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Hips, shoulders and Hand Acceleration, D, as you said! :) I think I'm slowing my acceleration by trying to pull with my left hand instead of lagging the club or RFT'ing and trusting the Pivot!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17517&highlight=hand+acceleration #post17517

There was massive damage to NJ and NY because of Hurricane Sandy as I'm sure everyone has seen on the news. Thoughts, prayers,funds and blood donations to the Red Cross for their important work in helping so many!

Amazing how Obama could be so aware of that storm but unaware and helpless while brave former seals called for American help to protect the US Ambassador in Libya! :naughty: :confused1

Maybe there is a bit of a parallel here with the Right Forearm Angle of Approach! When I RFT correctly, my left arm stops my right arm from turning anymore. The only thing to do then is bump and drop the whole Power Package down to a correct impact.
Likewise (stretching here)when our leaders on the left stop us from doing the right thing(like saving those soldiers and the Ambassador), maybe we should drop our Power Package of voting on Obama and hit his administration with a one-way ticket into permanent retirement! :)

Did I mention it was a stretch? :laughing9

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innercityteacher

10-31-2012 12:15 PM

Swingers and Hand Acceleration related to RFAOA

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94085)

Tracing the breadcrumbs back to swinging and the correct way to use or launch the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (RFAOA) I found this gem by EDZ:

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The Swinger's method of Acceleration vs. the Hitter's is where the answer to your query lies.
Be aware that 'quick startdown' in a swinger's case does not mean 'quick hands', but is a function of the pivot train moving from the feet up through the body at startdown - at its quickest producing snap loading via quick knee motion/hip action.
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Quick Pivot = Quick hips, shoulders and hand acceleration!

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innercityteacher

10-31-2012 12:22 PM

More on Acceleration for Swingers and Hitters

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94086)

Tracing the breadcrumbs back to swinging and the correct way to use or launch the Right Forearm Angle of Approach (RFAOA) I found this gem by EDZ:

Quick Pivot = Quick hips, shoulders and hand acceleration!

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This quote came from 12 Piece:

You're observations are on point.

1. The Hitter's Startdown is SLOW for a reason. As a result of being total dependent on alignments, structure and the muscle power of the Right Tricep his max hands speed is achieved LATER because he doesn't have CF to help him. The Hitter must accelerate and drive ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE AIMING POINT. If the Hitter's Startdown is too quick he achieves his hand speed too soon.

On the other hand the Swinger is dependent upon CF rather than trying to stifle it. His max hand speed is reached much quicker and then CF just does its work. That is why he is dependent on a QUICK Startdown.

2. Also keep in mind the Pivot is PARALLEL to the Delivery Line selected. Hitters have the Angle of Approach Delivery Line available to them. This is a Cross Line procedure "out to right field." As a result, the Hip Motion is Cross Line rather than On-Line. The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

As a result the Startdown Waggles will look different due to the differences in the Delivery Lines.

I can't speak for Yoda . . . but if I had to guess he traces the Straight Plane Line in BOTH his Hitting and Swinging procedures . . . and therefore the startdowns will look somewhat similar as a result of the Delivery Lines being the same.

Just a guess though.

I got the 4th at work. I thought this was illustrative . . . this passage didn't make it forward for some reason but this is from 10-19-0 in the 4th:

Drive Loading Rhythm is Muscular Acceleration - the same Lag Pressure in both directions with steadily increasing Handspeed.

Drag Loading Rhythm is "Centrifugal Acceleration" - the same Handspeed in both directions.

Here's another couple of interesting ones from the 4th that didn't move forward . . . .

10-19-A DRIVE LOADING . . . Drive Loading is the "Axe Handle" technique - an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against the Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. . . Clubhead Throwaway here is usually due to over-acceleration.

10-19-C DRAG LOADING . . . Inertia can hold the Clubhead inside the arc of the Hands or hold to a Line Delivery Path (2-L). Centrifugal Force will set in when the Clubhead crosses to the outside and it will begin to pull into its own orbit. Then further acceleration will only cause uncontrolled "Hitting," guaranteeing Clubhead Throwaway.

Develop an "Instant Acceleration" Hip Action (to the desired Handspeed per 10-15-B so that the Throw Out Action (6-B-3) can immediately set up the Rhythm and take over the rest of the Downstroke Sequence.

So the nature of Acceleration is VITAL to the sucess and distinction of the two procedures. The Swinger reaches his max handspeed quickly and then holds it constant. HE MUST NOT TRY TO ACCELERATE HIS HANDS FURTHER!!! On the other hand the Hitter MUST CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE otherwise he will fizzle out pre-maturely. The Hitter is sole dependent on ACCELERATION because he doesn't have CF to help him out.
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This is my next investigation as to my wobbles:
The Swinger and the Hitter can use the true Geometric Plane Line which is a On-Line parallel slide to the Plane Line. The Swinger can also use the Arc of Approach procedure and as a result the Hip Motion is more of a Turn than a Slide thus being in compliance with the Curved line of the Arc of Approach Deliver Line.

When I slide is it parallel to the Plane Line? I will have to dope that out!

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innercityteacher

10-31-2012 12:34 PM

More input

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12 Piece's Response and I'm in danger of being confused:

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I would like to agree with you, but I can't. Just because Yoda traces a straight plane line, doesn't mean that his hip's slide parallel to the Plane line. The delivery path waggle that Yoda demonstrated in the original Jeff Hull Acquired Motion video was far smoother than Jeff Hull's hip thrust, but it still resulted in a far more open hip position at impact, than Ted's model. If you look at Jeff Hull and Ted Fort at impact fix in Part 1 of the Lynn Blake/Ted Fort/Jeff Hull video, you will see a clear demonstration of how much more open Jeff Hull is at impact fix, compared to Ted Fort. I am willing to bet that Yoda at impact fix looks like Jeff at impact fix, not like Ted.
I PROMISE you that if Lynn Blake is tracing the Geometric Plane Line (not the Angle of Approach or Arc of Approach) his Startdown Hip Motion IS PARALLEL to the Plane Line.

You are correct that the Fix Alignments are different with regards to the Hips for Jeff vs. Ted. You will also note in the video that Jeff is using the Arc of Approach Procedure (watching the curved blur of the clubhead) as a result of the Parallel Pivot (parallel to the delivery line), his Hip Motion is more of a TURN or ROTARY. Ted on the other hand is using the pivot as a backstop. He also uses the Angle of Approach which is a cross line slide not a turn. As a result his hips will probably look "less" open at fix and impact.

Per 7-12 . . .

ALL motion – Pivot and Power Package – moves parallel to the selected Delivery Line. That is, prior to the Downstroke Turn, a Slide parallel with either the Angle of Approach or the Plane line per 2-J-3.

So at Impact Yoda could look more like Jeff because he traces the straight plane line and not the angle of approach. His hips slide is On Line not Cross Line and would like produce hips that are "more open."
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So, I can go cross plane or parallel plane as a Swinger using the Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach. This is why Hogan bent his plane line, I think. :read:

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innercityteacher

11-01-2012 01:15 PM

Sweet Spot on Plane? Brilliant!

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 94088)

12 Piece's Response and I'm in danger of being confused:

So, I can go cross plane or parallel plane as a Swinger using the Right Fore Arm Angle of Approach. This is why Hogan bent his plane line, I think. :read:

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So how does a swinger get to hit the ball better, farther, where desired more often?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=72058&highlight=club+speed#post72 058

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2-K GENERATION OF ANGULAR MOTION Angular Motion is the result of at least two divergent forces. Such as, -A. Centripetal Force (the Lever Assemblies 6-A) diverting Linear Force (Right Arm Thrust 6-B-1) into a rotating motion (Hitting 10-19-A). Or – B. Turning its axis (the Body 2-M-4) to spin a flywheel – the Lever Assemblies (Swinging 10-19-C).

Rotation induces a Throw-Out action, pulling the centers of gravity of every movable component, In-Line and On Plane with its axis or center, whether or not they were originally In-Line or On Plane. With a short radius it can accelerate easily, and quickly acquire considerable Angular Velocity. If a portion of this mass moves to a longer radius, the slowing effect (6-C-2-B) must be computed on the basis of the total mass AS LONG AS THE PORTION IS BEING PROPELLED BY THE TOTAL. That is – the slowdown would be in the same ratio that the portion has to the whole – the original central mass. This “Transfer of Momentum” process (10-19-C) eliminates Release Deceleration (6-F-0) but not Impact Deceleration (2-M-1). This Throw-Out action is termed herein as “Centrifugal Acceleration” to indicate that Centrifugal Force (Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Golf Club) into Impact. So Swingers are totally dependent on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not. But study 4-D, 6-B-3-0, 6-R-0 and 7-2.

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Most of the above concerns "Transfer of Momentum". HK isolates T-O-M from ones "ability to manipulate CF" in order to conceptualize the effects of T-O-M. But T-O-M isn't your primary problem but it is a part of the answer to your question.

Another part of the answer is the proper manipulation of CF.

When you swing the 1/2 shaft (no clubhead?), the Sweet-spot Plane and Swing Plane are one and the same but when you put a club in your hands, they aren't. In your case (like most everyone) the Sweet-spot Plane of your Club, during the Downstroke, is not on the Swing-plane. So, you are pushing or pulling the Clubshaft and not the Sweet-spot, therefore, CF is being avoided and Clubhead speed is mostly a factor of your muscular effort or ability in applying it.

If you want to be a "Closet Hitter", then no problem. Simply learn to use your right triceps muscle. But if you would prefer to remain a swinger, then you'll need to get the Sweet-spot on-plane and allow CF to have its effect.

I'm assuming that you understand the Sweet-spot Plane and how to manipulate it onto the Swing-plane before release. If not, then say so and I'll give you a timely, albeit vapid response (but with pictures ).

More research and range balls needed!

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innercityteacher

11-01-2012 01:25 PM

Sheesh this is complicated!

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So how does a swinger get to hit the ball better, farther, where desired more often?

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=72058&highlight=club+speed#post72 058

More research and range balls needed!

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OK, now we have got some real work to do!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=club+speed

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Single Wrist Action promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Primary Lever and Standard Wrist Action (Swivel) promotes Loading the #3 PP against the Secondary Lever.

For Swingers, the Start-up Swivels 1/4 Turn Rotation is a simplified approach and promotes the #3 PP Load against the Secondary Lever for any Length Stroke going past Start-up. "Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action" does not mean that the Rotation occurred at the "Top".

The difference between "Top" and "End" is related to Wrist Action. With 10-18-C, Single Wrist Action, moving from Top to End would re-align the Right Forearm (1/4 Turn) and therefore re-locate the Right Elbow (1/4 Turn) with the result that the Secondary Lever would Load against the #3 PP. So, we can Swivel at Start-up or Swivel merely by moving the Backstroke from "Top" to "End". Note that each of the three procedures in 10-18-C stop the Backstroke at "Top".

The Important difference between Loading the #3 PP against the Primary or Secondary Lever is the "Subsequent Right Arm Participation". 7-3

So, the "Top" for a Hitter is an Alignment rather than a Location.

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10-11-0-3 PRESSURE POINT #3 (above) can be either active or passive (6-C-2-A) Accumulator #1 indirect drive (7-11) of the Secondary Lever Assembly (6-A-3) (2-K). That is, actively as Accumulator #2 Axe Handle application for Hitting (10-3-K, 10-19-A) but passively as Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-0, 10-19-C) or with a Right Arm Swing (7-19). Lag Loading (10-19) and Delivery Line (2-J-3) requirements. It is Loaded (10-22) per 7-19 as required by Component 19 application being employed (10-19). Study 2-G and 6-C.

Remember, with Swinging, Pressure Point #3 must have a Feel of being rotated a quarter turn at The Top with Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A), just and only because of Loading Action direction – no actual movement of anything. So from The Top to Release, the Loading put the top side of the Clubshaft against the first knuckle of the forefinger. But with Hitting there must be NO change whatever.

When the Wrists “Swivel” back to the Vertical Position (4-C-3) during Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A) per 6-B-3. Pressure Point #3 may – but need not – return to its “strong” position (Aft side of the Clubshaft). That is – if left in “Top-of-the-Clubshaft” position it becomes a Weak Single Action Grip (10-2-A) and the interchangeable equivalent to 10-2-C for Swingers. But both are improper for Hitters using Single Wrist Action (10-18-C).
You can't fake this stuff. One can artificially Load the #3 PP but the Alignments aren't present to determine the Motion of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. Then there's EA. Without EA, it's like watching a girl throw a baseball (or O.B Left). Once the #3 PP is Loaded, you need EA to keep the Elbow aligned(Power Package) and guide it down the Proper Path.

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innercityteacher

11-01-2012 01:29 PM

Ohhhhh!

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OK, now we have got some real work to do!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...ght=club+speed

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Much better here!

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It may not be difficult for everyone, but for me, it was a stroke of luck that I learned how not to Cock the Right Wrist during the Swing.

I was hitting hundreds and hundreds of chip shots per night for weeks, a bunch of winters ago. My trajectory control was not good. I tried swinging with only the right arm but my wrist was too flimsy. So, I used an Ace Bandage and wrapped my wrist (and the club) in the Bent Right Wrist condition. Problem solved.

I graduated to using the Ace Bandage with a Bent spoon to stiffen the Right Wrist even more. Eventually I bought a Gary Wiren "the key" for my Right Wrist. For the first time in my life I could feel the "Right Forearm Flying Wedge". Now, those words had meaning.

To make a long story short, I learned that my Right Wrist was Cocking because of the way I was Swinging. Restraining my Bent Right Wrist forced me to use the Right Forearm Take-Away and assemble the Wedges Immediately at Start-up. It also stopped my over-swinging at the Top of the Backstroke.

All of those learned Alignments (mechanics) have since turned into "feel". I still use it once a month to check myself and I consider it the best training tool I ever bought. Today, when I direct my #3 Pressure Point along the Plane Line or at the Inside Aft Quadrant of the Ball, then that's exactly where my Club Head is going.
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innercityteacher

11-01-2012 03:10 PM

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2486-2.html

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In the photos of 10-2-B you can see quite clearly a gap between the thumb and 1st finger. This is how you can have the left thumb aft and the wrist truely flat against the vertical plane your hinge action requires.... or at least closer to it....

I'll have a look at the book at the weak single action grip later on to answer as im not so familiar with the specific variation... how I wish I had Yoda's capacity for remembering everything...

Response by Daryl in that same thread:

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Mathew,

Let me correct myself in saying that Traditional Teaching methods want the forefinger and thumb to pinch together ala Ben Hogan. I must agree with you in observing the photos that there is a space between the forefinger and left thumb. I thought perhaps that this was an oversight. However the photos also illustrate that there is a difference in the abount of left hand turn between a weak left hand and strong left hand.

If a space is allowed between the forefinger and thumb on the left hand in a weak single action grip, then how does one resolve the "seems like a problem" left thumb not seating perfect with the grip(ie. thumb pad not in complete contact with the grip). If I turn my left hand like the photo of the strong single action the thumb seats fine. Does it matter?
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Firstly thank you for your praise .

My procedure for aquired and total motion is a swinging procedure - 10-2-B Grip, Horizontal Hinging. The swinging procedure nessesitates a sequenced release per law of the flail in 2-K. My Basic Motion however is a push basic hitting stroke with angled Hinging.

I have played around with the hitting procedure with some success but in retrospect, at the time I did, my knowledge was lacking.
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What I have gleaned from this with Daryl's help (and shown to me by Lynn) is that my grip has to be very careful and deliberate with my right hand very underneath in feeling and a bit above my left thumb. At the time Lynn showed me It was so odd it just scrambled my brain and it took me forever to grasp it. I have not grasped it yet and am trying to work back to it. When I exaggerate my right wrist bend, I hit the ball very well, with the shortest, most powerful feeling Pivot since being with Lynn and that will be where I try to re-assemble a better swing this Winter and early Spring.

Sorry for the confusion, I am learning and applying...

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innercityteacher

11-02-2012 12:32 PM

The correct grip forming the true Right Forearm Angle of Approach seems to set my club on plane but higher or closer to my shoulder with the # 3 PP on the Sweet Spot Plane so there is less deflection of the club face at impact. As a result, the club face thrust penetrates the ball at the inner quadrant resulting in a more penetrating flight. My Pivot seems more powerful and shorter with the club face sliding quickly down plane to impact. It seems as if I actually Pivot "through" the ball. My shorter left leg seems to require a more open face of the Horizontal Hinge so I can strike the ball with full power producing a straight shot or a slight draw. Very satisfying! Thanks Daryl and LBG!

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innercityteacher

11-02-2012 02:36 PM

Not quite as Daryl described to me but a very helpful article for me in envisioning the importance of grips in alignment issues:

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/grip.htm

Enjoy!

I am not skilled enough yet to judge the merit of these observations. I include them simply as a new way to think of TGM with detailed pictures. I am not advocating these observations, just enjoying their presentation as something to consider.

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