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innercityteacher

01-18-2011 12:41 AM

Some pictures for the relief of readers with bent necks!

http://asafgolf.free.fr/swings/swings.htm

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tionary+ head # 12

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 01:13 AM

The stiff necked resistance of fact to ignorance!

This post has caused me to have several paradigm shifts in the last 10 minutes! WOW!

Training for the winter and THE MASTER MOVE IN GOLF (if there is one).

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 7

Quote:

Response by Yoda

Quote:

Learning Extensor Action
Originally Posted by JohnThomas1
I think Yoda advises using PP1? My way of thinking at the moment is using PP1 to stretch the left arm taut and to keep this action thru the whole stroke. Am i close?

Yes, John, this is the action, and it is mandatory that you integrate it into your Golf Stroke. Without a Club, use the following simple drill:

1. As a Preliminary Address, Grip your Left Thumb with the last two fingers of your Right Hand.

2. Pull on the Thumb to straighten your Left Arm.

3. Now proceed through the remaining eleven Sections of the Stroke, pausing in each for a few seconds and reaffirming the Stretch of the Left Arm by the Right. With the Right Wrist Bent, be very aware of the heel of the Right Hand pushing against the Left Hand Thumb. You can think of it as the 'stump' of the Right Forearm pushing against the Thumb.

4. After training solely with your Hands, go through the same routine with a dowel. Remember to Grip down on the dowel roughly the length of your Left Forearm. This promotes Left Wrist stability and the Feel of the Left Arm Flying Wedge alignments.

Personally, I think of the Twelve Sections as four subsets of three:
Three to get ready -- Preliminary Address, Impact Fix, Adjusted Address.

Three to get up -- Start Up, Backstroke, Top.

Three to get down -- Start Down, Downstroke, Release.

Three to get around -- Impact, Follow-Through, Finish.
As you pause in the Backstroke and Top Sections (Hands Chest high and Shoulder high), this 'Pushing Out against the Thumb" action should be unmistakeable. Keep your Head Stationary and stretch out all the 'wobble' in the Left Shoulder girdle. Turn your Head slightly and look LOOK LOOK to see the Stretch. I do most of my drill training in front of a full-length mirror and recommend you do, too.

At Start Down, leave your Hands and Right Shoulder at The Top -- they don't move! -- as your Hips move ever so slightly to the Left. Feel the Hip Action Lead as the Right Shoulder Lags and Extensor Action Stretches. This magnificent combination totally removes any left side 'slack.' If there is a Master Move in Golf, this is it.

While checking your Extensor Action visually, also note mentally every 'detectable, distinguishable Feel' the Action produces (3-B). Just as important, become aware of its contrasting Feel, i.e., Extensor Action OFF. In each Section, On...Off. On...Off.

Finally, remember that there are two ways you train Educated Hands: Eyes Open and Eyes Shut. So, complete the process with Closed Eyes.

Do this exercise -- and believe me, it can be a workout! -- for a few minutes every day. Give it your complete, concentrated attention, and you will soon note a new structure and consistency in your Golf Stroke. It will be Extensor Action Feel doing its job, operating invisibly to take your Game to the next level.
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Yoda

Add Extensor Action to the Stationary Head!

ICT

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 01:21 AM

More drilling for gold!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 8

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Originally posted by ED Z
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 1,625
The best place to 'know' that you are using extensor action properly is from impact to both arms straight. You should absolutely feel the right arm extension - the idea behind the "shake hands with your target" image.

Most people haven't felt this move before because they are not working from the ground up, from inside, and hence are 'out and over' with the right shoulder.

Use the split grip drill and move simply from impact fix to both arms straight. Do this without a ball, and in balance (eyes closed is one of the single best drills you can do). Check for a proper grip (10-2B) and work on these ideas.

When you really feel that right arm extend without 'doing', move to punch shots.

6B1D is certainly one of the single most imporant concepts in TGM IMO.
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Yoda	01-18-2011 01:30 AM

ICT,

When you quote a post in your own, you need to include its originator.

This is easy to do. If I wanted to attribute a post to you, for example, I add these brackets before and after:

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercity

I love LBG!

Oops, it worked! Sorry, you can't see what I did.

Here's the simple procedure:

Put quote=whoeveryou'requoting in brackets before the quote you post. Then, put the slash and word /quote in brackets after. Sorry for the tediousness here, but if I actually put the things in brackets, it quotes. As it must!

:eyes:

Simple. And then everybody knows who said what.

Especially in your posts, ICT, that can sometimes get confusing!

:laughing9

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 01:33 AM

I am officially now in awe of this website!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tionary+h ead # 16

Quote:

Response by Yoda

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Extensor Action And Weight Shifts
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

Per recommendation of "staying left" at Start Up through Top or using the feet, ankles, and knees as anchors, I have noticed that this also increases the "stretching the wobble out" feeling of extensor action. I have noticed that if I "drift" right as with shifting the weight advised in traditional instruction, the stretching Feel is not as pronounced.

Am I on the right track here?

Having been properly set at Impact Fix, the Head remains Stationary until at least the completion of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight). The Weight, however, does not remain fixed -- either for a Hitter who begins from Impact Address (Weight Left due to Hip Slide) or for a Swinger who begins from a Standard Address (Weight equally-balanced between the Feet).

Instead, assuming Full Strokes, the Weight shifts -- to the right on the Backstroke and to the left on the Downstroke. The source of these Weight Shifts are the respective Hip Slides, and it is our 'Hula Hula' flexibility (7-14) that allows these shifts to occur without disturbing the Stationary Head. And as long as the Head remains Stationary, Extensor Action will be unaffected -- in either direction.

If I understand this correctly, the Stationary Head is undisturbed because the Extensor Action Laden Power Package is simply Hula'd away to the Top and then, ala Knudson and Moe Norman, the ball gets in the way of the EALPP being Hula'd to the target and through to the Finish Swivel!

How amazingly elegant and simple! Like sweeping with a broom or............. DRAGGING YOUR WET MOP!

ICT

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 01:42 AM

I have to go to bed now.

I think this may be harder than the golf swing.

I just found out we have no school tomorrow and got distracted and forgot to include the thread. I like the "originally posted by convention" and will use it! So what you are saying is to use that formula instead of highlighting the text I'm quoting and pressing the quote button on the top part of the box? I can do that!
:salut:

I cannot imagine the giftedness you guys have to perceive the bio-mechanics of the Golfing Machine! I intend to give full credit to fully amazing people! :)

I have to go practice IMpact Fix described Stationary Head, Extensor Action RFT , Slight Hula and enjoy the club swooshing down. I hope my Snauzer stays asleep and out of the way!

ICT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81504)

ICT,

When you quote a post in your own, you need to include its originator.

This is easy to do. If I wanted to attribute a post to you, for example, I add these brackets before and after:

Oops, it worked! Sorry, you can't see what I did.

Here's the simple procedure:

Put quote=whoeveryou'requoting in brackets before the quote you post. Then, put the slash and word /quote in brackets after. Sorry for the tediousness here, but if I actually put the things in quotes, it quotes!

:eyes:

Simple. And everybody knows who said what.

Especially in your posts, ICT, that can sometime get confusing!

:laughing9

Yoda	01-18-2011 01:44 AM

Corrective Surgery

ICT,

Read my post #444 above and get to work on your post #445. We want attribution! In the familiar 'quoted' way, not by reading down into the post. :smile:

We want to know who said what to whom and when! Or is it 'who'? Whatever . . .

Get those QUOTE brackets workin'!

:salut:

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 02:09 AM

The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81507)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 70205)

You went to the wrong place, noproblemos. Instead of the range, take Ben's Chip, Pitch and Punch Shots to the Chipping and Pitching Greens.

Learn to hit these little shots crisply, firmly. From a slightly Open Alignment of the entire Body (not just the Stance), position your Head in the dead Center of your Stance, then lean it slightly left. Leaning Tower of Pisa. Feel your weight shift as you do. Your left quad should feel loaded. Set your Flying Wedges properly.

On the Backstroke, use your Right Forearm to take the Club up, back and in On Plane. Your Zone #1 Pivot Components (Feet, Knees, Hips and Shoulders) should support and assist this natural movement. On the Downstroke, with the Body Turn gently leading, use that same Right Forearm to Accelerate and Drive the #3 Pressure Point through Impact. That's Hitting. Alternatively, Swingers should allow the Turning Body to transfer its Momentum into the Accelerating Left Arm and Club and let Centrifugal Force do the work. Either way, keep the Action sharp and take a little Divot.

Hold your Follow-Through at Both Arms Straight. Look, look, LOOK and make sure your Left Wrist has remained Flat and your Right Wrist has remained Bent. Deliberately employ one of the three Hinge Actions and verify that you executed it correctly. Make sure the Clubhead has remained beneath the Hands. Learn to make that Sand Wedge talk: Chip Shots, Pitch and Runs, Cut Shots, Lob Shots, Low Flying Spinners.

Do this 10,000 times -- I am not exaggerating that number -- and then let us know how it's going.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 5

WOW! I can and will get used to that!

ICT
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Yoda	01-18-2011 02:20 AM

Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81509)

WOW! I can and will get used to that!

Great job, Patrick. You now are empowered and on your way!

:3gears:

innercityteacher

01-18-2011 03:04 AM

More than just a pretty face and less effective swing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81511)

Great job, Patrick. You now are empowered and on your way!

:3gears:

I have learned some things regarding Swinging and Hitting in my research into the archives which I did not understand this summer as I lowered my GHIN to 10.9.

1) Like Daryl observed, I am working way too hard on the list of things in my golf motion.

2) Humans are organisms with sophisticated bio-mechanical parts that are blended together to look seamless.

3) The Golf motion, done correctly, is a blended, organic event.

4) The Stationary Head needs quiet knees and feet, and an on plane grip using Extensor Action and a Right Forearm Takeaway , to form a One-Piece loading and unloading of Lag through the Hula of the hips. There is a simplicity to the motion described my "dragging the wet mop."

More later,

ICT

innercityteacher

01-22-2011 12:22 PM

Payoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81511)

Great job, Patrick. You now are empowered and on your way!

:3gears:

Quote:

Originally posted by brianmontgomery2000
Senior Member

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ohio
Posts: 123
I have been amazed at how far I can hit the ball with what feels like a painfully slow right arm thrust (and conversely how screwed up a shot can get when I thrust "fast" -- which probably means "early").

A lot of times my swing thought is "slow, heavy, deliberate"...

I think it works because of mechanical advantage of the club still whipping through from left wrist uncocking and release of the lag. I'm still studying.

Also, remember, it's even hard for a trained eye to truly tell if someone is hitting or swinging, so the "speed" of the thrust may be more one of feeling.

#12
01-20-2011, 06:13 AM
Par71
Junior Member

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher
If you do this well, you will have more friends and be popular. Some people in PA, GA, MN, IL, and New England will welcome you around their campfire on a cold, dark night. You will here a rifle shot sort of impact sound. You will achieve "coolness" and you will feel better about God and the life he has given you. You will make friendly wagers and win several giving a portion of the winnings to your family, the poor, and a higher yielding CD!
Sounds like it's worth the effort.

I find your explanations extremely helpful, ICT. As for the weight left issue I might have misunderstood your first post. Of course the weight will be favoring the left side at impact fix (at least if both the body and the hands are in impact fix). I understood you were suggesting it should stay on the left side through the entire backstroke.

#13
01-20-2011, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Par 71

I find your explanations extremely helpful, ICT. As for the weight left issue I might have misunderstood your first post. Of course the weight will be favoring the left side at impact fix (at least if both the body and the hands are in impact fix). I understood you were suggesting it should stay on the left side through the entire backstroke.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICT
Yes, that's my meaning. Of course the RFT will move the entire Power Package since it bio-mechanically has to. It will cause a slight shift but by staying left, your back hip is out of the way, as Daryl explained it to me, and your back shoulder moves more easily down plane. (My hips are messed up due to old foot ball injuries so some of my understanding is abstract.)

Par 71, there are other sites with some pretty cool graphics like Iseekgolf.com and Golfmachinist.au. I have looked at lots of sites and gotten different perspectives on all things TGM, but LBG seems to be the most faithful in explaining the correct bio-mechanical relationships necessary to have a very effective golf kit. I'm glad I can help you but I am really on the practice squad, not quite the JV (junior varsity for our foreign friends) team.

I would use our search engine and look at everything you are interested in through Lynn's perspective. Good Luck! Let us know what happens!

ICT
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Yesterday, 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by JerryG
Senior Member

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Lake Elmo, MN
Posts: 414
City,
Earlier, you stated we were gatekeepers. We are the gatekeepers whose mantra is "Welcome." We stand at the gate to not only greet, but to also invite.
I recently told the story of the guy standing next to me at the dome who asked what I was working on. I very lightly mentioned things like "steady head", "bent right wrist," "flat left wrist" and the like. I asked what he was working on. He stated "supinatin' and pronatin." When I asked what he meant, he said he wasn't sure. Nice lessons, eh?
None of that baloney here, though. I invited him with a reference to this web site. I made it available. I did not drag him kicking and screaming, though I should have. I did suggest a lesson with someone who is a Friend of Homer's. He didn't pick up on it. I am afraid he is destined to wander in the desert for awhile. There is that readiness factor, you know.
Point being, if I may try to make one, this is the place to kick it around and get Positive feedback and Constructive information. Short of being on a nice golf course, this is my nirvana.
Speaking of nirvana, it was -22 deg.F here this morning when I wandered off the estate to my place of servitude. Should be nicer out tomorrow getting up into the single digit +'s.
Peace, brother.
g

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#15
Today, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by innercityteacher
Senior Member

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 891
Wandering out in public, again!
Originally Posted by JerryG
City,
Earlier, you stated we were gatekeepers. We are the gatekeepers whose mantra is "Welcome." We stand at the gate to not only greet, but to also invite.
I recently told the story of the guy standing next to me at the dome who asked what I was working on. I very lightly mentioned things like "steady head", "bent right wrist," "flat left wrist" and the like. I asked what he was working on. He stated "supinatin' and pronatin." When I asked what he meant, he said he wasn't sure. Nice lessons, eh?
None of that baloney here, though. I invited him with a reference to this web site. I made it available. I did not drag him kicking and screaming, though I should have. I did suggest a lesson with someone who is a Friend of Homer's. He didn't pick up on it. I am afraid he is destined to wander in the desert for awhile. There is that readiness factor, you know.
Point being, if I may try to make one, this is the place to kick it around and get Positive feedback and Constructive information. Short of being on a nice golf course, this is my nirvana.
Speaking of nirvana, it was -22 deg.F here this morning when I wandered off the estate to my place of servitude. Should be nicer out tomorrow getting up into the single digit +'s.
Peace, brother.
g

The last two weeks at my indoor golf league, with my 10.9 hcp. I shot an 84 and 79. Tonight with the help of my friends ...............

JerryG ......firm right wrist, good crab dip and going back to my bullseye putter
KevCarter .....Cool clubs, how to turn my left hip left, and the fried Chicken basket
Daryl.......Pivot, firm left wrist. lots of cool pictures
OB Left....Delayed Hip Turn and right shoulder throw, Shaniah Twain
Yoda......Stationary head, RFT, EA, Vertically Un-cocking Left Wrist, Finishing Swivel and how to write posts....

my Aunts Romana and Belle...... used to discuss great literature and classic movies with me and were great cooks...

I shot a 73 on a par 70 (a 63 with my hcp.) with 4 birdies, avg. 176 yards per drive. I hit a lot of Wedges within 8 feet. I know it's only a simulator but it was 12 degrees outside!

ICT

Last evening, I opened with a double, and I then remembered the Stationary Head and Impact Fix, RFT, and I tried the VJ Trolio move with those alignments and they did not work for me. I had to center my head with "quiet feet and knees" to get the VJ stuff to work AND IT DID (2nd hole). Thanks, LYnn, VJ, Daryl, Jeff! I WAS 2 OVER ON THE FRONT 9. (2 birdies)

And then I got tired. I just wasn't used to spinning my Pivot in such a controlled manner for so long! What to do? :( Right Shouder Throw, my version of it anyway based on OB's

Stationary Head at Impact Fix, RFT, Light EA=2/5, Ball adjusted for a push/draw thanks Lynn, VJ, TEd, Kev and JerryG and 2 more birdies. One of the birdies was on a par 5, the hard way. 182 yard drive followed by 192 yard hybrid (yes, I will now use it off the tee) and a PW to 8 feet. 1 OVER ON THE BACK AS I THREW 2 BIRDIES AWAY. I WAS TIRED. IT WAS MIDNIGHT, AND I RECOGNIZED HER PERFUME. OH YEAH, IT WAS CALLED "TAKE ME TO THE CLUBHOUSE, YOU FOOL, TAKE ME NOW, YOU BEAST!" ( Actually, I forgot to check the stance I was putting on.) :happy3:

I used my bullseye TPC edition Titleist "Deep Face" putter. Thanks JerryG, again. I'm thinking of carrying 4 hybrids. Do they make a # 1 hybrid? :golfcart:

ICT

KevCarter

01-22-2011 12:41 PM

Patrick,

You need to give yourself the LION's share of the credit. Your improvement is due to not only studying the good stuff, but a TON of hard work on your part. We are all very happy for you! :) :cheers: :salut:

innercityteacher

01-22-2011 12:55 PM

What are the range of hybrids?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81639)

Thanks Kevin. Why are hybrids so much easier to hit? Do they make a "driving hybrid?" It seems to be the perfect length, perfect spot between my belt buckle and left heel, and the right trajectory. I use a Taylor Made # 2 and # 3 depending which I got out of the used bin at Golf Smith for uhmm $15 each.

ICT

KevCarter

01-22-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81641)

More weight further back in the club makes them easier to launch. They make very strong lofted hybrids, but they are harder to launch than FW's for me. I have found 18° to be about the strongest hybrid I can handle... at that yardage I am better off with an 18° FW metal. Everybody is different though... last year Titleist made a 15° hybrid. I have a friend who LOVES it, but too strong for me...

Kevin

innercityteacher

01-22-2011 01:03 PM

Measurements

:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81642)

My # 2 hybrid is 19 degrees. I have lost the ability to hit the FW or the driver it seems for now. Lynn will help me figure it out, I'm sure. I think I have too steep of an angle owing to the front leg shortage. But an Angle Hinge should work. :confused: 15 degrees? Hmmmm. Back to the bin!

I remembered to really keep my left wrist firm, last night, too as Daryl, Jerry and you have reminded me.

ICT

:happy3:

ICT

KevCarter

01-22-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81644)

My # 2 hybrid is 19 degrees. 15 degrees? Hmmmm. Back to the bin! :happy3:

ICT

Never know, maybe it would be just the ticket. We all need to try EVERYTHING!!! Keep us posted... :golf:

Kevin

KevCarter

01-22-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81645)

Never know, maybe it would be just the ticket. We all need to try EVERYTHING!!! Keep us posted... :golf:

Kevin

:golf:

Hey, I never really payed attention to this icon before. The ultimate in AIMING POINT!!! :) :) :)

:golf:

Kevin

KevCarter

01-22-2011 01:23 PM

The Lynn Blake Way On TOUR

All my TGM buddies read this thread... I want to be sure you all have seen John Riegger's post.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...1624#post81624

Quote:

Originally Posted by john riegger (Post 81624)

thx everyone for the support. the wife and i did a 5 mile jog today, wow i think im crazy with all this exercise stuff. i haven't played any golf in months.been doing my normal stuff at home. dowels, tracing with laser, working on 3-f-5, start down waggle, and i could go on and on.the weather is going to be nice tomorrow so i may venture outside to hit a few. i'll keep you updated

jr

One of the top players in the world, going right back to the book and working on the very same fundamentals YODA is teaching us. We ALL make it too complicated... You won't be surprised to know Mr. Riegger's quote was added to my Swing Thoughts document along with 3-F-5.

Kevin

innercityteacher

01-23-2011 10:09 PM

I need some information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81650)

All my TGM buddies read this thread... I want to be sure you all have seen John Riegger's post.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...1624#post81624

One of the top players in the world, going right back to the book and working on the very same fundamentals YODA is teaching us. We ALL make it too complicated... You won't be surprised to know Mr. Riegger's quote was added to my Swing Thoughts document along with 3-F-5.

Kevin

In my last most successful golf adventure, I Hit using the motion below with an Angle Hinge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJwND-9wPRg

I did it from Impact Fix. Is the above move from Mr. Williams a Swing or Hit?

Thanks in advance.

ICT

KevCarter

01-23-2011 10:14 PM

Boy, I can't ever tell for sure Patrick. My opinion... I see a lot of swinging and centrifugal force. I think that right shoulder is going through like a flywheel, and I see him working at pitch elbow... pitch elbow can be used in hitting but is much more common in swinging. YODA was very impressed with how far this gentleman could hit it!

Kevin

innercityteacher

01-23-2011 10:26 PM

Agreement

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81704)

If he RFT's to shoulder high and Pivots the shoulder down with no thrust, it is still a Swing. If he RFT's from Impact Fix, Pivots and thrusts against the shoulder, he Hits?

Thanks Kevin. :)

ICT

innercityteacher

01-24-2011 01:58 AM

Good Luck Lynn, enjoy yourself!

ICT

KevCarter

01-24-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81707)

If he RFT's to shoulder high and Pivots the shoulder down with no thrust, it is still a Swing. If he RFT's from Impact Fix, Pivots and thrusts against the shoulder, he Hits?

Thanks Kevin. :)

ICT

I think that's the right idea Patrick. I think folks get confused sometimes and equate RFT with hitting. YODA has shown us how to effectively use RFT with both hitting and swinging, in fact I believe it is one of the most important concepts we learn for getting the club on plane... I think we can learn from Mr. Taly's swing as well...

Kevin

innercityteacher

01-26-2011 12:08 AM

Mr. William's Good Flat Stiff Wrist

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81757)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJwND-9wPRg

Now, my post has covered my attempts to "learn and apply TGM" with my disabilities (artificial front hip, 1.75" short left leg) to my once upon a time 21 hcp.

My last search on the Stationary Head helped me shoot my lowest golf score, albeit in a simulator, ever, a + 3 "73." Before that, my best score was in a GAP event, an 83, where I finished second in a pretty small field.

The Stationary Head forces the golfer, imo, to use RFT and a careful selection of either Impact Fix or a thoughtful Address position.

But I have to be honest with myself, a driving average of 176 yards, which I had on the simullator is just stupid. It is an obvious indication that I am not doing something basic. One of my female golf companions on last Friday night, regularly drove the ball 25 yards past me with roll out. &B:

Some of you might think I am a weakling. That would be incorrect. Today, I wrestled a fourth grader and sixth grader to the ground as they threatened to bloody each other. The whole fight took 20 minutes. While I am still sore, I am not weak.

So what am I doing wrong. My head will be stationary but something else must change to allow my golf clubs to be moved more quickly, more powerfully or perhaps both.

Lynn has said in the following video that some alignment, when mastered, will immediately allow your game to go to the next level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

So I'm thinking I do not understand the Finish Swivel, or if I do understand it intellectually, I cannot do it as a part of my golf Swing (since it is a Swingers concept).

So that's my new research project. How do I learn to do a Finish Swivel? Do I keep my left wrist firm or loose? Do I rotate my forearm on purpose? Do I Pivot hard enough to shake my forearm loose? Does keeping my left wrist and right wrist firm force my forearms to rotate?

How does a regular guy "do" a Finish Swivel?

As a preliminary observation, Mr. Williams has a very stiff FLW in his Swing and yet he seems to have a Finish Swivel. Lynn's FLW seems very stiff but his forearm seems somehow, supple. Is that what Delivery Line Roll Prep? Are we firming up our FLW at the Transition at the Top to create LAG that will force the forearm to Finish Swivel? Hmmm.

One more fine LBG video will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

Maybe I am missing the "pow" in Power! If I diligently keep my left wrist firm and flat, making a left fist even as I write, there seems to be weight and heaviness that my left forearm flips over by itself when I straighten my left arm. Is that the LAG that must be left at the Top while the Pivot reverses?

More to come!

ICT

tim chapman

01-26-2011 04:54 AM

Do you have a video of your swing to post up here ICT ?
That might give those that can help more to work with ?

innercityteacher

01-26-2011 11:56 AM

Heavy weight struggle

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 81874)

Do you have a video of your swing to post up here ICT ?
That might give those that can help more to work with ?

I am not posting a video until my "chunky monkey" status changes, Timothy. :thumleft:

Otherwise, you make another fine point. I had an English girlfriend in college... she was awesome.... it reminds me of a story....:wink:

ICT

tim chapman

01-26-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81880)

i'm trying to drop a few too, 7lb in the last 3 weeks - but there's no fun in it is there

off topic.........not exactly PC but apparently the late great Clement Freud's favourite joke.....
fella walks into the bedroom with a sheep under his arm
''honey he says'' (in accent of your choice)
''i thought you'd like to know that this is the pig i sleep with when you've got a headache''
the wife looks up from the bed
''you really are some sort of stupid idiot'' she says 'that's a sheep not a pig !''
''yes & you can mind your own business'' he says ''i wasn't talking to you ''
:-)

innercityteacher

01-26-2011 04:22 PM

I'm posting that somewhere else!

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Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 81889)

That was great! :golfing_banana:

BTW, When I post a video, you will notice my Total Motion looks profoundly different from Lynn Blake's or any real golfer!

ICT

tim chapman

01-26-2011 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81890)

BTW, When I post a video, you will notice my Total Motion looks profoundly different from Lynn Blake's or any real golfer!

ICT

looking forward to it

i suspect there are a few of us could lay claim to a less than text book swing - yours had better be pretty funky now you've laid your cards on the table :-)

KevCarter

01-26-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81890)

That was great! :golfing_banana:

BTW, When I post a video, you will notice my Total Motion looks profoundly different from Lynn Blake's or any real golfer!

ICT

Hey Patrick,

Your total motion shouldn't look like Yoda, it should look like Patrick. We have an ideal model in our computer, but in reality you gotta be you!

You have a nice looking swing by the way, nothing at all to be ashamed of...

Kevin

innercityteacher

01-26-2011 11:33 PM

What I think my motion looks like

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 81892)

Hi everyone. Last Friday night was really big for me in taking a Stationary Head and Impact Fix, keeping a firm FLW and RFT. So At shoulder level, I planted my left heel and rolled my Power Package through trying to extend my right forearm through the ball like a solid post.

It felt like I was doing this swing.

Now, my distance was stupidly low but I hit almost every fairway and though short on long par 4"s, I was on line to each pin.

I know Duval has a stronger grip than I do. I know he is on an Elbow Plane whereas I was trying to keep my wrists elevated. Wouldn't it be funny if I found I could set a stronger grip, line up more open, and get more distance from my Pivot? Maybe set the ball up more forward for drives and hit up as suggested in another thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aju48SO7OpI

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 03:01 PM

Funky monkies, flat wrists, flat women and ....cool, crisp sangria.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 81891)

looking forward to it

i suspect there are a few of us could lay claim to a less than text book swing - yours had better be pretty funky now you've laid your cards on the table :-)

Ok, the good news? :laughing9

When I loose all hope, when the under-endowed young lady in the simulator outdrives me by 20 yards in the air, when the dog bites, when the bee stings, I must remember my FFLW (Firm, Flat Left Wrists).

More good news on my way to 38 putts and shooting an 88 on the simulated Old Course from the championship tees? :( My FLW, my FFLW (Firm, Flat Left Wrist), allowed me to increase my driving average from 176 yards to 198 yards.

More good news? I only messed up 3 holes, A LOT! I mean I was 8 over on two par 3's and 4 over on one par 5 (The hole before the road hole has an out of bounds line which I crossed twice for a 9! :crybaby: )

So, a FFLW, firm, bartender, cool, like the fruitiness of my boxed sangria. So, my bet is that the FFLW allows the Finish Swivel to activate.

Nice guess, newbie, but there is soooo much more to know!

Consider this post from the" basement archives," I mean SEARCH function

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=Finish+Swivel # 10

Quote:

Yoda Originally Posted this:

Regarding the post-Impact alignments you have observed:

1. In the video, as Mgjordan correctly noted, I am Impacting a heavy Bag with a light stick. The Bag is non-resilient, and its mass is several hundred times greater than that of a Golf Ball. I am Making a Motion, the bottom portion of which has been rudely interrupted by the Bag hitting the stick just as hard as the stick is hitting the Bag. My Left Arm and Wrist have not suffered the same collision. Hence, the stick has been buried in the Bag; my Arms and Hands have continued forward; and the extreme alignments you have observed are simply God's Plan. In fact, for the alignments to be any less extreme, at Impact I would have had to Quit. And that wasn't going to happen!

2. Further, I amTraining with the express purpose of eliminating the Golfer's Public Enemy #1: The Bent Left Wrist through Impact. I am training to take Lag Pressure to Both Arms Straight and beyond. As stated in the video, Impact alignments at a normal Ball Location are irrelevant to my purpose. Also, the Angled Hinge Action (and its Rhythm) of this Hitting Stroke have been stifled by the Impact. For obvious reasons, the Finish Swivel is non-existent.

3. Even so, the Motion is not as exaggerated as you think. While it is obviously a wrench of your concepts -- and those of tens of millions of other golfers as well -- what you see in the video is what the great playersFeel through Impact. And the reason they get such different results than we do is because they get there -- Through the Ball with a Flat Left Wrist -- and we don't. It's as simple as that! All this is good news because you are now standing at The Gateway to your best golf.

Rarely do Players -- even the 'good' Players -- sustain the Clubhead Lag Pressure through Impact. In fact, Lag Pressure Point Pressure is in its greatest jeopardy 3-6 inches before Impact: What should have been a sustained drive to Both Arms Straight becomes a Throw. To be sure, it can be an 'expertly' delivered Throw, but it is a Throw nonetheless. And history's great strikers don't Throw...they Drive! Hitting or Swinging, they Drive. I'll put some photos up soon that will surprise you.

Homer Kelley told us:

"The Clubhead Lag 'lays' into the [Right Forefinger] #3 Pressure Point. The Club doesn't want to go along, but it has to. You don't Throw the Club! It's like dragging your baby brother."

Now, it's up to you. It's one thing to read about a drill. It's another thing to see it done and to ponder its usefulness. But to actually do it and enjoy its benefits -- aah, there's the rub!

"Do or do not. There is no try."

A FFLW is part of the heaviness of a Lag-laden, proper stroke on the way through, through, I said and Yoda said, Lag splitting through the ball.

Here's the video Yoda explains in the quote above:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=122

I admit that I cannot do that, YET! I must learn how! :salut: If you have a "+" hcp. you can do it, which means there are a lot of golfers that need to learn this, also.

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 03:10 PM

I tried the David Duval motion, my version of it anyway. I have no clue of how the man makes a living.

Someday, Red Baron!

Dustin Johnson carries his 3 iron 50 yards further than I hit my driver by 50 yards!

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 04:16 PM

The basic two-step of Both Arms Straight and Finish Swivel

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 81997)

How do I get to be a better golfer?

1) Firm, Flat Left Wrist

This is where I want to go!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie

Apples and Oranges
GPStyles,

That is an astute connection. Many people execute the downswing as a swivel action, as opposed to reaching full extention (both arms straight) and THEN executing the finish swivel. Although Trevino did not execute a finish swivel (as far as I can tell) studying the angle of his right forearm approach allowed me to seperate THE follow through from THE finish. Without a precise followthrough the finish tends to be contrived, off-plane and for show! Once those arms are pulled as taught as guidewires where else can you go but swiveling back on the face of the plane? I have found that if I focus on taking my power package to both arms straight...I swivel. A more important distinction is also seperating hinge action from the finish swivel.

"Every seperate item in the stroke is properly understood only when learned and mastered separately and its seperate identity maintained." - Homer Kelley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlEy0pNBc

But how do I get there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

The only natural result of a proper Both Arms Straight position carrying LAG through the ball is the Finish Swivel.

When I practice simply pulling my left arm straight down, as hard as can from RFT, my drives are straight albeit about 180 yards, and all my irons are crisp and biting. My theory is that with a quiet lower body, I hit both Arms Straight properly. Hitting my driver as far a Tiger hits his 8 iron is not acceptable, though I can have a single digit handicap with such a stroke.

What do I have to employ to straighten my left arm fully getting to Both Arms Straight and the Finish Swivel? Without this answer, my handicap is handicapped!

Is it the Pivot? Is it a Hip Slide then the Pivot? :scratch:

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 05:01 PM

Seek and we shall find.....

Quote:

Originally posted by Yoda

I agree that "if the physics of the stroke are identical to the point past separation at which the bend will or will not take place, the ball flight will be identical." The problem is that they won't be. You just don't hit a perfect Golf Shot and then, all of a sudden, do a bad Swivel. A good Golf Shot demands a good Finish Swivel for the Club to take the proper route through Impact. The Finish is "the Precision Destination of the Downstroke Blast-off from the Top," not just "Impact fall-out" (2-N-0).

If the Finish Swivel has not been properly programmed (consciously or subconsciously), then it will not be properly executed, and the Club will not -- indeed, cannot -- take the required route from the Top. What will be executed is the classic Chicken Wing, and Steering and Quitting through Impact will be the ineveitable enablers.

As far as Freddie Couples goes, per the explanation in my prior post, his Bent Left Wrist is entirely correct due to his Turned Left Wrist in the Grip (Strong Double Action 10-2-D). It would not be correct for a Golfer whose Left Wrist was Vertical (Strong Single Action 10-2-B).

How do we get to a proper Finish Swivel?

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 05:07 PM

Steps to a proper Finish Swivel

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Manzella

For clarification:

Lynn make s a very good swing (and hit) at the ball.

No doubt.

My left wrist is flat a bit longer than Lynn. So what?

Well the so what is just what Lynn is saying, The golf stroke works BACKWARD from a wobbly point and that point---even if it is after imapct---can start to cause problems.

I have had a LOT of success with golfers TRAINING them to keep the FLW through the finish. Like our friend jim_0068, after they LAERN it that way, they then can let it, as Lynn says, do what it wants.

....BUT....

...in the meantime....they are FIXED!

So, step 1 is to have a Firm, Flat Left Wrist, EVERYWHERE!

OK, HOW DO WE TRAIN THAT POSITION?

Quote:

ORIGINALLY posted by Yoda

I have seen many Flat Left Wrists in my time, and I've got to tell you, I've never seen it done better than by Brian Manzella. When he graciously called me from his 21st PGA Coaching and Teaching Summit last month and handed the phone to his mentor, Ben Doyle, the First Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine, I was flabbergasted. [There are only a few times in life where that word works. This is one of them.]

My first question?

"Mr. Doyle, how did you teach Brian his Flat Left Wrist?"

His immediate answer:

"Chip. Pitch. Punch."

And there you have it, guys. Fifty years on the Tee in Three Words.

I am humbled.

There's more here. Much more.

Fasten your seat belts.

Bagger.

Trig.

Warp Speed!

"Chip, Pitch, Punch" the man said. We need a warm front in Philly!

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 05:38 PM

So I do not forget a good lesson...

Quote:

Originally posted by Yoda

Really good stuff, Robot Buddy R2D2. You're doing your homework!

A clarifying point:

Make no apologies for the Bent Left Wrist after the Finish Swivel. It isthere for a reason, and if you ignore it, your Stroke -- and your Shot -- willsuffer.

Yes, there is magic in the Flat Left Wrist, but like anything else, that magiccan be overdone. Per the 'Useful Combinations' of Chapter 5, the Wrists move intandem. As you have correctly stated, the Swinger's Backstroke Motion finds theLeft Wrist Flat, Level and Turned (5-B-1) and the Right Wrist Bent,Level and Turned. After the Finish Swivel (2-G), we find the oppositecondition: the Right Wrist Flat, Level, and Rolled and the Left Wrist Bent,Level and Rolled. This 'Golf as a Double Handful' Wrist Combination is notspecifically listed in Chapter 5, but it is correct. For study, the Combinationof 5-D-1 and 5-D-2 is the prelude to the Wrist Combination I've described.

If the player is ignorant of this correct Wrist Combination and overrides it byattempting to maintain a Flat Left Wrist -- when, in fact, it should be Bent-- then Big Trouble is on the way. Even though the Ball is 'long gone'by the time the Flat Left Wrist Override occurs, The Computer (Chapter14) knew it was coming long before, and it will disrupt the ClubheadOvertaking through Impact to accomodate it.

This is a very important point. One, quite frankly, that puzzled me for yearsand that I was quite happy to finally put to bed. Never forget, Precision isrecognizing and reconciling minute differentiations. Sometimes you have to'connect the dots' -- as we did this time -- but, nevertheless, there is ananswer to every Stroke question...

In The Golfing Machine!

The computer must be programmed correctly!

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 06:57 PM

Ok, so how do we keep a Firm, Flat Left Wrist? Can you say Basic Motion?

Quote:

Originally posted by Bagger

Thanks rwh,

I've been meaning to get back to this question but figured someone would jump in.

JT - The right wrist doesn't cock, it bends back on itself. Go ahead and put your right arm in front of you, when you cock your wrist, you will see wrinkles in the skin below your thumb. Now instead of cocking, bend it back. You will see wrinkles across the back of your hand, but not below your thumb. Now, your results may vary depending on your anatomy, but you get the idea.

As rwh mentions, at the top of the swing you don't need to cock your right wrist. The bent right elbow acts to put the right forearm and wrist in the correct alignment at the top. Your LEFT wrist will cock.

This is PART of what is known as the "Flying Wedges" in TGM. The concept is important enough that Yoda will very likely post a thread for it in the the advanced forum.

Bagger

So Basic Motion will help me with my Finish Swivel though the Basic Motion comes nowhere near Finish Swivel. Beautiful.

I have been purposefully bending and freezing my right wrist in all my strokes. I think that's why I have no "mashing" going on and not much of anything else. I basically block the ball around the course.

I started "freewheeling" a bit more the other night by doing everything to my "27-9" Tour Tempo rhythm. It was exhausting doing everything that fast! LOL

So Stationary Head, Standard Address, RFT-Pivot/Tilt (Hip Slide), 1....2/3 for a Swing? We'll see!

And the Hitter, with an unfrozen, non-deliberate BRW, starts at Stationary Head, slight Impact Fix (?) (I think I overdo Impact Fix), RFT...Straighten/Hit?

We'll see!

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 07:01 PM

Ooops, we have choices!

Quote:

Originally posted by Bagger.

For swingers, you have a choice. As MJ says, CF will uncock the left wrist automatically. But you can intentionally uncock. The nice thing about TGM is you have choices. The main thing is the swinger sequences the downstroke so you uncock first, then roll. You can vary how and where this occurs in the downstroke.

Bagger

Wow!

ICT

innercityteacher

01-30-2011 07:08 PM

Someday, It'll be this easy, I HOPE!

Throw out or Drive out?

Quote:

Originally posted by Yoda.

Yes, mb6606.

When Swinging, I use Horizontal Hinge Action (Flat Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Horizontal Plane through Impact); and when Hitting, I use Angled Hinge Action (Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane through Impact). In the beginning, I trained myself to execute each Hinge Action (2-G) perfectly. First without a Club; then with a Club but without a Ball; and finally, with a Ball, at first in Short Shots, and later, in Full Shots.

I was always a Swinger until I consciously learned to Hit. As a consequence, I had the Swinger's Backstroke with its Start Up Swivel and its End Top; and its Downstroke characterized by Drag Loading, Sequenced Release and Horizontal Hinge Action. When learning to Hit, I had to substitute the approriate Variations:

1. For Standard Wrist Action (with its Start Up Swivel): Angled Hinge Action (10-18-C-2).

2. For an End Top: Straight Line (10-23-A).

3. For Drag Loading: Drive Loading (10-19-A).

4. For Sequenced Release: Simultaneous Release (4-D-0).

5. For Horizontal Hinge Action: Angled Hinge Action (10-10-C).

But today, after assimilating these necessary Mechanical differences, I simply tell my Hands that, on this particular Stroke, we are going to Throw-Out (Left Side Centrifugal Force Drives). Or, on that particular Stroke, we are going to Drive-Out (Right Side Muscular Thrust Drives). Those instructions delivered, the Computer does the rest: The Stroke becomes the automatic execution of a procedure (Chapter 14) in compliance with the Basic Stroke Pattern of either 12-1-0 or 12-2-0 (as modified for the Shot at hand).

We are indeed "fearfully and wonderfully made."

I had better bring several pairs of gloves to Cuscowilla in April, and have hit 1000 balls a week starting the middle of March to prepare!

ICT
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