowledge on the golf swing and developed your coaching whilst recovering from injury.

David: I never thought I knew it all about the golf swing but the last couple of months have shown me I knew a lot less than I thought I did. I visited Paul Smith (iseekgolf.com’s Golf School writer) in Western Australia and he introduced me to “The Golfing Machine”. I now have the knowledge on things that are supposed to happen in the swing regardless of each individual’s technique. I learned that to hit a golf ball we just need to use the equipment as it was designed and use the body’s build to determine how we swing which reduces the amount we have to manipulate the club during the swing just to make contact. I have since applied this to my swing and my coaching with great results in both areas.

iseekgolf.com: The Golfing Machine is often misconstrued as a swing method and misunderstood.

David: I went to Perth as a big sceptic but with an open mind. I discovered that TGM isn’t a specific method at all but an explanation of the geometry of a golf swing and the forces involved. I learnt a lot about what the body is trying to do to hit a golf ball. With this knowledge you can swing the club your own way but certain things must happen in any swing to hit a golf shot correctly then be able to repeat it. Look at the different swings on Tour. Some have classical swings, some have very orthodox swings but there are a couple of similarities between all swings. TGM explains these essential techniques and then all the different variations and how to apply them. So every golf swing on the planet is described in “TGM” and from that with the right golf coach who knows TGM every player can create a repeatable swing with practice. Where golfers struggle is when they have variations in their swing that don’t match up and don’t allow them to repeat a swing which creates a good shot.

iseekgolf.com: You spent four days with Paul in WA, what did you learn?

David: I learned that you don’t need to be a PGA Golf Professional to know the ins and outs of a golf swing. TGM teaches its students how the swing works all its variations and options importantly how to teach it well to others. Paul is just as knowledgeable, if not more knowledgeable, than most PGA coaches out there.

First we went through “Freddy”. This explains very simply the geometry of the golf swing and where the centre and low points of the swing are. Next I learnt how and why we need to consider club design and body design to set up and hit the ball.

Paul then showed me the dowel drills. The dowel drills helped explain forearm plane and swing plane. We moved onto racquet drills. The racquet drills help demonstrate the relationship between swing plane and the clubface and the lasers or flashlights drill assist in knowing exactly where the club is during your swing and where the shaft is in relation to the swing plane. All the drills combined with the use of a mirror give a very good visual reference as to how you are swinging. You learn very quickly how to keep the club on plane and the clubface square.

Then I learnt the two power sources for making a swing. Hitting and swinging. A swinger uses centrifugal forces when the body rotates to extend through impact. A hitter uses a thrusting right forearm to generate power in the swing then the body follows through impact to finish.

This incorporated the different pressure points in the swing. I found out from personal experience how important these pressure points are as if the wrong one is being used it can ruin a good golf swing and if the correct ones are used how beneficial they can be. Briefly I had been firing my right index finger down and through the ball, which is what I thought was releasing my wrists into the ball. This caused me to get very cramped into impact and my left elbow had to bend out of the way. After I learnt right wrist bent through impact starting out chipping and using the pressure point in the right hand palm to push against the shaft the improvement was instantaneous. My right wrist stayed bent and created extension through impact which kept my left arm straight.

I then learned about having a vertical, angled or horizontal hinge through impact. I was able to make the same length swing on three shots and achieve three different trajectories and distances. I was able to get very precise results after only five minutes of chipping. Made so much sense and simplified the short game to achieve different shots with precision. I always knew the feeling to hit a high soft shot or low running shot but once I learnt the hinge options it was very precise and very easy to replicate.

iseekgolf.com: Where to now?

David: Firstly my coaching has improved out of sight. My students are now improving as I can assess each swing and know how to help them use their technique to work with them and not against.

Next I am beginning to implement changes to my swing which will take time. I need to reprogram my computer to be able to repeat the new (correct) technique in my sleep. I am very excited to know my swing will now be simplified and repeatable. I am working hard on all aspects of my game and hope to be ready for the upcoming Australian Golf season.

iseekgolf.com: What are your plans for 2006/07?

David: I am now working hard on my technique and physical state with the hope of having a good season in Australia and possibly venturing overseas. I would look at Asia, Europe or The States as an option but a lot of things have to fall into place for this to happen. Firstly I need to be playing well enough to know I can compete at a very high level, my physical and mental levels are good enough to handle life on Tour and on the road and of course be able to afford to venture overseas to compete. I will need to consider each tour and weight up costs, time abroad and how I’m playing. To get onto most tours I will need to go through Tour Qualifying School in that country to obtain the right.

iseekgolf.com: Thank you David for a look into the life of a professional golfer, both in the clubhouse and behind the ropes.

Davids Williams – Amateur

Spring Valley Golf Club
Club Champion 1992, 1994, 1995, 1998, 2001
Junior Champion 1992, 1994
1st Murray Valley Open (Mildura) 2001
Pennant 1992 Division 1, 2000 Division 1 (Captain)
Won several Ivo Whitton Tournaments throughout Victoria
Davids Williams – Professional

2002

T2 Victorian Trainee Championships (Lost in playoff)
9th National Trainee Championships
2nd Victorian Trainee Order of Merit
9th Australian Trainee Order of Merit
Won 4 Trainee Pro-Am’s
2003

1st Victorian Trainee Championships
1st A&L Windows Country Series
14th NSW Trainee Championships
3rd National Trainee Championships
5th Australian Trainee Order of Merit
Won 5 Trainee Pro-Am’s
2004

1st Victorian Trainee Championships (Won in playoff)
2nd Rich River Classic
2nd NSW Trainee Championships
3rd WA Trainee Championships
T4th National Trainee Championships
1st Australian Trainee Order of Merit
Won 6 Trainee Pro-Am’s
Shot 60 (-10) Burnley Golf Club Trainee Pro-Am
2004 Victorian Trainee of the Year (Joint)
2004 Australian Golf Digest Trainee Player of the Year
2005

Australasian Tour Card Holder 2005
1st Safety Beach Pro-Am
3rd Curlewis Pro-Am
6th Keysborough Pro-Am
You can chat to David in the iseekgolf.com forum where he is will happy to answer any questions you may have on the life of a golf pro. His username is “Willow”.
Notice how important the FLW was to this person's success!

I then learned about having a vertical, angled or horizontal hinge through impact. I was able to make the same length swing on three shots and achieve three different trajectories and distances. I was able to get very precise results after only five minutes of chipping. Made so much sense and simplified the short game to achieve different shots with precision. I always knew the feeling to hit a high soft shot or low running shot but once I learnt the hinge options it was very precise and very easy to replicate.

Ok, so we must consult LBG to get a great understanding of how to do a FLW!


ICT

innercityteacher 02-20-2011 06:23 PM
As you might imagine, Yoda knows the FLW!

Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


The 'Two feet past the Ball' of Stage One of the Basic Motion Curriculum is theFollow-Through of Stroke Section 11. So, make sure you reach this point.If you can't, it's because you have not 'pre-positioned' your Right Shoulder(down On Plane) to allow a Follow-Through of this length. If not, then do so.

I also suggest 'Arms separate' practice. Focus on your Flat Left Wrist withthe Left Arm motion and the Bent Right Wrist with your Right Arm motion.Then, put them together, and as you go through the Ball, make sure there isabsolutely zero interruption in your Rhythmic Motion through Impact.Remember, you swing through the Ball, not at the Ball. The BasicDrill is without a Ball and with continuous 'back and through' and 'backand through' and 'back and through' motion. Periodically, stop at the end ofthe Stroke, and look, Look LOOK to verify that your Wrist Alignmentshave been maintained. Then, resume the 'back and through' continuous motion.This is the only Train out of Hackerville.

Finally, as you are learning, the 'sound' of Impact is diagnostic. A true'Three Dimensional' Impact will sound like hitting a stone -- especiallywith these Basic Motion Chips and even with Putts. The more 'mushy' the sound,the greater the Compression Leakage.

You're on the right track now. Stay with it.

___________
_______

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...lat+left+wrist #1

How, might I do this?

innercityteacher 02-20-2011 06:33 PM
The comfort of the Yellow Brick Road
Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...lat+left+wrist # 1

Yes, the Trevino Right Shoulder Motion through Impact is an extremelyimportant study. Per 7-13, the Right Shoulder must not only stay 'back,'but also down -- down On Plane. Otherwise, you will 'run out of Right Arm'through Impact. In other words, the Right Arm will act as a 'chain' on yourLeft and it simply cannot go through. And so no matter how much you know aboutthe Flat Left Wrist, it cannot be maintained under this circumstance, andso...it Bends! And the Shot -- and perhaps the match -- is lost.

The place to program this move is at Impact Fix (8-2 and 7-8 ). Bypre-positioning your Right Shoulder 'down On Plane,' say almost directlyopposite the Ball -- probably much lower than your presently feel -- youwill be able to extend through the Ball much further until you reach the BothArms Straight Position at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When youreturn to Adjusted Address from this position you will notice that you have a'lot of right arm' -- it is quite bent, even with applied extensor action --and that means that as your Right Shoulder turns through the Ball in this muchfarther way -- "chasing it" as Nick Price likes to say -- then theLeft Arm with its Flat Left Wrist can fly through Impact unimpeded by the'chain' of the Straightened Right Arm caused by the too high RightShoulder.

The reverse of this Impact Fix position would be when you prepare for a 6-inchputt. This Stroke -- as in All Strokes -- must be taken to the Both ArmsStraight Position at the end of the Follow-Through. What to do with such ashort Stroke? You pre-position your Follow-Through for the Both ArmsStraight Position almost immediately following Impact. Now your Right Shoulderwill be much higher than the pre-positioning described above. As a result,you'll have a nice firm 'no Quitting (3-F-7-B) Downstroke to the end of yourFollow-Through and your putt will rattle the hole.

By the way, for those who suffer from 'double hit' putts, this last advice isthe solution.

Stay with this idea, Hue. It is really, really key.

Yes, the Trevino Right Shoulder Motion through Impact is an extremelyimportant study. Per 7-13, the Right Shoulder must not only stay 'back,'but also down -- down On Plane. Otherwise, you will 'run out of Right Arm'through Impact. In other words, the Right Arm will act as a 'chain' on yourLeft and it simply cannot go through. And so no matter how much you know aboutthe Flat Left Wrist, it cannot be maintained under this circumstance, andso...it Bends! And the Shot -- and perhaps the match -- is lost.

The place to program this move is at Impact Fix (8-2 and 7-8 ). Bypre-positioning your Right Shoulder 'down On Plane,' say almost directlyopposite the Ball -- probably much lower than your presently feel -- youwill be able to extend through the Ball much further until you reach the BothArms Straight Position at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11). When youreturn to Adjusted Address from this position you will notice that you have a'lot of right arm' -- it is quite bent, even with applied extensor action --and that means that as your Right Shoulder turns through the Ball in this muchfarther way -- "chasing it" as Nick Price likes to say -- then theLeft Arm with its Flat Left Wrist can fly through Impact unimpeded by the'chain' of the Straightened Right Arm caused by the too high RightShoulder.

The reverse of this Impact Fix position would be when you prepare for a 6-inchputt. This Stroke -- as in All Strokes -- must be taken to the Both ArmsStraight Position at the end of the Follow-Through. What to do with such ashort Stroke? You pre-position your Follow-Through for the Both ArmsStraight Position almost immediately following Impact. Now your Right Shoulderwill be much higher than the pre-positioning described above. As a result,you'll have a nice firm 'no Quitting (3-F-7-B) Downstroke to the end of yourFollow-Through and your putt will rattle the hole.

By the way, for those who suffer from 'double hit' putts, this last advice isthe solution.

Stay with this idea, Hue. It is really, really key.
A mistake I have made often, was to get to Impact Fix but keep my hand there and not return to Standard Address. I know I can hit from Impact Fix but I do not have the skill for that, yet.

It is only possible to keep a FLW if the right shoulder is down in plane until through the ball's position.

innercityteacher 02-20-2011 07:13 PM
Knowing the Pressure Points to bring a hcp. and golf course down to their knees

Originally posted by Yoda

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ressure+points # 1


Improper #3 Pressure Point Pressure causes the Right Wrist to Flatten. Remember, Power flows from its source (the Accumulators) and is applied against the Pressure Points that directly and indirectly drive the Club through Impact. Almost always, the Clubhead Lag (and Acceleration Control) is assigned to the #3 Pressure Point (6-C-2-0). This becomes the Indirect Drive of the Lever Assemblies. All other employed Pressure Points are the Direct Drive.

For Hitters, Power Accumulator #1 (6-b-1-0) drives both the #1 and #3 Pressure Points (6-C-2-C). Therefore, to maintain the Bent Right Wrist, focus through Impact on the Bent Right Arm's Direct Drive against the #1 Pressure Point (6-C-1) -- the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb. Keep the Right Forefinger 'easy' on the Club and allow the Clubhead Lag and its Indirect Drive to be accepted by the #3 Pressure Point. When you have learned to properly maintain these Direct and Indirect Drive Pressures, you will have learned to maintain the inert and Bent Right Wrist. And if you don't Feel the heel of your Right Hand Driving against your Left Thumb and your Unstressed and Bent Right Wrist trailing along behind, well...you ain't got it yet.

And how will you know when you've got it? It will sound like a 'war' in your practice area. You'll notice people staring. Maybe even gathering around. Asking you for a tip or two after you've wrapped up. Things like that. Meanwhile, while you're learning, it wouldn't hurt to watch Lee Trevino's Downstroke motion on video tape a few hundred times.
Swingers, the Indirect Drive of the Clubhead Lag is once again assigned to Pressure Point #3. The Direct Drive is supplied by the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn (Accumulator #4) and by the Wrist Cock (Accumulator #2). Focus on the Start Down Lag Loading (Drag the Butt End of the Club Down Plane per 10-19-C) and the Sequenced Release (Uncock and Roll per 4-D-0) through Impact. Allow the Indirect Drive of the #3 Pressure Point to accept the Lag Loading and the Direct Drive of Centrifugal Force to Power the Clubhead.

ForI cannot urge strongly enough the benefit of video work in this area. Much of what is done with the video is cosmetic and ineffective. But used properly, it can lead you to Golf's Promised Land. If you can dispassionately watch through Impact your Bending Left Wrist and Flattening Right Wrist -- trust me, that is almost certainly happening -- and determine to correct it, then it can be done.

Put your Stroke on video. Try to correct your Motion as I've prescribed. It didn't work, did it? Do another video. No good. Try again. No good. Try again. Closer. More #1 Drive Out Pressure for Hitters. More #2 Throw Out Pressure for Swingers. No good. Try again. Better. Again. A lot better!

Nirvana!

Stay with it.

You can do this!


What is being spoken about here is Impact Fix for Hitters.

So let's see one of the many useful videos here at LBG:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...-ImpactBag.wmv


PP #'s 1, 2 and 3 "Dead behind the shaft!," at impact!

innercityteacher 02-20-2011 07:43 PM
Impact Fix by the numbers

Here's another TGM source:

http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruc...een-good-lucky

Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Smith, "Golfguru," here at LBG

Impact Fix: Difference Between Good & Lucky
BY PAUL SMITH


Fig 1
Impact Fix - Alignments

Fig 2
Fig 3
Fig 4
The Impact Fix is a feel for impact alignments, fixed in the mind and body before the swing starts. The rest of the swing feels are then fitted around it to make it easier and safer. We also have feels for the grip, stance, waggle, forward press and start up to finish, the total motion feel. If that seems complicated, that’s because it is. However, it becomes easy with time and practice as the mystery is taken out of it.

From the Face-On view (Fig 1) the left arm and the club are in line. From the Down the Line view (Fig 2), the right forearm and the shaft are in line.

Extensor action, a gentle pressure down, not towards the ball, is applied to the left arm to make the swing stable and heavy. Then stand away as far as you can with the balance point a little towards the heels.

Important details like clubface alignment and position can be included. The clubface should be slightly open for Swingers to allow for their faster slightly hook-producing clubface closing motion and square to slightly closed for Hitters to allow for their slower-rolling small slice-producing motion. If the clubhead is aligned with the sweet spot on the ball then lowered to the ground, you will notice it falls a little toward you and the ball now rests more towards the toe with the club soled.

Once the Impact Address is part of the total motion it is “fixed” in your mind, you are welcome to return to your normal hands at mid-body address position (Standard Address Fig 3 and 4) or a hybrid of the two address’s (Adjusted Address). Or you may stay in the Impact Fix Address and start your motion from there.

WHY GO TO SO MUCH TROUBLE?
Because impact is all that matters. The difference between good players and bad is the location of the hands at impact. Since this is the only location that determines success in the swing, it is worth making a study of the characteristics.

Done well, Impact Fix gives you a 90% chance of success. Your handicap, within five shots is predictable by your hands’ position at impact. The forward clubshaft lean is mandatory.

If the Number One alignment – the left arm and shaft – is bent power is lost because the club cannot be supported by pressure from the hands and arms and is now both slowing down and rising, meaning you will hit the ground or the top of the ball.

If the Number Two alignment, the right forearm and shaft is bent, once again power and precision are lost. The best engineering is available with the right forearm being in line with the shaft (Down the Line View).

How do we go about achieving this wonderful piece of golfing magic?

Naturally if you try to implement this tomorrow on the golf course, you may hurt yourself. Make it a project over six months or six years without neglecting your normal programme for R&D. This will have major implications for your golfing and family life, so make sure the business is in your name.

START SMALL
Start in front of a mirror noticing the change necessary to get from Impact Fix back somewhere to through the ball. Start at 30 cms. And work out from there. Yes, it is the first we have felt that and there is no way we can use that in a golf swing, for now.

So we start with small shots in the yard at home. Look at pictures of good players to notice things not seen before.

Like anything new it feels different because it is different and NOT because it is wrong. Notice how quickly solid shots come when starting from impact fix. Later, start with any address position. Note however, that when moving back and forth between impact fix and standard address the hands are still mid-body.

Notice how close the ball seems. That is how close it has to be to be hit. Any farther away means throwing the power away behind the ball, not through it.

Notice the angle of approach of the shaft from half-way down. That will be a new one for 90% of us, a much flatter approach, usually two to eight inches flatter. But now everything can turn through together.

Notice there is a different Impact Fix for different shots. Notice that starting from impact fix how hard it is to turn the usual amount on the backswing. Some raise their heads to get around this but that leaves an opening for total failure on the project. It is better to stay down with a shorter swing. Why go back to an inferior routine? It will not be strange for long and all that your friends see is the ball flight.

Slowly introduce the Impact Fix into the pre-shot routine in practice, then on the course perhaps after giving up on scoring efforts. Halt the project at any time but get back onto it as soon as possible.

Impact Fix will make the difference. Starting the downswing to achieve correct impact is the most difficult move in sports without Impact Fix. It shows us the station that we must pass through. With Impact Fix in mind, anyone can learn do it.


About the Author: Paul Smith
Paul Smith holds a Master Craftsman's rank certified by the Golf Clubmakers Association in the USA and is one of only 220 Authorised Instructors of The Golfing Machine (Bachelors in Golf Stroke Engineering). Clients get a first class education session whether it be fixing a swing fault or building clubs from scratch to suit a player's ability.


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Lots of basics to master for a solid, basic golf stroke!

ICT

innercityteacher 02-25-2011 03:56 PM
Impact and Line of Compression

Thanks to Air and all the other contributors to this fine thread which I will be studying next.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7767-65.html

innercityteacher 02-28-2011 01:21 PM
Driver Impact

Using an "upper cut" motion to drive to Both Arms Straight (BAS) yielded some interesting results yesterday. The swing change produced blisters where I had not ever encountered them on my left pinky tip and on the right outside of my left index finger. I hit about 250 balls yesterday, alternating Swinging and Hitting.

Driving through to BAS had me feel the club was either level at impact or slightly on the rise. When hitting it on the rise, the carry with a range ball and 50 degrees was 210.

My backswing was below my shoulders and very, very horizontal and very dependable in Hitting a very high, straight ball with my 90 mph swing. The driver is an Adams Speedline 9.5 degrees reg shaft.

A downward swing produced a carry of about 190 yards down the middle.

I found this at ISEEKGOLF

http://www.iseekgolf.com/clubfitting...ole-in-fitting
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wishon

Angle of Attack: Its Role in Fitting
BY TOM WISHON


Angle of Attack: Its Role in Fitting
Over the past several years, the golf industry has said in countless magazine articles that the ideal conditions for maximising driver distance is to fit the golfer into a driver that generates a high launch angle with a low amount of backspin.

Let’s take a look at that using TrackMan launch monitor data from two of the members of the PGA Tour, Bubba Watson and Charles Howell III.

We need to first state that both players are generating the optimum launch monitor results for their respective swings.

Bearing that in mind and looking at the difference in the two players’ launch angle measurements, what is missing from this analysis that could possibly account for such a big difference in these two players’ launch angle, given the fact that both players are fully optimised for their driver performance?

PLAYER BALL SPEED LAUNCH ANGLE SPIN RATE
Bubba Watson 186mph 13.5° 2200rpm
Charles Howell III 172mph 7.0° 2800rpm
ANGLE OF ATTACK
The answer lies in a parameter of the golf swing called the Angle of Attack. The Angle of Attack defines whether the clubhead is traveling on an upward, level or downward angle with respect to the ground when it moves through the impact area with the ball. In short, some golfers hit up on the ball, some hit down on the ball, and a few swing so that the head is traveling level with the ground when it hits the ball.

The Angle of Attack is hugely important in the determination of the optimum driver loft for all golfers because it has a big influence on the dynamic loft of the head at impact. An upward angle of attack increases the dynamic loft and increases the launch angle of the shot for any given static driver loft. A downward angle of attack decreases the dynamic loft and lowers the launch angle of the shot for any given static driver loft.

Now let’s add one more parameter to the information from the data collected from the TrackMan driver analysis of Bubba Watson and Charles Howell III as follows.

PLAYER BALL SPEED LAUNCH ANGLE SPIN RATE ANGLE OF ATTACK
Bubba Watson 186mph 13.5° 2200rpm +5°
Charles Howell III 172mph 7.0° 2800rpm -5°
As you can see from the additional information, Bubba Watson swings the driver with a 5° Upward Angle of Attack, while Charles Howell III swings the driver with a -5° Downward Angle of Attack.

Each golfer’s Angle of Attack is purely a product of their swing characteristics. Quite simply, some golfers simply develop different Angles of Attack into the ball as a result of various individual swing habits and characteristics. Now let’s add one more column to the chart.

PLAYER BALL SPEED LAUNCH ANGLE SPIN RATE ANGLE OF ATTACK DRIVER LOFT
Bubba Watson 186mph 13.5° 2200rpm +5° 7.5°
Charles Howell III 172mph 7.0° 2800rpm -5° 11.5°
Keep in mind that both players are fully optimised for their driver performance as a result of having gone through extensive testing with the golf companies with whom each has an equipment endorsement contract. Because of the difference in their Angles of Attack, Bubba Watson is fully optimised for his driver performance with a loft of 7.5° while Charles Howell III has to use a driver with a loft of 11.5° to be able to reach his optimum driver performance.

In other words, the more any golfer delivers the driver head to impact on a downward angle of attack, the more loft they have to use on the driver to be able to be fully optimised for distance performance. Conversely, the more the golfer brings the head to impact on an upward angle of attack, the lower loft they can use on the driver head to reach their point of distance optimisation.

What is interesting to note is the fact that the higher the loft, the more backspin is generated. Golfers with a downward angle of attack are always going to have to use a higher loft to reach their point of being optimised for distance. Higher loft always generates more backspin, so golfers with a downward angle of attack are always going to generate more backspin than golfers with an upward angle of attack.

For players with a very high ball speed such as professional tour players, more spin equates to a slight loss of distance. At ball speeds in excess of 155mph, the greater the spin, the greater the friction between the ball and the air through which the ball is flying. The more friction generated between the ball and the air, the sooner the ball’s velocity decays and the sooner the ball falls back to the ground.

DOWNWARD ANGLE OF ATTACK
A golfer with a downward angle of attack is always going to be at a disadvantage in overall driver performance to the golfer with an upward angle of attack. The more the golfer swings with a downward angle of attack, the more loft they will need to play on their driver to offset the effect of the downward angle of attack on the dynamic loft and resulting launch angle. The higher the driver loft to achieve the optimum launch angle, the more backspin is generated.

To give you an idea how much of a problem the downward angle of attack can be, let’s go back to our PGA Tour player with a downward angle of attack.

PLAYER BALL SPEED LAUNCH ANGLE SPIN RATE ANGLE OF ATTACK DRIVER LOFT CARRY DISTANCE
Charles Howell III 172mph 7.0° 2800rpm -5° 11.5° 278yds
Charles Howell III 174mph 12.8° 2100rpm +5° 8.0° 306yds
From the information, you can see that if Charles Howell III were able to somehow change his swing to be able to deliver the driver to impact with a 5° Upward Angle of Attack, he would gain a incredible amount of carry distance. However, the question certainly would be, if CH III were to embark on such a major swing change, would he still be able to retain the swing consistency necessary to take advantage of the potential for more distance.

From this we can learn a few points to keep in mind with respect to Driver performance and fitting:

Optimum launch conditions for maximum distance are primarily dependent on clubhead speed and the angle of attack
If the clubhead speed and angle of attack of the golfer is not known, it is not possible to tell from ball launch conditions if the golfer is maximising his/her potential for distance or not.
With the assistance of TrackMan, we can offer the following chart which reveals the most optimum launch parameters for maximum CARRY DISTANCE for a number of different clubhead speeds (swing speed) and different angles of attack

Keep in mind that when fairways are firm and very dry, it is always best to reduce the loft/dynamic loft/launch angle and reduce the carry distance to lower the shot trajectory and take advantage of more roll on the fairways for the greatest total distance.

OPTIMAL DRIVER LAUNCH PARAMETERS FOR MAXIMUM CARRY DISTANCE
CLUBHEAD SPEED (MPH) ANGLE OF ATTACK (DEGREES) BALL SPEED (MPH) LAUNCH ANGLE (DEGREES) SPIN AT LAUNCH (RPM) CARRY DISTANCE (YARDS) DYNAMIC LOFT AT IMPACT (DEGREES) PROBABLE DRIVER LOFT
75 -5° Down 105 14.1 3170 145 17.1 23
75 0° Level 107 16.1 2690 156 18.6 19
75 +5° Upward 109 18.9 2310 167 21 15
90 -5° Down 129 10.6 3130 195 13.1 19.5
90 0° Level 131 13.4 2700 208 15.4 15.5
90 +5° Upward 132 16.0 2210 221 17.7 11.5
105 -5° Down 153 8.0 3060 243 10.1 14.5
105 0° Level 155 10.7 2520 259 12.3 12
105 +5° Upward 156 13.8 2070 274 15.2 10
120 -5° Down 177 5.7 2880 291 7.4 12
120 0° Level 178 9.0 2430 309 10.4 10
120 +5° Upward 179 12.1 1910 326 13.2 8

About the Author: Tom Wishon
Tom Wishon is a leading golf club designer and researcher. He has designed golf clubs for famous golfers such as Ben Crenshaw and Payne Stewart. He is the author of two best-selling golf books: "The Search for the Perfect Golf Club", which was recognised by the International Network of Golf as the best golf book of 2006, and "The Search for the Perfect Driver".


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Should I go to a 15.5 degree driver? 19.5 degrees? 11.5 degrees? LYnn will fit me in April for everything but what do you folks think?

It might be very cool to get a 20 degree driver and hit straight down on it and never have to differentiate between my driver swing and hybrids and irons!


ICT

innercityteacher 03-05-2011 11:12 AM
Training the Uppercut
Quote:
Originally posted by Yoda


Good question.

In The Golfing Machine, the Three Stations are the Address (8-01/2/3), the Top (8-6) and the Finish (8-12) The goal is to be as preparedas possible before Start-Up, as precise as possible through the Topand as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the properposition at the Finish.

Note that Impact (8-10) does not enjoy the rank of a Station. It simply"gets in the way" of your Delivered Clubhead. And you use theThree Zones (Chapter 9) to train your Machine to operate without interferencefrom either Club or Ball. In Zone #1 (Body / 9-1), for example, youlearn your Pivot motion without the Arms and Club to avoid awkward"hitches." In Zones #2 (Arms / 9-2) and #3 (Hands / 9-3) you learnto make their Motions without a Ball to avoid Throwaway (4-D-1) andSteering(3-F-7-A). So, once you've established your Impact Fix alignments(2-J-1) -- this is where you nail that inside-aft quadrant! -- the Ball becomesirrelevant. It could be there. Or not be there. Practice Stroke (3-F-5-1)or for real (12-5-3).

Once you've determined your Fix alignments, the Aiming Point (6-E-2)replaces the Ball. You now direct the Lag Loading (7-19) of the #3 PressurePoint at the Aiming Point as if it were the Ball. This Aiming Pointcan only be determined by experience (Practice!) only. And you will need tolearn how to direct your Thrust precisely at that point once you've learnedwhere it is.

The way to do that is explained in 6-E-2-1. At the Top, you mentally constructa line from the first joint of your Right Forefinger (#3 Pressure Point /6-C-1-3) to the Aiming Point. This becomes your Delivery Path (10-23-A or10-23-C). Practicing in slow motion -- first without a Club; then with a Clubbut no Ball -- you let a careful Downstroke Pivot (On-Plane Right Shoulder /10-13-D) deliver the Lag Pressure Loading (7-19) strongly down the StraightLine Delivery Path (of the Hands). In real time, the Club is driven stronglydownward, smashing through the Ball, through the Aiming Pointto the Low Point to the Both Arms Straight Position(Follow-Through / 8-11) from which you Swivel into your Finish.

The big idea -- if you haven't noticed! -- is "Down." StraightDown through the Aiming Point. Straight Down to the LowPoint of the Stroke. Only then, per 1-L 13/14/15, does the Club begin theUpward portion of its Orbit, and even then the Thrust continues Down Planeuntil the end of the Follow-Through (8-11).

Homer told me one time that very few golfers actually go all the way down.Almost all reach the Ball and begin their upward Motion before the LowPoint is reached. "Even Tour players," he said.

"They almost all come up, and I'm really kind of surprised when I seethem still take a divot."

I asked him for the name of a player who did go all the way down.

"Trevino," he said with a lowered voice and a growl.

"I like that guy. He hits a wedge, and you've got to help himget the club out of the ground!"
I am loving the simplicity of the "upper cut" Elbow Plane Hit. As I have become comfortable with it, I can minimize my swing to below or right at the shoulder and "C-Smack" the heck out of it.

Now that I am enjoying this Power and Predictability, Precision and Aim are needed.

With Irons, the "push-draw" looks like a straight shot and is very satisfying with an Angle Hinge. By sliding the ball forward and carrying my stride deeper, I can get a pretty satisfying 10 yard draw. I recognize that that is still too much of a draw given smaller greens and bunkers and such so I'm not likely to play anything but a push-fade.

The bigger issue is the very high floating 220 yards of carry driver I get by hitting up on the ball. I can see the temptation to get a 20 degree driver of "Biblical proportions," and with Spring winds and July-August ground hardening, simply hit down on the driver to create a more boring shot. I'm waiting 'till after Cuscowilla to make a driver purchase.

I read with great interest this note from Mr. Clarence Williams sent to Mr. Blake

Quote:
Lynn,

I just wanted to give you some feedback on how I have been progressing since our practice session on Feb 17th in Marietta.

I practiced the fundamentals on the evening of the 17th and played 9 holes the next day. I shot a 2 over par and hit all 7 fairways. I am at least 2 clubs longer now.

I practiced the next week and played 9 holes on Feb 25.I shot a 3 over and only missed one fairway.

I played on Feb 27th at course where I have not broken 94 in over 2 years and shot an 83 hitting 10 fairways and 6 greens. I am hitting it as long as the college guys now and still have more to go.

Thanks so very much for helping me get back on track.

I will contact you later this week to set up another practice session when I get a better feel for my schedule.

Clarence
I'm sure many of my concepts will be clarified during my April visit with Lynn and will try to note the precise changes Lynn makes and their beneficial effects.

ICT

Yoda 03-12-2011 11:22 PM
Arena Bound
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 82846)

I'm sure many of my concepts will be clarified during my April visit with Lynn and will try to note the precise changes Lynn makes and their beneficial effects.
Not feeling TOO much pressure!

:confused1

:laughing9

:salut:

KevCarter 03-13-2011 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 83059)
Not feeling TOO much pressure!

:confused1

:laughing9

:salut:
LOL, if you are feeling pressure, I'm astounded. NO DOUBT in my mind how this is going to go with both my friends!!! :salut:

Kevin

JerryG 03-13-2011 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 83059)
Not feeling TOO much pressure!

:confused1

:laughing9

:salut:


Don't worry. After entertaining City for a few days of golf and keep in mind he teaches in an urban school, his expectations are not terrifically high, but his standards are beyond reproach.
Within an hour, you and anybody within earshot will be seated and avidly listening to City's highly educated banter.
In short, you are in for a real treat. The Swamp will never be the same.

innercityteacher 03-14-2011 12:10 PM
Lol!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 83059)
Not feeling TOO much pressure!

:confused1

:laughing9

:salut:
Lynn, if you can help Mr. Gay and others make millions, I'm confident you can assist me in raising sheckles off my talented club friends in" the Minneapolis/Madison/Hershey Summer of 2011 Magical Mystery Tour and Beer Fund!"

Last year, JerryG and Kevin made me stop paying after 2 days! ("Just when I thought...they pull me back in!")

I will be buying a beer or several for Daryl in Madison!

I have to be careful though, playing those men including Kevin Carter, JerryG, and Daryl. They don't fall for the artificial hip stories and the brutality of the class room stories (like the kid who set the girl on fire).

JerryG just points to his tuba playing stretch marks and his knee brace and Kevin just points to his elbow. They mumble things like "just be glad you are not as banged up as we are!"

I think Daryl will probably just pull out a diagram on an IPAD and diagram all the mistakes I've made since I joined this site last year! "He's in my head, man!"

Peace Out! :)

ICT


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