Where do we start learning TGM?
 

I have 3 imperatives for the newbie and one "essential."

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm # 1

Yoda said:

Starting points!

ICT

You aint diggin up no bones ICT.

Wonderful stuff you are finding down deep!!!

Kevin

Archive Issues
 

Those who have visited The Archives Forum (first year of Yoda's posts) have no doubt noticed some anomalies:

First, we were unable to bring in the actual date posted, so the dates you see bear no relation to reality. Some have the date they were brought into the Archives (many on several such 'global' dates). And for some reason unknown to me, some feature dates as early as 1970, thirty-four years before I began writing! :shock:

Second, there is no post title. The original titles were not brought in and are now lost to history. This is painful for me, because my titles are both fun and functional. :crybaby:

Third, the post import did not retain the original formatting. Worse, the words are often 'stuck' together. It's better than nothing, of course, but it's still an eyesore for me and an inconvenience for our readers.

Finally, after 8,761 posts, I write better, and I relish the opportunity to edit my past work. I would preserve the content, but sharpen its presentation.

Recently I asked for volunteers to help me organize this vast body of work since January 2004. I'm happy and proud to say that five brave souls have embraced the challenge. Soon, our hardy band will get to work. They'll do the organizing, and I'll do the editing. It won't be easy, but it will be worthwhile.

Meanwhile, I briefly revisited my post quoted above by ICT. I didn't change any content, but I did correct the formatting errors and eliminated a bit of wordiness. It's still not perfect.

Only 8,670 more to go.

:eyes:

Enjoy!

Following Yoda, Daryl , and Kevin's tips for Swings and Hits.
 

I went to Impact Fix using 4 of Mac monitors to LOOK, LOOK, LOOK and back to Standard Address. I bent my right elbow but kept right wrist LEVEL. Then I straightened my right elbow hoping to get to the TSP. (Is that how I get to TSP?)

When going to what I hope is TSP or more "TSPish," my right forearm and the club shaft seemed to be on the same plane. My right arm was at 90 degrees to the club shaft. By bending my right elbow, using RFT, my club came up to shoulder level after tracing the BLP (Base Line of the Plane). I checked the position by extending the club shaft to see if it did indeed point to the BLP and it did.

The Plane is so steep that the Vertically Cocked Left Wrist seems balanced on a pinpoint. A slight bump of the hips forward and the club head smashes into the ground, hard. I experimented with the Horizontal Hinge and wide, stable stance. The club face seems to rotate and close. With an Angle Hinge and a Hitting stroke the club head shallows and lays back a bit.

The problem for me was that when I first started reading about TGM, there was just too much information! You might be reading this and saying to yourself "I'm smart (Not like you or Sonny but I'm smart! I was passed over Mikey! I was your older brother and I was passed over! How do you think that made me feel?)"

Seriously, to read the info is one thing and that is daunting. To apprehend the information by practicing is impossible to do without a guide. Now I had a very good TGM teacher who knew or had taught almost every system from Ledbetter to TGM, but he was not a proponent of RFT, though a very effective teacher. LBG is another level of detail completely. I would ask questions having to go through my learning process and my AI would say that's not important, just do this. His point was that he would teach me a swing I could shoot par with and he could. But my point was that I wanted to know TGM. John didn't want to waste my time or money. I had to know though, what TGM was and is. John gave me a TGM tool kit and I wanted the Ph. D.

I now see John's point. TGM can be a simple tool kit. it could be 52 toolkits, one for each week of the year. But I want and need to understand the whole puzzle.

Impact Fix is the key.

As Daryl and Kevin have pointed out, the goal of a golf swing/hit is Impact with a FLW.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7215-39.html #388

The right forearm gives support and power, precision and power to the wedges whether Hitting or Swinging. That elegant structure, the Power Package can reduce compensations to nil thus maximizing anyone's power.

What I still don't get is how to KNOW I'm on the TSP. I also don't understand why the Ben Doyle fellas are so into CF. Maybe it's as simple as Chocolate versus Strawberry. :)

ICT

Pay attention at Impact Fix. Does the Shaft point to your Belt Buckle or Lower Sternum? Elbow Plane or TSP?

The two Planes don't look too different. But look at his right wrist in the Photo below. It's Uncocked. His Right Forearm Wedge is aligned to the Elbow Plane and his hands are Raised. If he had a Level Right Wrist while his Clubshaft was aligned to the orange angled line, then his RFW and his shaft would be on the TSP.

See how his Right Forearm points so much downward? It's not on the Correct Angle of Approach for the TSP. That requires a compensation which is an Uncocked Right Wrist in his case. If he keeps his Right Elbow where it is, and moves his hands forward slightly, and gets a slightly more turned right wrist, it would be Level. His Right Forearm wouldn't point down as much as it does in this Photo Sequence. I'm not talking about the "Two Inches" and I know that he hasn't reached Impact. I'm Talking about an Alignment.

He needs to learn how to Align the Wedges at Impact Fix with Level Wrists. It's pretty much as simple as that.





TSP Right Forearm AOA


EP Right Forearm AOA

Great.
Good to know. I thought it was caused by a man typing like mad. When I copy something I want to have on my PC, I have seperated the words to make it more readable. It actually takes a little time, but it's worth it. :rolleyes:

Thanks Daryl, again, for a great help!
 

Elegant and very helpful! As per h'abitude! :)

ICT

Thank God I have a day job I love!

Hi Everyone. I learned about this site, DelphiForums.com, home of the SpeeChain products from the search engine and archives of my friends at LynnBlakeGof.com I have a thread there, "Learning and Applying TGM with Disabilities by a 21 hcp." With Lynn's Forum, My GHIN hcp is now 10.9.

However, last night, playing in an indoor league, I was very embarrassed. The simulator recorded my swing speed at 87 mph. My longest drive of the night was 192 yards. The 65 year old man next to me was regularly carrying the ball 240 yards and the 40 year old man in our group was hitting the ball 350 plus.

I have an artificial left hip and a left leg almost 1.75 inches shorter than my right leg. I am 53 in another month. I am 5-11" and weigh 240 lbs.

I will buy your Speed chain and Torso trainer as funds allow, and will see if I can loose weight, I have started on Weight Watchers (lost 3 lbs so far), and increase my swing speed.

My best shots last night came as I tried to emulate Fred Couples. I did a RFT and tried to slowly snap my club head off at the bottom. My best competitive round ever was last August emulating Moe Norman's swing and shooting a 84 on a course I have never seen. That Moe Norman motion was simply extending my arms like Moe did, and Pivoting back and through.

Last night? With my 8 hcp. adjustment on Oyster Bay in SC. was 92/84


My last practice with new clubs:


shts dist/ carry run/ht/ Fade/Spd Vel BS SS VL HL


DR 15 172 156 16 17 9L 80 110 3540 434 L 13° 0.7°
4I 18 139 129 11 17 12L 68 93 4253 156 L 17.5° 2.1°
PW 51 89 86 3 16 8R 54 68 6789 137 R 29.5° 2.6°


I rely a lot on my hybrids, par 3's and short game during a round, as you can see.

I'm hoping your products are as effective for me as others indicate they are for them! Sorry guys, I cannot get these columns to line up!

I have been researching my 2nd fav golfer, Fred Couples (Moe Norman being # 1), in our archives and found these posts:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4064&page=8&highlight=Fred+Couple s # 's 70-77

Here's what got my attention:

Time for more "mad golf scientist" stuff!

ICT

More on Swing Speed by another great post maker of the past!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4064&page=8&highlight=Fred+Couple s * 80

davel
Senior Member

Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 118
Source of speed a long post
I have just started working out with the speedchain as yoda has said the lag and feel of the chains is remarkable. But like others on this forum I questioned if it work for me since I have pivot issues . I decided to call a 70 year old instructor who specializes on clubhead speed. That 70 year old can swing the club now at 127 mph!! I told him about my disability and the inability to rotate my hips and that I could not see how I could be able to get the speed I needed. His answer was speed is generated by the arms and hands. The faster you move them in both directions on plane the longer the ball will go. He uses 3 different types of training to build your speed up. The first is the swing chain which has been discussed. The second is a device called the xlr8r (accelerator) which is shaft with a ball on the end of it that has velcro on half of the ball. You swing the club as fast as you can and hit a pad that has velcro on it and has some resistance. If you swing the club on plane with a square clubface the club will stick and you must try to complete the followthru. You use the speed radar with the tempo and you work on speeding the tempo, making consistent contact and ending in a proper finish. In minutes when I tried this I increased my clubhead speed 10 mph. The resistance of the pad really makes you active muscles you do not normally use and the quicker tempo has been shown to correlate to distance. Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.

Thus both devices the swing chain and the xlr8r are devices that you swing fast with resistance in effect. The swing chain is constant the xlr8r is after impact so you naturally accelerate through or you wont't finish with the pad over the back. Besides these benfits Ben prefers this product because he believes people get the hit instinct and casting problems etc. when there is a ball there .

Finally he is working with a shaft with just surgical tubing at the end and you swing that like a whip. For those who think the 2mph rotation of the hips generates the power just swing that stick and focus on rotation versus arms and hand speed it will be clear what will make it snap the fastest.

Finally Ben has had people generate more speed swinging on stools with only arm and hand movements . As ben states the number one purpose of the body is to be a stable base to support the swinging motion.

Bens style is unique but he gets results. I am not preaching you see him I am just trying to say that he has a number of success stories in this area and if he believes and teaches and gets results by saying just swing those arms and hands as fast as you can you will train yourself to hit the ball furthur than you thought possible. By the way when when I video my swing There is no way when I look at the video that I can tell that when I swing my arms and thus my hands that I am not rotating my core and turning my shoulders and when I finish my chest is at the target that you can tell this was a direct result of just moving the hands. Well maybe that is what hands controlled pivot is all about.

Ernest jones in swing the clubhead stated that if you swing the clubhead per his definition that all the body movement and actions that happen are just the result of the proper swinging motion and many of his students did very well. A number of professionals do give credit for much of their success just from this book.

Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.

Also there are 4 accumulators 3 of which relate to the arms and hands. Also why was the body one given the last number.

Just food for thought

Dave
Last edited by davel : 07-14-2007 at 08:39 PM.

Thanks Dave! Thanks LBG!

Well boys and girls, I don't have the Swing Chain, but I do have the TOUR TEMPO book!

ICT

Salvadore Daryl
 

With the posthumous assist of Ben Hogan . . .

Daryl has illustrated a mission-critical alignment. Namely . . .

The Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its relationship to the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. This for the first time in golfing history.

Thanks, Daryl!

:salut:

It just dawned on me. Without that right elbow connection near the torso, whether TSP or EP level, there can be no marriage of Pivot Power to the arms and hands. Complete power or complete leakage! And that is the heavy elbow feeling generated by dragging stuff (keeping the right elbow close to the side is something I thought was optional).

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php/V...e-Wet-Mop.html

I could be slower intellectually, I'm just not sure how, sometimes.

Thanks Yoda and Daryl.


ICT

OK, this is the pro I think I can emulate most easily.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...ricker#slide=1

I understand the Taly. I have it. I think if I can master the FLW and Flying Wedges, and the proper ball position, I can build my very simple machine and shoot par or better often.

This guy would only be more perfect if he came from MN!

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours...-stricker-0222

FLW? YOu bet!

"I try to make it simple. I take the left arm, rotate it to the top and don't worry about the wrist set," Stricker says. "I try to be as firm with my wrists as I can, and just turn through. I feel like that's a more consistent way."

Read More http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...#ixzz1AyoxL110

Winter practice?

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...ker_wintergame

Step- by-step?

http://www.golf.com/golf/instruction...951563,00.html

http://www.golf.com/golf/video/artic...960835,00.html

More to come.

ICT

good choice fella, i'd do the same but the wife won't let me wear the hooped shirts :-)




yep with you on this ICT, just kind of realising this myself & you saying it brings it home thanks

In the Photo below, this tennis player is swinging on a Horizontal Plane. She has a Right Forearm Flying wedge that is Identified by the Red Lines. She won't flip the wrist but will bring the wedge to Impact, intact with the Bent Right Wrist.

You think a varsity tennis guy would know this.
 

Great picture!

Because I couldn't run at any real speed in college, my coach used to call me "deceptively slow." :crybaby:

I relied on the adage used in baseball, "hit them where they ain't." So, I had a free-flowing, long looping stroke that I could angle away at an opponent at the last second, with lots of mustard on the ball. I don't think though, that any of those strokes are useful in golf outside of 50 yards at this point in my development. :)


ICT

Tim, you are English and not French? Correct?
 

I had no idea that the continental invaders could leave such a profound sense of "je ne sais pas," style, in their wake!

I guess that's why there is golf in the USA! :laughing9

Anyway, Stricker is from Wisconsin. Whadya expect eh?


ICT

How coincidental. My hockey coach said I had three speeds: Slow, Slower and Stop,

Building a true TGM Machine
 

The best foundation:

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 2


If I am to get a machine that repeats, my head or my chest must be still. I have been watching Lynn in any of his videos. I move farther than he does while swinging when I breathe!

I have seen those "beach ball between the knee" drills on countless sites and magazines. I tried those lately, in an effort to remain stable. It decreased my body movement greatly! I swing in the mirror holding the ball between my knees. I can see the advantage of RFT in that regard. RFT produces a very quiet lower body, larger shoulder turn but very quiet Stationary Head. But I seem off balance while Hitting and "Spinning the Flywheel whlle Swinging. Still, Jeff and Ted hardly seem to move but wallop the ball.

Hogan's, Stricker's, most pro's shoulders really move, but their body seems so still! So I Hula left and kepp my right foot planted? The Pivot must be very subtle and quick. The arm snap after freely floating must be huge.

It doesn't seem possible to generate any real power from such a small move. Is it simply excellent timing?

ICT

I'm sorry, where is the flying wedge and red line in that picture???

Shes swinging on who's plane?
I'm a little distracted.

TGM by the numbers

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ad#p ost25771 # 1




I

I'm not as limber as Mr.Clampett but I can do quiet feet and an RFT.

So the RFT rolls the left knee in enough to form a solid brace of the head, but it is subtle.

TOops, there it is! Shorter shoulder turn and quiet foot and knees in support!

Notice the 10-2 Double D grip?

Small Moves/Powerful Moves!


A slight forward hip slide leads everything down! Hitters can hit if they want to! But it is a hip slide, not a knee slide which would throw the machine off balance.

That's what I got so far, anyway!

Oops, nice summary by Yoda!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ad#p ost25771 #8


I don't know if I'll look like Steve Stricker if I can do this, but I think I will hit the ball better!

Thanks, Lynn, HK, BC, and my fellow Americans!

ICT

Thank goodness I'm not afraid of a little thread jacking!
 

I hope that girl didn't hurt herself!
:golfcart:

ICT

TGM can apply to any sport in which a stick hits a ball. The same Laws of Force and Motion that govern the Golf Swing also govern other sports. TGM is about applying those Laws.

In Tennis, the Player Accumulates, Stores, Delivers and Releases Power. Tennis as in Golf, Levers are used to multiply the Force of the Pivot. Potential Energy - Kinetic Energy.

If the Science is correct, then shouldn't it's application be wide spread?

Science should be wide-spread. LBG does that and more!
 

Science, I mean the technical aspects of science, are neutral. A spoon can help feed a Haitian who is malnourished or Whoopi Goldberg who has not missed a meal in, ummmm, several years, let's say. :laughing9

A gun can be used by a store owner to protect himself and his family from a thug or it can be used by a punk who does not bother with the niceties that infringe upon law-abiding people threatening them for no apparent reason or purpose. :BangHead:

A microphone can be used to deliver a speech that comforts or distorts a memorial service by turning it into a pep-ralley.

What I like about LBG is that Lynn and his peeps put out real golf technique that is complete and sensible AND THEN PATIENTLY EXPLAIN IT TO GOLFERS. :)

GOD BLESS AMERICA, WE NEED IT! :golfcart:

Could we get an American Flag smiley or something patriotic for the only super-power in the world that gives away more money every month to the poor of the world and its citizens (and its illegals) than all the nations put together ever did...whose armed forces stop dozens of tyrants from inflicting even more misery on their own people than they do otherwise?!

You don't have to agree with me, but if you try to stop me from exercising my God-given freedoms (that's right, given to everyone, everywhere) well, bring your golf game and name the course! :laughing1


ICT

More on the bio-mechanical science of golf.
 

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 1


Stationary Head, Balance and Rhythm. Bobby Jones, eh? Yoda? Oh yeah, we are in right universe, solar system, planet, and website.

So, nothing I practice will be practiced without a quiet head, knees and feet.

Now to find some drills!

ICT

More definitive Stationary Head instruction!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 4

I never would have thought to establish the head at Impact Fix but it is logical since IF is the biggest deal of all positions!

Whether the head is at IF or centered, it must be STATIONARY!!! Use the eyes to monitor stationary aspect.

ICT

How not to loose your head in learning a good golf stroke!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 1



[RFT will help maintain a Stationary Head. If set for Impact Fix and Hitting the head will be slightly forward (I need to study what makes good IF) and stay there! If Swinging, then centered and Stationary there, too.

ICT

So what does a proper Stationary Head position look like?


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 4


So Impact Fix will influence knees and hips, lowering the head as the Angle of Approach is considered. Then the head is made Stationary.


ICT

Make a list! Check it thrice!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 5


Clarity is a great thing!


ICT

More Details, Yoda! Please!


http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 1

I'm going to have to start understanding the most precise way to correctly form Impact Fix!


ICT

Devil's Delight
 

Hard to get more detailed than this, ICT! If I did, the post would be so long that few would have the time and energy to read it!

The only substitute would be a video. Which, of course, needs to happen.

:salut:

No Problem Lynn, I was just celebrating the details !
 

There is plentT to work on in those posts. Good luck with your presentations and seminars!


:golfcart:


ICT

Doggedly pursuing a lead!
 

Is it possible to see this set of videos that were once posted? I'm interested in watching Sam Snead trace the BLP.

Here is the past thread.


www.lynnblakegolf.com/Video/SneadToski1.wmv


ICT

I'm not moving my head while watching Sam!
 

Let me make a contribution to the Stationary Head portfolio I'm developing here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJsZcGatEo[

I'm giving up on Steve Stricker to try to emulate Sam!

QUOTE=innercityteacher;81492]Is it possible to see this set of videos that were once posted? I'm interested in watching Sam Snead trace the BLP.

Here is the past thread.


www.lynnblakegolf.com/Video/SneadToski1.wmv


ICT[/quote]

My connection to the past?

I'll have to do the research, but I'm wondering how my "betters" feel about Sam's mention of rolling from the insides of the feet. I have tried that and my hands feel very vertical and quite free-flowing. I feel very close to the ground, very connected and very powerful!

ICT

More talking about heads, Stationary Heads!
 

I wondered if Fred Couples got some of his golfing inspiration from Sam Snead. I'm not sure I know but the smooth flowing, simple swing is so cool!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 10


So, I have discovered more insights around Stationary Head besides "rolling feet," and that is, again, RFT, and Small Pulley, head position established at Impact Fix or the selected Address, oops, forgot Angle Hinge since I think my shorter left leg and its steeper angle would be neutralized by more club layback.


ICT

Details, barkeep, set'em up!
 

One of the things I have learned on this site, is that there are details to the necessary "causes and effects" of all things G.O.L.F. Here are some important details that only a very good teacher of professional rank would know I think.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...tationary+head # 3


Does the rolling of the feet or ankles, by Snead and Nicklaus and maybe Freddie couples activate the Hula/Hula?

ICT