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tim chapman 12-28-2010 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80474)
So that will be my regular window. The most helpful "full -swing " videos for me are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVx6DPCIhd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqNlE...eature=related


With your scrambling abilities, and these insights from Lynn, you are likely to have Jerry's problem and be over the green for awhile.
:)

ICT

thanks..... left wrist uncocking DOWN.... delivery line ROLL.... finish swivel....... i agree they look like good places to work
the snow is clearing & we get to play tomorrow http://www.westonsupermaregolfclub.com/hole.php?hole=1
so i'll try & make a par or two for you snow-bound guys

JerryG 12-28-2010 11:29 AM

Thanks for sharing the views of your course, Tim. It looks like a wonderful place to play every possible day.
Trees don't belong on a golf course.

tim chapman 12-28-2010 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 80513)
Thanks for sharing the views of your course, Tim. It looks like a wonderful place to play every possible day.
Trees don't belong on a golf course.

Hi Jerry,
actually that course is a local one where 20 of us are going for a holiday day out tomorrow. It is a course i like though with some good holes.
My home track is
http://www.mendipgolfclub.com/course.html
it is an upland course with small greens, that can play quite fast & linksy during the summer - one or two weak holes but probably the 2nd best course in the locality - the photos don't quite do it justice
the best course in the area is a good links course, no tress but plenty of wind :-)
http://www.burnhamandberrowgolfclub....p#championship
if you ever find yourself in the UK we'll go play it :-)

where do you guys play ?

JerryG 12-28-2010 02:47 PM

Both courses look wonderful.
I play several in this area. Possibly my favorite two are
<htp://www.oakglengolf.com/tourcourse.htm> and <http://www.tannersbrook.com/golf/proto/tannersbook/course/course.htm> I hope these web sites translate.
If you ever get here, we'll play them. City has experienced Oak Glen, but not the other. Maybe on his next trip.

tim chapman 12-28-2010 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 80523)
Both courses look wonderful.
I play several in this area. Possibly my favorite two are
<htp://www.oakglengolf.com/tourcourse.htm> and <http://www.tannersbrook.com/golf/proto/tannersbook/course/course.htm> I hope these web sites translate.
If you ever get here, we'll play them. City has experienced Oak Glen, but not the other. Maybe on his next trip.

righto - sounds good - i'd better get that swing sorted out for the back tees at Tannersbrook ! :-)

tim chapman 12-29-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80463)
Where do you men struggle and loose strokes?

ICT

apologies up front for the blow by blow account but i gave TGM my first real workout today & wanted to record the result...
I played a hitting action producing a small cut
6000yd par 70 cold but light winds
12/13 fairways with ok distance 220-260 (gotta be pleased enough with that)
9/18 greens (a tad disappointing)
29 putts (anything under 30 putts floats my boat)
3 birdies & 5 bogeys for 2 over 72 (happy with the score)
i hit 5 or 6 good shots (one 280yd drive when i got the club properly back on plane in the follow through) & 2 bad ones...... my challenge was the club not getting left enough quick enough & not back on plane ie a bit of a steer i guess, but the ok shots were playable & i felt like i knew what i was trying to do which is a nice start & a difference
if i can get todays good shots as a norm i might be in business :-)

innercityteacher 12-29-2010 07:12 PM

Tim, you are a beast!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 80581)
apologies up front for the blow by blow account but i gave TGM my first real workout today & wanted to record the result...
I played a hitting action producing a small cut
6000yd par 70 cold but light winds
12/13 fairways with ok distance 220-260 (gotta be pleased enough with that)
9/18 greens (a tad disappointing)
29 putts (anything under 30 putts floats my boat)
3 birdies & 5 bogeys for 2 over 72 (happy with the score)
i hit 5 or 6 good shots (one 280yd drive when i got the club properly back on plane in the follow through) & 2 bad ones...... my challenge was the club not getting left enough quick enough & not back on plane ie a bit of a steer i guess, but the ok shots were playable & i felt like i knew what i was trying to do which is a nice start & a difference
if i can get todays good shots as a norm i might be in business :-)

Tim, can you explain the "left enough?" How was your chipping?


ICT

chipingguru 12-29-2010 07:30 PM

I was looking at Olazabal down the line today, and what textbook release action. Downswing butt end of club pointing on plane perfect, then the roll and release, head back. Clubface dead perfect at impact. Gorgeous.

tim chapman 12-30-2010 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80594)
Tim, can you explain the "left enough?" How was your chipping?


ICT

The club seemed nicely inside & on plane in the backstroke (concentrated on RFT) but too steep & not inside enough on the throughstroke. That is probably a steer ? i suspect i need to work on release, roll & swivel ?

I'm inclined towards being too cautious (great for steering i suspect) so any thoughts on freeing up a bit would be appreciated.

chipping was ok 4/8 saves from around the green concentrated on lagging, tracing & hinging, most of the chipping & pitching was more crisp than previously.

The good thing about the chipping & all the shots actually was that i maintained some lag (for the first time ever). It was quite noticable to see the others in my group flipping their hands & the clubhead at the ball, in an attempt to make the clubhead move faster (something i used to do).

LynnBlakeGolf has brought new information into my game - thankyou all :-)


out walking the dog this morning i hit a few shots. i was trying to apply roll as more of a flat left hand action yesterday & i see now it is a wrist & forearm motion which is much more structured & easier to apply

also very interested in the thought that was posted about Hogan getting flatter & his wallet getting fatter, it seems easier to get left in the follow through when i concentrate on getting flatter

tim chapman 12-30-2010 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipingguru (Post 80595)
I was looking at Olazabal down the line today, and what textbook release action. Downswing butt end of club pointing on plane perfect, then the roll and release, head back. Clubface dead perfect at impact. Gorgeous.

i'll check him out, thanks - known as a great iron player but a comparatively poor driver, was it an iron swing or driver ? perhaps you would post the link ?

JerryG 12-30-2010 11:34 AM

Elsewhere here, Daryl reminded us of the importance of the Flying Wedges. I think as you (and I) work on things we should pay special attention to PP#1 and its effecto on maintaining the right side FW.
I am finding the left side FW maintains nicely as long as that pp#1 is applying pressure into the left thumb/shaft.
I get so disappointed if I find myself flipping.
Good luck Tim. Ain't this place grand?

tim chapman 12-30-2010 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 80625)
Elsewhere here, Daryl reminded us of the importance of the Flying Wedges. I think as you (and I) work on things we should pay special attention to PP#1 and its effecto on maintaining the right side FW.
I am finding the left side FW maintains nicely as long as that pp#1 is applying pressure into the left thumb/shaft.
I get so disappointed if I find myself flipping.
Good luck Tim. Ain't this place grand?

yes Jerry i'm sure you are right, my flying wedges knowledge is a bit hazy now you mention it, think i'll have a crack at confirming what i know about them tonight.

so much good information on here - LBG is the best

innercityteacher 12-30-2010 10:06 PM

I feel like I ran a marathon!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tim chapman (Post 80613)
i'll check him out, thanks - known as a great iron player but a comparatively poor driver, was it an iron swing or driver ? perhaps you would post the link ?

The Mchatton stuff got here today. I tried all the drills. I'm exhausted. :(

Man, no wonder I can't hit the ball very far. I have no Pivot. I have been trying to do everything with a well-timed arm swing or arm generated something.

I went to the indoor range and Gregg shows you good drills not using the hands and arms. I hit for an hour taking my hands and arms out of it as best I could. My muscles hurt everywhere!

The Golf Machine makes it so easy to diagnose mistakes. But changing years of a bad swing motion takes real work!

I did do a couple things well. Upon making a full Pivot, with very quiet arms and hands, I (thought of Lynn) planted and drove my right shoulder down and cracked a couple of 220 yard carry drives with a real crack that got some favorable noises from the group waiting. My shoulder never felt so powerful.

Uhmmm let me tell you the drills Lynn teaches that Mr. McHatton does with different names: DRAG THE MOP, SPIN THE FLYWHEEL. There are others but Lynn's ability to take the Swing apart into its component parts, "Vertically un-cocking Left Wrist, Are you Prepared to Roll on that line, The Finishing Swivel, means that all the stuff that a teacher leaves unsaid in order to simplify the presentation is stuff we can know and understand. (I'm not criticizing Mr. Mchatton. As a teacher I understand that lesson plans must be selective to be effective)

I think I lost 10 lbs of water weight! :confused1

ICT

Daryl 12-30-2010 11:01 PM

"Houston, we have a problem."

If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed.

I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga".

innercityteacher 12-30-2010 11:41 PM

I am not used to sinking so far into my artificial hip, Daryl.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80668)
"Houston, we have a problem."

If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed.

I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga".

And I think the experimentation with different angles and not using my arms is making me rebalance and not do the normal stuff.

Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.

Is he Hitting after he starts to slide? Ok, I got it. Pushing off your right leg is like popping in your right knee and it gives you tilt and power.

I realize now why the straight line avoidance is important.

ICT

Daryl 12-30-2010 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80672)
Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.

ICT

Ya know, you could let the Power Package carry some of the Load.

How does the Hip Turn create Power? Speed? Distance? What are you looking for?

Weight Shift? How do the Hips "Propel" the Right Shoulder?

Does that come from the Right or Left Hip?

What About Knee Action?

Let me ask you an easy question:

If your Right Shoulder is On-Plane at the Top, How much Hip Slide do you need to get it On-Plane?

How much Hip Slide do you need to keep it on Plane during the Downstroke? What is forcing it Off-Plane?

If you don't have Pivot Lag set up by the time you reach Top, then you need to create it on the way down.

Do you leave your hands at the Top during Start-Down?

innercityteacher 12-31-2010 02:17 AM

Learning as we go.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80668)
"Houston, we have a problem."

If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed.

I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga".

And I think the experimentation with different angles and not using my arms is making me rebalance and not do the normal stuff.

Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another.

Ok, Gregg has a straight line drill where he pushes a golf cart up the hill with the back leg drive against the cart. Full Hip turn, dead hands and arms, right leg/ back leg drive and tilt.

I don't think I understand the McDonald exercises. I thought the same side leg pushes that hip back. Either way, marching Pivot or back leg drive, it is a very powerful, simple Swing! Oh, I just saw it in the mirror. Pivot back carries the dead arms and hands up and back leg drive gives tilt and powerful inside attack of the ball with lots more body support of club.



ICT

Daryl 12-31-2010 06:39 AM

Hi ICT,

You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult.

My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much.

I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg.

The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door.

If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action".

How is your Posture? Are you bending enough?

All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym.

Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix.

tim chapman 12-31-2010 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80665)
Man, no wonder I can't hit the ball very far. I have no Pivot. I have been trying to do everything with a well-timed arm swing or arm generated something.

ICT


that GM big time pivot & swingers motion caught my attention a month or so ago too, it does feel like there is extra power in there

Q is it pivot controlled hands ?

also check out

http://www.youtube.com/user/PureBall...45/LOLZuJ7WFRw

hear the compression & these are apparently 165yd 8i with a hitting action ...unless i'm way off track :-)... & no big time pivot action... Jeff does look like he might not look out of place as a no8 forward though to be fair, which might help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CiWQ...eature=related

if we swing rather than hit will we have more distance ? I guess it depends, but it is a Q i have come back to a couple times & one i have heard voiced a few times

innercityteacher 12-31-2010 12:15 PM

Daryl, this will take me a few days.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80674)
Ya know, you could let the Power Package carry some of the Load.

How does the Hip Turn create Power? Speed? Distance? What are you looking for?

Weight Shift? How do the Hips "Propel" the Right Shoulder?

Does that come from the Right or Left Hip?

What About Knee Action?

Let me ask you an easy question:

If your Right Shoulder is On-Plane at the Top, How much Hip Slide do you need to get it On-Plane?

How much Hip Slide do you need to keep it on Plane during the Downstroke? What is forcing it Off-Plane?

If you don't have Pivot Lag set up by the time you reach Top, then you need to create it on the way down.

Do you leave your hands at the Top during Start-Down?

I like the easy questions. :)

We need a TGM coloring book. Would you be the illustrator? Remember the Jack's cartoon book and Gary Player's cartoon book?

What I have comprehended via Mr. McHatton's videos is that the hips start and power the Swing (or a more effective version of the Swing). So I'm looking to have a more powerful, more repeatable swing. :eyes:

Several of the compensations and power drains ( maybe all of them) according to GM, come from the use of the arms and hands (he is a Swing teacher not a Hitmeister).

Apparently, if the hips drive the Swing (and if we can increase their speed from 2 mph to 2.5 mph) then the other components (esp. if we let them hang loosely) will tear through the air and allow me to become a better golfer.

I'm in favor of that.

I am enjoying the DVD's esp. since Lynn's DVD's are not out yet and I gave my Alignment I DVD's to my Dad. I leave my hands at the top, my arms, my brain, my dogs, they are all left to LAG forever.

I'm using my hips as slowly and powerfully as I can. My hips are off line since one is artificial and one leg is yada yada.

I think what your saying and GM, Lynn, TGM et al, is saying is that the simple act of stepping forward makes the hips slide.

I have to go push the golf cart up the hill with my right leg while keeping my left hip in it's ceramic socket. At last, an exercise program for non-athletes who golf.

:golfcart:

ICT

innercityteacher 01-02-2011 11:22 PM

10-6-d
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80687)
Hi ICT,

You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult.

My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much.

I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg.

The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door.

If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action".

How is your Posture? Are you bending enough?

All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym.

Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix.


I wanna be like Jack N. when I get older, like in March 2011. (Lynn can show me the details and some Hitting stuff, too, in April, but I'm going to concentrate on the Turning Shoulder Plane for now.)

Why?

"The basic 'Turning Shoulder Procedure' -"A." below-has been undoubtedly the most widely used Basic Plane. The player who takes the club head 'straight back from the ball' is using this Plane Angle. The club head is also brought "straight down through the ball' for Impact....It is extremely effective and dynamically correct..."

I want to be extremely effective and dynamically correct.

Is this a TSP Swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4EN5bc3yg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQvg-ybNFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsX68WZmnC8

What about this swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MexhOFe6CtQ

So, let's forget what these men call their swings. For our purposes, are these TSP swings, or something else? I want my hands and arms to be passive and thrown by my hips straight back on Plane and the DOWN through the ball. In this case my hands will be educated to relax and enjoy the feeling of the power of my Pivot and of the # 3 PP loading and discharging through the ball. Notice in the last Swing how high Mr. Lee's hands are at Address. (1.42 in the tape)

These folks are not the teacher that Yoda is. Because of his teaching, and because of Mr.Kelly, I am able to understand why some things work in golf and some things do not. Pro golfers may not know how they do what they do but we can and try to copy some of it based on our body type and abilities.



:)

ICT

Daryl 01-03-2011 12:13 AM

None of the above swings use the TSP.

Let me give you some advice. The Clubshaft defines the Plane Angle. We all know that; no big deal. But the Right Forearm Wedge alignment determines which Plane Angle you're going to use. You can Align it to the TSP, Elbow or whatever Plane you want. You don't know how to align the Right Forearm Wedge. Until you do, you will probably swing on the Elbow Plane.

Aligning the Right Forearm Wedge is easy to Teach and easy to Learn. It's aligned at Impact Fix and then re-established during Start-up. If you don't re-establish the Alignment during Start-up, then you'll end up on the Elbow Plane. No matter how much you try, you won't Swing on the TSP with the Right Forearm Wedge Aligned to it. I don't Care how hard you try to aim the #3 PP and go straight for the Plane Line, it isn't going to happen.

I don't know how to find the Alignment at the Top. If I don't get it during Start-up, I quit the Swing and go again. It's easy to get and Keep so that doesn't happen (on the range sometimes when my focus is elsewhere).

I can show you the Alignments in one minute but I can't put them into words. I can't put the Horizontal Hinge into words and I've tried that a number of times too.

Can you find the Alignments in the Book? I don't think so. But for starters, go to Impact Fix on the Elbow Plane. Look, Look, Look. Then move the Right Forearm Wedge to the TSP, Ahhh, the Wedge is turned much more. That changes everything.

Yoda 01-03-2011 12:26 AM

Eyes of the Beholder
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80836)

What about this swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MexhOFe6CtQ

So, let's forget what these men call their swings. For our purposes, are these TSP swings, or something else? I want my hands and arms to be passive and thrown by my hips straight back on Plane and the DOWN through the ball. In this case my hands will be educated to relax and enjoy the feeling of the power of my Pivot and of the # 3 PP loading and discharging through the ball. Notice in the last Swing how high Mr. Lee's hands are at Address. (1.42 in the tape)

No, they are not TSP swings, but let's leave that for now. We need a reality check so that you may profit from this video.

I am shocked at the analysis on the Lee Gravity Swing:

At 1.35:

". . . a complete absence of applied force from the upper body. The arms simply fall into the downswing . . ."

Then, continuing at 1:42:

"A gentle pivot of the leading hip . . . during delivery."

:shock:

How 'bout this instead:

"A strong, upper body thrust with its driving right arm hitting action . . ."

"Led by an exaggerated pivot and a needless expenditure of energy."

Hey, it's okay to see it different!

:laughing9

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 12:28 AM

Is there a famous golfer who did?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80848)
None of the above swings use the TSP.

And all I can say is "Wow!" I must've really misunderstood that section of TGM. That has happened before, though.

Thanks!
ICT

Daryl 01-03-2011 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80850)
No, they are not TSP swings, but let's leave that for now. We need a reality check so that you may profit from this video.

I am shocked at the analysis on the Lee Gravity Swing:

At 1.35:

". . . a complete absence of applied force from the upper body. The arms simply fall into the downswing . . ."

Then, continuing at 1:42:

"A gentle pivot of the leading hip . . . during delivery."

:shock:

How 'bout this instead:

"A strong, upper body thrust with its driving right arm hitting action . . ."

"Led by an exaggerated pivot and a needless expenditure of energy."

Hey, it's okay to see it different!

:laughing9

This is what you're up against in Florida. My advice is to say your stuff, exit right, and then just be nice. Smile. :)

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 01:39 AM

So I'm looking at the picture of the girl in the book...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80848)
None of the above swings use the TSP.

Let me give you some advice. The Clubshaft defines the Plane Angle. We all know that; no big deal. But the Right Forearm Wedge alignment determines which Plane Angle you're going to use. You can Align it to the TSP, Elbow or whatever Plane you want. You don't know how to align the Right Forearm Wedge. Until you do, you will probably swing on the Elbow Plane.

Aligning the Right Forearm Wedge is easy to Teach and easy to Learn. It's aligned at Impact Fix and then re-established during Start-up. If you don't re-establish the Alignment during Start-up, then you'll end up on the Elbow Plane. No matter how much you try, you won't Swing on the TSP with the Right Forearm Wedge Aligned to it. I don't Care how hard you try to aim the #3 PP and go straight for the Plane Line, it isn't going to happen.

I don't know how to find the Alignment at the Top. If I don't get it during Start-up, I quit the Swing and go again. It's easy to get and Keep so that doesn't happen (on the range sometimes when my focus is elsewhere).

I can show you the Alignments in one minute but I can't put them into words. I can't put the Horizontal Hinge into words and I've tried that a number of times too.

Can you find the Alignments in the Book? I don't think so. But for starters, go to Impact Fix on the Elbow Plane. Look, Look, Look. Then move the Right Forearm Wedge to the TSP, Ahhh, the Wedge is turned much more. That changes everything.

((7th edition pp.156-158 ) was that Mrs. HK BTW) and I see her hands up really high near her ears and when I compare her hands to Watson, Nicklaus, Love III, and Miller, they all look closely like her hand position.

If I extend my RFW fully, and use RFT, my wedges feel close to my ears. I think that's what your saying, Daryl, right? Are you and Lynn saying you can't give me a TSP pro example?

Are Nicklaus and those guys "Squared Shouldered?" That's almost the same thing, right?

I think that Hogan, Moe Norman, Fowler and other guys that look like that are Elbow Plane guys, because the club flies around at Elbow level.

I have a feeling that I'm really misunderstanding the pictures and the text which is ok because I'm in the right website. :)

I would like to not feel like such a huge moron though, in this simple identification of the TSP from the book and tapes. I think it's too late for that though. :sad2:


I'm right to like the TSP, though? :confused1


ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 01:42 AM

Lynn, do you think this guy knows how wrongly he is stating his stuff?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80850)
No, they are not TSP swings, but let's leave that for now. We need a reality check so that you may profit from this video.

I am shocked at the analysis on the Lee Gravity Swing:

At 1.35:

". . . a complete absence of applied force from the upper body. The arms simply fall into the downswing . . ."

Then, continuing at 1:42:

"A gentle pivot of the leading hip . . . during delivery."

:shock:

How 'bout this instead:

"A strong, upper body thrust with its driving right arm hitting action . . ."

"Led by an exaggerated pivot and a needless expenditure of energy."

Hey, it's okay to see it different!

:laughing9

Is this a case of simply not knowing how to describe what he does or is this his way of presenting a "story" to sell product like Col. Sanders 12 herbs and spices?

Where is 12PB when you heed him?
:)

ICT

Daryl 01-03-2011 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80859)
If I extend my RFW fully, and use RFT, my wedges feel close to my ears. I think that's what your saying, Daryl, right? Are you and Lynn saying you can't give me a TSP pro example?


ICT

No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.

BerntR 01-03-2011 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 80850)
I am shocked at the analysis on the Lee Gravity Swing:

Yes,

He mentions Jack Nicklaus as a gravity golfer. Somehow I don't think Jack had time to wait for gravity to move the club ;-)

Seeing videos of Jack Nicklaus from his haydays doesn't exactly connotate with effortless power. Power - certainly. But also a lot of effort.

The "gravity stroke" on the video actually reminds me of Jason Zuback's. I guess gravity can get you easily past the 400 yards mark - as long as you back it up with Zuback's strength and explosivity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9eKh_VW0gg

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 11:27 AM

Thanks Lynn, Daryl, Bernt!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80864)
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.


Thanks for the information and good humor. I love the Nicklaus/Zuback stuff and I see the Lee charade now that my eyes have been open.

Daryl, I will do my curtain rods later to see your point. Thanks.

Believing you all to be correct, as I do, brings some other questions to mind.

Phil is a better golfer than I am. Having said that, is his flakiness attributable more to his brain or his use of TSP? Never has a man thrown away so much talent and money so easily and willingly, imho. :crybaby:

One more theoretical question. Let's suppose I invent a better marketing program for a golf system. I'm going to call it the "Magnetic GOLF!" Let's suppose in the legal fine print I say "The BEST GOLF Swing IS most aptly taught by Homer Kelly and Lynn Blake Golf. I am merely providing a short cut to get you golfing in 4 weeks and to help you shoot sub-90 scores most of the time. If you really want to be a golfing stud, go to Lynn Blake Golf and get a clue."


MAGNETIC GOLF- GIVEN THE METAL/FIBERGLASS CONTENT OF MOST GOLF CLUBS AND YOUR NATURAL ELECTRICAL AURA, YOU TOO CAN LEARN HOW TO HIT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE GOLF SHOTS IN LESS THAN 4 WEEKS!!! BY LEARNING THE SECRET MAGNETIC HANDSHAKE, AND THE MAGNETIC GOLF SLING, YOUR GOLF WILL REACH A NEW LEVEL! UNLOCK THE POWER OF YOUR HIPS AND PASSIVE ARMS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE ANCIENT TECHNIQUES OF THOSE FIRST GOLFERS WHO WERE IN HARMONY WITH NATURE AND THE MAGNETIC CORE OF THE EARTH. ENJOY MAGNETIC GOLF Today !


Let's say that many of the hippies in MN, Iowa, and Wisconsin, not to mention Philadelphia and Detroit, decide to embrace "The Cosmic Golf Series" Featuring "The Magnetic Swing." Drug abuse and stress goes down. People take more showers and live longer as they walk the course with their Environment Bags (recyclable). And I make a few million dollars of which 50% goes to Hatian refugees. Is that a bad thing?


I think that's what a lot of guys are doing on You Tube and around the world. it's taken me less than a year to really figure out North and golfing South. How can these other guys with responsible positions in the golfing world not know?

If I could effectively teach CPR, without discussing a single major organ, and had people everywhere saving lives with the ummm "Bosom Low Separation Hand Compression,"Wouldn't I be morally compelled to do so as long as I clearly indicated that my goal was to create a simple, effective system?

I think Lynn should announce the magnetic golf system at the golf show for 5 minutes and see who gets it. He should announce that he will ask Trackman to start working on taking magnetic swing readings. Brian Manzella would be the first one to endorse it. :)

ICT

KevCarter 01-03-2011 11:38 AM

Patrick,

I really enjoy studying different teachers. As you know, I think we can learn from everybody. That is especially important for teachers as we will get questions on many different theories. We need to separate what we learn from others for our teaching, from the way we go at playing our own game.

While nobody is wrong, their ideas may not mesh with the foundation you are learning here. Don't fall in love with any theories outside of TGM until you work with Lynn in April. Lynn has studied EVERYTHING, and he will teach you Patrick's Method. It will be tailor made, and what you need to work on in your own swing forever. I've seen it, no two people are taught the same thing by Lynn. It's amazing.

Stay the course my friend. Go ahead and study others, but go into Cuscowilla with an open mind knowing that you will leave with the information you need for you and you alone.

To prepare, keep studying the basic foundation of TGM. The Essentials, the Imperatives, 1-L The Machine. Study wrist positions and as our friend Dodger recommends:

7-3
4-D-0
4-D-1
6-B-3-0-1


THE G.O.L.F. SWING IS:
1) THE HINGE ACTION = Clubface Control – 2G
2) Of an ANGULAR MOTION = Club head Control – 2K
3) On an INCLINED PLANE = Club shaft Control – 2F

THE THREE ESSENTIALS ARE:
1) A Stationary Head
2) Balance
3) Rhythm

THE THREE IMPERATIVES ARE:
1) A “Flat” Left Wrist
2) A Club head Lag Pressure Point
3) A Straight Plane Line

THE MACHINE CONTROLS THREE FUNCTIONS
1) The Inclined Plane is CLUBSHAFT Control – See 2-F and 4-0
2) The Pressure Points are CLUBHEAD Control – See 2-K and 4-0
3) The Left Wrist is CLUBFACE Control – See 2-G and 4-0

THE THREE STATIONS OF THE MACHINE
1) ADDRESS - be as prepared as possible
2) THE TOP - be as precise as possible
3) THE FINISH - be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

THE STAR SYSTEM TRIAD
1) ·The THREE IMPERATIVES (2-0)
2) ·Controlling the THREE FUNCTIONS (1-L-A/B/C)
3) ·Through the THREE STATIONS (12-3)

THREE ZONES
1) BODY CONTROL Pivot Body Balance
2) CLUB CONTROL Power Arms Force
3) BALL CONTROL Purpose Hands Direction

Focus on the MACDONALD DRILLS.
Since you and I worked together last summer, I have learned that everything you need for your weight transfer and hip motion is in those drills!

The more you KNOW the basics and have them ingrained in your computer, the faster you move to the next level in your lessons.

GEOMETRICALLY ORIENTED LINEAR FORCE
If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY



Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 11:46 AM

Thanks Kevin. I will be reporting back as I go through the checklist.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80864)
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80878)
Patrick,

I really enjoy studying different teachers. As you know, I think we can learn from everybody. That is especially important for teachers as we will get questions on many different theories. We need to separate what we learn from others for our teaching, from the way we go at playing our own game.

While nobody is wrong, their ideas may not mesh with the foundation you are learning here. Don't fall in love with any theories outside of TGM until you work with Lynn in April. Lynn has studied EVERYTHING, and he will teach you Patrick's Method. It will be tailor made, and what you need to work on in your own swing forever. I've seen it, no two people are taught the same thing by Lynn. It's amazing.

Stay the course my friend. Go ahead and study others, but go into Cuscowilla with an open mind knowing that you will leave with the information you need for you and you alone.

To prepare, keep studying the basic foundation of TGM. The Essentials, the Imperatives, 1-L The Machine. Study wrist positions and as our friend Dodger recommends:

7-3
4-D-0
4-D-1
6-B-3-0-1


THE G.O.L.F. SWING IS:
1) THE HINGE ACTION = Clubface Control – 2G
2) Of an ANGULAR MOTION = Club head Control – 2K
3) On an INCLINED PLANE = Club shaft Control – 2F

THE THREE ESSENTIALS ARE:
1) A Stationary Head
2) Balance
3) Rhythm

THE THREE IMPERATIVES ARE:
1) A “Flat” Left Wrist
2) A Club head Lag Pressure Point
3) A Straight Plane Line

THE MACHINE CONTROLS THREE FUNCTIONS
1) The Inclined Plane is CLUBSHAFT Control – See 2-F and 4-0
2) The Pressure Points are CLUBHEAD Control – See 2-K and 4-0
3) The Left Wrist is CLUBFACE Control – See 2-G and 4-0

THE THREE STATIONS OF THE MACHINE
1) ADDRESS - be as prepared as possible
2) THE TOP - be as precise as possible
3) THE FINISH - be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

THE STAR SYSTEM TRIAD
1) ·The THREE IMPERATIVES (2-0)
2) ·Controlling the THREE FUNCTIONS (1-L-A/B/C)
3) ·Through the THREE STATIONS (12-3)

THREE ZONES
1) BODY CONTROL Pivot Body Balance
2) CLUB CONTROL Power Arms Force
3) BALL CONTROL Purpose Hands Direction

Focus on the MACDONALD DRILLS.
Since you and I worked together last summer, I have learned that everything you need for your weight transfer and hip motion is in those drills!

The more you KNOW the basics and have them ingrained in your computer, the faster you move to the next level in your lessons.

GEOMETRICALLY ORIENTED LINEAR FORCE
If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY



Kevin

I will compare these sections with Lynn's videos and the other insightful posts found here and report back. I am in love only with effective golf and LBG. :) I am very fond of MN and (IL and Toronto) I'm sure I will become fond of Cuscowilla.

ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 12:27 PM

THX Daryl, Kevin,OB, Bernt, & Lynn. I looked up "right forearm" in our search engine.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80687)
Hi ICT,

You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult.

My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much.

I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg.

The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door.

If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action".

How is your Posture? Are you bending enough?

All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym.

Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix.

I found this quote: # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Part of this response from Yoda is this (my bold):

Quote:

3. In the shorter Non-Pivot Strokes, Swingers should use the Magical RightForearm Takeaway (7-3) on the Backstroke; then, on the Downstroke, use theMinor Basic Left Arm Pull Stroke (10-3-D) to Pull the Clubthrough Impact. In the longer Strokes -- from the Top -- they should emphasizethe Right Shoulder Turn thrust of the #4 Accumulator (6-B-4-0/A/B/C) to 'crankup the gyroscope' of Centrifugal Force.

Hitters -- with or without Shoulder Turn Thrust -- should use the RightArm Throw (10-20-B) to Trigger the Release, and then use Right Elbow Drive (6-B-1-0/A/B/C) to Push the Club through Impact. If you are morecomfortable with this latter action, then use it and learn The Joy ofHitting. A technique that emphasizes Right Arm Power is more'natural' to most of us, and because of the active sensing of MuscularThrust -- as opposed to the passive sensing of Centrifugal Force --it is the best way to learn to use the Right Forefinger #3 Pressure Point.The key to the effective use of the Right Arm is learning to straighten itwithout Flattening the Bent Right Wrist. Experiment and see which way worksbest for you.
Question 1) I have a 3-wood in the closet here for use during my class prep time. With my right wrist level and bent is it not automatically on the club shaft plane since the wrists are level? (2+2)

Question 2) Am I right in thinking this set-up solves a lot of problems, Hitting or Swinging?

Question 3) If 1 and 2 are right, wouldn't HK say that the rest of the golf swing is a personal preference?

Question 4) But wouldn't HK also say that TSP is pretty damn effective and you should give it a spin otherwise you'll just wind up like the rest of the world on the Elbow Plane?

Question 5) To get to the Elbow Plane (on purpose) couldn't I could keep my level wrists on my club of choice and simply bend my right elbow? Otherwise, I"m what ever designated plane my arms are extending from?

I can't get you tube at school but I'll try to get Phil's pictures from the net. Daryl, where did you post the TSP pro's?

Thanks for your efforts. I'll benefit from them.

ICT

KevCarter 01-03-2011 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80879)
I will compare these sections with Lynn's videos and the other insightful posts found here and report back.

ICT

LOL

My post came off badly. I know your intentions are great, just want to help you to NOT fall into the same trap I do constantly. :laughing9

Kevin

KevCarter 01-03-2011 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 80883)
I found this quote: # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Part of this response from Yoda is this (my bold):



Question 1) I have a 3-wood in the closet here for use during my class prep time. With my right wrist level and bent is it not automatically on the club shaft plane since the wrists are level? (2+2)

Question 2) Am I right in thinking this set-up solves a lot of problems, Hitting or Swinging?

Question 3) If 1 and 2 are right, wouldn't HK say that the rest of the golf swing is a personal preference?

Question 4) But wouldn't HK also say that TSP is pretty damn effective and you should give it a spin otherwise you'll just wind up like the rest of the world on the Elbow Plane?

Question 5) To get to the Elbow Plane (on purpose) couldn't I could keep my level wrists on my club of choice and simply bend my right elbow? Otherwise, I"m what ever designated plane my arms are extending from?

I can't get you tube at school but I'll try to get Phil's pictures from the net. Daryl, where did you post the TSP pro's?

Thanks for your efforts. I'll benefit from them.

ICT

1) Peek at my 06 Magic of the Right Forearm document. There are passages of other teachers including YODA explaining how to get that Right Forearm on plane at address.

2) It takes away the need for more compensations.

"Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." -- LYNN BLAKE

3) Absolutely. Except for the Imperatives.

"I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it." -- HOMER KELLEY

4) Here is what Mr. Kelley said towards the end. I believe this would include the TSP...

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).

• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.

• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.

5) Good question. I'll leave that one for the others.

As always, just my opinions, please see my signature. I will sit back and learn from the others along with you.

Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 12:59 PM

Ok, so here is a TSP?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 80864)
No, that's not what I'm taking about. Go to Impact Fix with an Intact Right Forearm Wedge and put the Shaft on the Elbow Plane, then, keeping a "Level" Right Wrist, move the Shaft to the TSP. Look how that changes the Alignment of the Wedge. It doesn't only change the Shaft and forearm, but the entire way the Wedge is Aligned is different. Note also that you can have the Shaft on the Elbow Plane and have the Wedge aligned to the TSP and Visa Versa.

If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one.

I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson.

http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/art...0392-4,00.html

Daryl, if I'm following you, the above picture DOES NOT indicate, necessarily, a TSP.

Does the following picture indicate TSP?


How does this last picture indicate TSP? Is it due to his straight Left arm which is not on the elbow plane? Is a non-bent arm always (mostly) a TSP or some kind of Shoulder Plane?

One last question for now, D. How Does Gregg Mchatton ignore the RFT in his videos? If every damn thing is passive, and the hip loads and then discharges, he is simply missing a lot of power isn't he? Doyle, too? Or would they say that CF is everything. I think I understand that there is a little EA for those guys. We can swing with our wedges intact but they seem to really emphasize their soft arms and hands. Do we recommend the same stuff but in person?

Thanks.

ICT


innercityteacher 01-03-2011 01:52 PM

The only warm-up session I'll use at Cuscowilla.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80884)
LOL

My post came off badly. I know your intentions are great, just want to help you to NOT fall into the same trap I do constantly. :laughing9

Kevin

And everywhere else, BTW, is this one. # 1

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm

Quote:

Enough already. You've got a round to play tomorrow. Here's what to do:

Tonight.

Go into Impact Fix (8-2) and then backinto Adjusted Address (8-3). Over and over. Note the terrific difference inLeft Wrist Locations between the two. Also, be critically aware of the ForwardLean of the Clubshaft in Fix as opposed to the almostright-angled-to-the-Line alignment in Adjusted Address. Finally, Monitorcarefully the difference in the Wrist Alignments, i.e., Flat at Fix, Bent atAdjusted Address.

You may be able to accomplish the correct alignments in Fix, but fail totallyin real time. If so, the problem may well lie in your Right Shoulder location.In Fix, make sure you keep that Right Shoulder down (On Plane per 7-13).You're probably coming into Impact too high, and as a result, you're "runningout of right arm," an automatic throwaway. From the Top, turn yourRight Shoulder directly toward the Ball and then through it, and continueto Trace the Straight Plane Line with it into the Follow-Through. PictureTrevino's Right Shoulder Down on plane through impact and let it happen.

Finally, per the last paragraph in 7-3, from Fix, use your Right Elbow Action(the Magic of the Right Forearm) to move the club up, in and back on plane.Learn to feel that originating motion.
And then...
Quote:

Tomorrow.

In your pre-game warm-up, emphasizeyour Impact Fix position before each shot. Focus first on the very shortones -- Acquired Motion per 12-5-2, Right Forearm no higher than level withthe ground. Take the motion to the end of the Follow-Through -- BothArms Straight Position -- and make sure your left wrist is flat and yourright wrist has remained bent. Hit a lot of these shots and monitor thefollow-through -- which is also the finish in this case -- and ask:

First Imperative: "Is my Left Wrist Flat? Is my Right WristBent?"

Second Imperative: "Did I feel and sustain the loading pressureagainst the passive first joint of my Right Forefinger throughout theDownstroke, Impact, the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight) and even into myFinish?

Third Imperative: "Did I trace the Straight Plane Line? And did Idirect the Clubhead Lag Down -- through the Ball, throughthe Aiming Point, through the Low Point, through to the end ofthe Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight Position)?"

Then, do what you can to achieve these alignments during your full Strokes. Donot think of how you're going to do it, just focus on your objective.

I think this is what Daryl was saying earlier, or a big part of it. If my Alignments are correct at Impact Fix, I can then Pivot down sending my right shoulder and # 3 PP to replicate the Impact Fix position down through China. That is our version of the Swing. I'm still looking for TSP. :)

ICT

KevCarter 01-03-2011 01:57 PM

Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 03:47 PM

Thanks Kevin! I knew I had read about this, just not where!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80901)
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showt...=right+forearm # 1

I'm going to quote the whole thing because it is so damn elegant:

Quote:

he Ideal Inclined Plane
brianmanzella wrote:

So Yoda, what would the "IDEAL" downstroke plane be?



Those Planes aligned between the Elbow and Shoulder Planes have become the mostwidely accepted. Clubs cannot be built to be perfectly soled and still alignthe Clubshaft with more than one Plane Angle Reference point, and these Planesallow the Toe or Heel to be adjusted to fit either the flatter or steeper Plane(7-6).

Specifically, for G.O.L.F.ers, the Ideal Plane would be the TurnedShoulder Plane (10-6-B). Here the Magic of the Right Forearm/ElbowAction (7-3) executes the Three Dimensional Start-Up (Up, In, andBack) and also, the Three Dimensional Impact (Down, Out andForward) (2-F). Combined with the Downstroke Shoulder Turn of 10-13-D,this Plane Angle has a Zero Shift (10-7-A) and thus "far betterperformance characteristics than any other" (10-6-B).

__________________
Yoda

Did I mention how much I enjoy this site? :laughing9 :hello2: :angel1: :clap:

I'm getting warmer in finding the TSP! I know it is above the Elbow Plane! It is also pretty steep!

ICT

innercityteacher 01-03-2011 03:52 PM

Kevin, the TSP can be a HIt also?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 80901)
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!

Kevin

Wow! KABLAMO! oooooobabyoooooobabyoooooo!
:laughing9


ICT


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