Originally Posted by Uppndownn (Post 49807)

Daryl,

I agree you must keep the left hip turning, but don't discount speed of the action. It is the speed that activates the strech - shorten cycle of effective pivots. For reference, please check out Chris Welch's kinetic link work on the net. If you can't find it, our man Bucks has the link!

UPP, going to the Golf Show in Ohio :golfcart:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 49809)

The Pivot CAN DOES and SHOULD influence direction . . . Right Shoulder Location is HUGE . ..

But the Shoulders do have crucial On Plane functions – synchronizing and aligning the Pivot Mtion and Thrust with those of the Power Package (Chapter 6). “On Plane” Right Shoulder Motion is possible only by titling its axis – the spine. See 7-14. In this area the Left Shoulder is helpless. The geometry of Shoulder Control deals only with Right Shoulder, for there are no guide lines for Left Shoulder control of the Right Shoulder. Therefore, variations in Right Shoulder location will vary the Left Shoulder location at Impact and, consequently, the Low Point location as well as the Angle of Approach (2-N).

Being a part of the Pivot and the Power Package, the Right Shoulder must reconcile them by moving with the greatest precision for thrust, speed, direction and distance. (7-3) So the Right Shoulder does not flap around haphazardly – it has many responsibilities. And variations in its Impact location will vary the Right Elbow’s Impact Bend and so may alter the Impact alignment of the Clubface. See 6-E and 7-23. The long Backstroke Shoulder Turn produces CIRCLE Path (10-23-E) and ARC of Approach procedures. The short Shoulder Turn produces “LINE” types of Delivery Path (10-23) and “ANGLE” of Approach procedures (2-J-3). So – if the Shoulder Turn is too great and takes the Hands inside the proper Angle of Approach (2-J-3), then you must shift to an Arc of Approach Delivery Line to “clear the Right Hip” (2-J-3). Or get an unwanted Pull. OR A SHANK. Otherwise, the Three Dimensions will become un-correlated including Compression Leakage (2-C-0) and an obvious struggle. As it goes back, so it tends to come down – because of the differences in Loading Characteristics (Components 11, 19, and 22).

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 49813)

Ok, ya. But the Hands sense alignments and for them to control the Pivot is a superior procedure than Pivot Controlled Hands.

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 49811)

Ok, I just read the Theory. He's Clueless.

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 49803)

I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Many golfers think that the Pivot is like a three stage rocket. That’s the problem. It’s not. It’s not how fast you can turn, it’s that you must keep turning and add Pivot Action.
Pivot doesn’t control direction (unless you have Pivot Controlled Hands). In Hands Controlled Pivot, the Hands sense alignments and the Pivot responds. Jeff Hull was saying this earlier or in another thread. He won’t let the Pivot take-over or do its job if he senses that it’s taking his hands, club, out of alignment.

Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 49822)

I think that as far as providing rotary force to the power package...it is like a 3 stage rocket... just that once the rocket has stopped powering the next stage....it still has a role in responding to the desired and pre-programmed path of the hands.... so it keeps moving in response to alignment needs and not power needs.

:golf:

see what people make of this guys pivot and power package ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh184bHGkpM

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 49831)

Hogans Hips are more open than the bubble model.

Their theory is anti-Pivot Lag. The Pivot train is like a three stage rocket in the sense that sequencing occurs but that’s where the comparison ends.
If the first gear slows, then a chain reaction of slowing follows. I agree that Hip motion first must overcome the inertia of the upper body and Club, and that may seem like work because of the effort, and when it subsides people think the pivot has done its job, but I don’t think the turning motion and Right Hip should slow.

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 49839)

I don't think the dude is saying you MAKE it slow but he's isolating the pelvis so it don't wobble around. The pivot is made up of joint segments seeking their in-line relationship just like the power package. . . . Homer got this . . .Pivot Lag.