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the snow is clearing & we get to play tomorrow http://www.westonsupermaregolfclub.com/hole.php?hole=1 so i'll try & make a par or two for you snow-bound guys |
Thanks for sharing the views of your course, Tim. It looks like a wonderful place to play every possible day.
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actually that course is a local one where 20 of us are going for a holiday day out tomorrow. It is a course i like though with some good holes. My home track is http://www.mendipgolfclub.com/course.html it is an upland course with small greens, that can play quite fast & linksy during the summer - one or two weak holes but probably the 2nd best course in the locality - the photos don't quite do it justice the best course in the area is a good links course, no tress but plenty of wind :-) http://www.burnhamandberrowgolfclub....p#championship if you ever find yourself in the UK we'll go play it :-) where do you guys play ? |
Both courses look wonderful.
I play several in this area. Possibly my favorite two are <htp://www.oakglengolf.com/tourcourse.htm> and <http://www.tannersbrook.com/golf/proto/tannersbook/course/course.htm> I hope these web sites translate. If you ever get here, we'll play them. City has experienced Oak Glen, but not the other. Maybe on his next trip. |
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I played a hitting action producing a small cut 6000yd par 70 cold but light winds 12/13 fairways with ok distance 220-260 (gotta be pleased enough with that) 9/18 greens (a tad disappointing) 29 putts (anything under 30 putts floats my boat) 3 birdies & 5 bogeys for 2 over 72 (happy with the score) i hit 5 or 6 good shots (one 280yd drive when i got the club properly back on plane in the follow through) & 2 bad ones...... my challenge was the club not getting left enough quick enough & not back on plane ie a bit of a steer i guess, but the ok shots were playable & i felt like i knew what i was trying to do which is a nice start & a difference if i can get todays good shots as a norm i might be in business :-) |
Tim, you are a beast!
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I was looking at Olazabal down the line today, and what textbook release action. Downswing butt end of club pointing on plane perfect, then the roll and release, head back. Clubface dead perfect at impact. Gorgeous.
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I'm inclined towards being too cautious (great for steering i suspect) so any thoughts on freeing up a bit would be appreciated. chipping was ok 4/8 saves from around the green concentrated on lagging, tracing & hinging, most of the chipping & pitching was more crisp than previously. The good thing about the chipping & all the shots actually was that i maintained some lag (for the first time ever). It was quite noticable to see the others in my group flipping their hands & the clubhead at the ball, in an attempt to make the clubhead move faster (something i used to do). LynnBlakeGolf has brought new information into my game - thankyou all :-) out walking the dog this morning i hit a few shots. i was trying to apply roll as more of a flat left hand action yesterday & i see now it is a wrist & forearm motion which is much more structured & easier to apply also very interested in the thought that was posted about Hogan getting flatter & his wallet getting fatter, it seems easier to get left in the follow through when i concentrate on getting flatter |
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Elsewhere here, Daryl reminded us of the importance of the Flying Wedges. I think as you (and I) work on things we should pay special attention to PP#1 and its effecto on maintaining the right side FW.
I am finding the left side FW maintains nicely as long as that pp#1 is applying pressure into the left thumb/shaft. I get so disappointed if I find myself flipping. Good luck Tim. Ain't this place grand? |
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so much good information on here - LBG is the best |
I feel like I ran a marathon!
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Man, no wonder I can't hit the ball very far. I have no Pivot. I have been trying to do everything with a well-timed arm swing or arm generated something. I went to the indoor range and Gregg shows you good drills not using the hands and arms. I hit for an hour taking my hands and arms out of it as best I could. My muscles hurt everywhere! The Golf Machine makes it so easy to diagnose mistakes. But changing years of a bad swing motion takes real work! I did do a couple things well. Upon making a full Pivot, with very quiet arms and hands, I (thought of Lynn) planted and drove my right shoulder down and cracked a couple of 220 yard carry drives with a real crack that got some favorable noises from the group waiting. My shoulder never felt so powerful. Uhmmm let me tell you the drills Lynn teaches that Mr. McHatton does with different names: DRAG THE MOP, SPIN THE FLYWHEEL. There are others but Lynn's ability to take the Swing apart into its component parts, "Vertically un-cocking Left Wrist, Are you Prepared to Roll on that line, The Finishing Swivel, means that all the stuff that a teacher leaves unsaid in order to simplify the presentation is stuff we can know and understand. (I'm not criticizing Mr. Mchatton. As a teacher I understand that lesson plans must be selective to be effective) I think I lost 10 lbs of water weight! :confused1 ICT |
"Houston, we have a problem."
If you use your Pivot to generate throw-out and your arms and hands to multiply that, then you shouldn't be sore anywhere. You should feel refreshed. I know. Greg tends to make the Pivot seem as though you're taking "Bikram Yoga". |
I am not used to sinking so far into my artificial hip, Daryl.
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Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another. Is he Hitting after he starts to slide? Ok, I got it. Pushing off your right leg is like popping in your right knee and it gives you tilt and power. I realize now why the straight line avoidance is important. ICT |
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How does the Hip Turn create Power? Speed? Distance? What are you looking for? Weight Shift? How do the Hips "Propel" the Right Shoulder? Does that come from the Right or Left Hip? What About Knee Action? Let me ask you an easy question: If your Right Shoulder is On-Plane at the Top, How much Hip Slide do you need to get it On-Plane? How much Hip Slide do you need to keep it on Plane during the Downstroke? What is forcing it Off-Plane? If you don't have Pivot Lag set up by the time you reach Top, then you need to create it on the way down. Do you leave your hands at the Top during Start-Down? |
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Sending my right shoulder to the ground has got me confused. When I do the marching drills I never sense a straight line slide. it does just feel like one brisk turn then another. Ok, Gregg has a straight line drill where he pushes a golf cart up the hill with the back leg drive against the cart. Full Hip turn, dead hands and arms, right leg/ back leg drive and tilt. I don't think I understand the McDonald exercises. I thought the same side leg pushes that hip back. Either way, marching Pivot or back leg drive, it is a very powerful, simple Swing! Oh, I just saw it in the mirror. Pivot back carries the dead arms and hands up and back leg drive gives tilt and powerful inside attack of the ball with lots more body support of club. ICT |
Hi ICT,
You're missing something. It shouldn't be this difficult. My Hip Slide, is two inches. That's about this |____________________________| much. I agree that he is correct with the "Hip/Cart" drill-example. But, that's more a weight shift Drill. Weight stays on the right foot as the left heel is planted and the Downstroke begins. Use your right leg to brace the downstroke shoulder turn but don't push with the right leg. The MacDonald drills are the keys to the door. If I'm reading you right, you've been (maybe) using your arms to replace the Pivot. But now you seem to think that the Pivot is a huge muscular lateral motion. Hmm? It may look that way when viewing swings, but it's "Hip Turn" and "Hip Action". How is your Posture? Are you bending enough? All of the above is easy. First learn to return the Right Forearm to the Angle of Approach. That alone will dictate your Pivot (Hip Turn and Action). Until you can return the Right Forearm to its Impact Fix Angle of Approach, you're only "Exercising". Save that for the Gym. Read the drills I gave to AirAir. Get a bucket with a Handle. Horizontal and Angled Hinging are very different. Don't mix. |
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that GM big time pivot & swingers motion caught my attention a month or so ago too, it does feel like there is extra power in there Q is it pivot controlled hands ? also check out http://www.youtube.com/user/PureBall...45/LOLZuJ7WFRw hear the compression & these are apparently 165yd 8i with a hitting action ...unless i'm way off track :-)... & no big time pivot action... Jeff does look like he might not look out of place as a no8 forward though to be fair, which might help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CiWQ...eature=related if we swing rather than hit will we have more distance ? I guess it depends, but it is a Q i have come back to a couple times & one i have heard voiced a few times |
Daryl, this will take me a few days.
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We need a TGM coloring book. Would you be the illustrator? Remember the Jack's cartoon book and Gary Player's cartoon book? What I have comprehended via Mr. McHatton's videos is that the hips start and power the Swing (or a more effective version of the Swing). So I'm looking to have a more powerful, more repeatable swing. :eyes: Several of the compensations and power drains ( maybe all of them) according to GM, come from the use of the arms and hands (he is a Swing teacher not a Hitmeister). Apparently, if the hips drive the Swing (and if we can increase their speed from 2 mph to 2.5 mph) then the other components (esp. if we let them hang loosely) will tear through the air and allow me to become a better golfer. I'm in favor of that. I am enjoying the DVD's esp. since Lynn's DVD's are not out yet and I gave my Alignment I DVD's to my Dad. I leave my hands at the top, my arms, my brain, my dogs, they are all left to LAG forever. I'm using my hips as slowly and powerfully as I can. My hips are off line since one is artificial and one leg is yada yada. I think what your saying and GM, Lynn, TGM et al, is saying is that the simple act of stepping forward makes the hips slide. I have to go push the golf cart up the hill with my right leg while keeping my left hip in it's ceramic socket. At last, an exercise program for non-athletes who golf. :golfcart: ICT |
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I wanna be like Jack N. when I get older, like in March 2011. (Lynn can show me the details and some Hitting stuff, too, in April, but I'm going to concentrate on the Turning Shoulder Plane for now.) Why? "The basic 'Turning Shoulder Procedure' -"A." below-has been undoubtedly the most widely used Basic Plane. The player who takes the club head 'straight back from the ball' is using this Plane Angle. The club head is also brought "straight down through the ball' for Impact....It is extremely effective and dynamically correct..." I want to be extremely effective and dynamically correct. Is this a TSP Swing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4EN5bc3yg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQvg-ybNFQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsX68WZmnC8 What about this swing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MexhOFe6CtQ So, let's forget what these men call their swings. For our purposes, are these TSP swings, or something else? I want my hands and arms to be passive and thrown by my hips straight back on Plane and the DOWN through the ball. In this case my hands will be educated to relax and enjoy the feeling of the power of my Pivot and of the # 3 PP loading and discharging through the ball. Notice in the last Swing how high Mr. Lee's hands are at Address. (1.42 in the tape) These folks are not the teacher that Yoda is. Because of his teaching, and because of Mr.Kelly, I am able to understand why some things work in golf and some things do not. Pro golfers may not know how they do what they do but we can and try to copy some of it based on our body type and abilities. :) ICT |
None of the above swings use the TSP.
Let me give you some advice. The Clubshaft defines the Plane Angle. We all know that; no big deal. But the Right Forearm Wedge alignment determines which Plane Angle you're going to use. You can Align it to the TSP, Elbow or whatever Plane you want. You don't know how to align the Right Forearm Wedge. Until you do, you will probably swing on the Elbow Plane. Aligning the Right Forearm Wedge is easy to Teach and easy to Learn. It's aligned at Impact Fix and then re-established during Start-up. If you don't re-establish the Alignment during Start-up, then you'll end up on the Elbow Plane. No matter how much you try, you won't Swing on the TSP with the Right Forearm Wedge Aligned to it. I don't Care how hard you try to aim the #3 PP and go straight for the Plane Line, it isn't going to happen. I don't know how to find the Alignment at the Top. If I don't get it during Start-up, I quit the Swing and go again. It's easy to get and Keep so that doesn't happen (on the range sometimes when my focus is elsewhere). I can show you the Alignments in one minute but I can't put them into words. I can't put the Horizontal Hinge into words and I've tried that a number of times too. Can you find the Alignments in the Book? I don't think so. But for starters, go to Impact Fix on the Elbow Plane. Look, Look, Look. Then move the Right Forearm Wedge to the TSP, Ahhh, the Wedge is turned much more. That changes everything. |
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I am shocked at the analysis on the Lee Gravity Swing: At 1.35: ". . . a complete absence of applied force from the upper body. The arms simply fall into the downswing . . ." Then, continuing at 1:42: "A gentle pivot of the leading hip . . . during delivery." :shock: How 'bout this instead: "A strong, upper body thrust with its driving right arm hitting action . . ." "Led by an exaggerated pivot and a needless expenditure of energy." Hey, it's okay to see it different! :laughing9 |
Is there a famous golfer who did?
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If I extend my RFW fully, and use RFT, my wedges feel close to my ears. I think that's what your saying, Daryl, right? Are you and Lynn saying you can't give me a TSP pro example? Are Nicklaus and those guys "Squared Shouldered?" That's almost the same thing, right? I think that Hogan, Moe Norman, Fowler and other guys that look like that are Elbow Plane guys, because the club flies around at Elbow level. I have a feeling that I'm really misunderstanding the pictures and the text which is ok because I'm in the right website. :) I would like to not feel like such a huge moron though, in this simple identification of the TSP from the book and tapes. I think it's too late for that though. :sad2: I'm right to like the TSP, though? :confused1 ICT |
Lynn, do you think this guy knows how wrongly he is stating his stuff?
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Where is 12PB when you heed him? :) ICT |
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If you don't see a major Alignment Change then you don't fully grasp the Right Forearm Wedge. You need to Bend your Right Wrist, Keeping it Level and then wrap it with Ace Bandages to keep it stable. Then go to Impact Fix, however you won't have the opportunity to change the #3 Accumulator Angle. I guess you gotta go one on one. I've found many examples of the TSP used by Pro's and have put them up for Review. Look at Phil Mickelson. |
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He mentions Jack Nicklaus as a gravity golfer. Somehow I don't think Jack had time to wait for gravity to move the club ;-) Seeing videos of Jack Nicklaus from his haydays doesn't exactly connotate with effortless power. Power - certainly. But also a lot of effort. The "gravity stroke" on the video actually reminds me of Jason Zuback's. I guess gravity can get you easily past the 400 yards mark - as long as you back it up with Zuback's strength and explosivity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9eKh_VW0gg |
Thanks Lynn, Daryl, Bernt!
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Thanks for the information and good humor. I love the Nicklaus/Zuback stuff and I see the Lee charade now that my eyes have been open. Daryl, I will do my curtain rods later to see your point. Thanks. Believing you all to be correct, as I do, brings some other questions to mind. Phil is a better golfer than I am. Having said that, is his flakiness attributable more to his brain or his use of TSP? Never has a man thrown away so much talent and money so easily and willingly, imho. :crybaby: One more theoretical question. Let's suppose I invent a better marketing program for a golf system. I'm going to call it the "Magnetic GOLF!" Let's suppose in the legal fine print I say "The BEST GOLF Swing IS most aptly taught by Homer Kelly and Lynn Blake Golf. I am merely providing a short cut to get you golfing in 4 weeks and to help you shoot sub-90 scores most of the time. If you really want to be a golfing stud, go to Lynn Blake Golf and get a clue." MAGNETIC GOLF- GIVEN THE METAL/FIBERGLASS CONTENT OF MOST GOLF CLUBS AND YOUR NATURAL ELECTRICAL AURA, YOU TOO CAN LEARN HOW TO HIT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE GOLF SHOTS IN LESS THAN 4 WEEKS!!! BY LEARNING THE SECRET MAGNETIC HANDSHAKE, AND THE MAGNETIC GOLF SLING, YOUR GOLF WILL REACH A NEW LEVEL! UNLOCK THE POWER OF YOUR HIPS AND PASSIVE ARMS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE ANCIENT TECHNIQUES OF THOSE FIRST GOLFERS WHO WERE IN HARMONY WITH NATURE AND THE MAGNETIC CORE OF THE EARTH. ENJOY MAGNETIC GOLF Today ! Let's say that many of the hippies in MN, Iowa, and Wisconsin, not to mention Philadelphia and Detroit, decide to embrace "The Cosmic Golf Series" Featuring "The Magnetic Swing." Drug abuse and stress goes down. People take more showers and live longer as they walk the course with their Environment Bags (recyclable). And I make a few million dollars of which 50% goes to Hatian refugees. Is that a bad thing? I think that's what a lot of guys are doing on You Tube and around the world. it's taken me less than a year to really figure out North and golfing South. How can these other guys with responsible positions in the golfing world not know? If I could effectively teach CPR, without discussing a single major organ, and had people everywhere saving lives with the ummm "Bosom Low Separation Hand Compression,"Wouldn't I be morally compelled to do so as long as I clearly indicated that my goal was to create a simple, effective system? I think Lynn should announce the magnetic golf system at the golf show for 5 minutes and see who gets it. He should announce that he will ask Trackman to start working on taking magnetic swing readings. Brian Manzella would be the first one to endorse it. :) ICT |
Patrick,
I really enjoy studying different teachers. As you know, I think we can learn from everybody. That is especially important for teachers as we will get questions on many different theories. We need to separate what we learn from others for our teaching, from the way we go at playing our own game. While nobody is wrong, their ideas may not mesh with the foundation you are learning here. Don't fall in love with any theories outside of TGM until you work with Lynn in April. Lynn has studied EVERYTHING, and he will teach you Patrick's Method. It will be tailor made, and what you need to work on in your own swing forever. I've seen it, no two people are taught the same thing by Lynn. It's amazing. Stay the course my friend. Go ahead and study others, but go into Cuscowilla with an open mind knowing that you will leave with the information you need for you and you alone. To prepare, keep studying the basic foundation of TGM. The Essentials, the Imperatives, 1-L The Machine. Study wrist positions and as our friend Dodger recommends: 7-3 4-D-0 4-D-1 6-B-3-0-1 THE G.O.L.F. SWING IS: 1) THE HINGE ACTION = Clubface Control – 2G 2) Of an ANGULAR MOTION = Club head Control – 2K 3) On an INCLINED PLANE = Club shaft Control – 2F THE THREE ESSENTIALS ARE: 1) A Stationary Head 2) Balance 3) Rhythm THE THREE IMPERATIVES ARE: 1) A “Flat” Left Wrist 2) A Club head Lag Pressure Point 3) A Straight Plane Line THE MACHINE CONTROLS THREE FUNCTIONS 1) The Inclined Plane is CLUBSHAFT Control – See 2-F and 4-0 2) The Pressure Points are CLUBHEAD Control – See 2-K and 4-0 3) The Left Wrist is CLUBFACE Control – See 2-G and 4-0 THE THREE STATIONS OF THE MACHINE 1) ADDRESS - be as prepared as possible 2) THE TOP - be as precise as possible 3) THE FINISH - be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish THE STAR SYSTEM TRIAD 1) ·The THREE IMPERATIVES (2-0) 2) ·Controlling the THREE FUNCTIONS (1-L-A/B/C) 3) ·Through the THREE STATIONS (12-3) THREE ZONES 1) BODY CONTROL Pivot Body Balance 2) CLUB CONTROL Power Arms Force 3) BALL CONTROL Purpose Hands Direction Focus on the MACDONALD DRILLS. Since you and I worked together last summer, I have learned that everything you need for your weight transfer and hip motion is in those drills! The more you KNOW the basics and have them ingrained in your computer, the faster you move to the next level in your lessons. GEOMETRICALLY ORIENTED LINEAR FORCE If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY Kevin |
Thanks Kevin. I will be reporting back as I go through the checklist.
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THX Daryl, Kevin,OB, Bernt, & Lynn. I looked up "right forearm" in our search engine.
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Question 2) Am I right in thinking this set-up solves a lot of problems, Hitting or Swinging? Question 3) If 1 and 2 are right, wouldn't HK say that the rest of the golf swing is a personal preference? Question 4) But wouldn't HK also say that TSP is pretty damn effective and you should give it a spin otherwise you'll just wind up like the rest of the world on the Elbow Plane? Question 5) To get to the Elbow Plane (on purpose) couldn't I could keep my level wrists on my club of choice and simply bend my right elbow? Otherwise, I"m what ever designated plane my arms are extending from? I can't get you tube at school but I'll try to get Phil's pictures from the net. Daryl, where did you post the TSP pro's? Thanks for your efforts. I'll benefit from them. ICT |
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My post came off badly. I know your intentions are great, just want to help you to NOT fall into the same trap I do constantly. :laughing9 Kevin |
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2) It takes away the need for more compensations. "Address the ball with your Left Wrist Level and your Right Forearm On Plane. Until you do this, you are wasting your time in a sea of compensations." -- LYNN BLAKE 3) Absolutely. Except for the Imperatives. "I don't care what you do, as long as you know how you do it." -- HOMER KELLEY 4) Here is what Mr. Kelley said towards the end. I believe this would include the TSP... "If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad." • At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3). • At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm. • Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach. From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting. 5) Good question. I'll leave that one for the others. As always, just my opinions, please see my signature. I will sit back and learn from the others along with you. Kevin |
Ok, so here is a TSP?
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Daryl, if I'm following you, the above picture DOES NOT indicate, necessarily, a TSP. Does the following picture indicate TSP? How does this last picture indicate TSP? Is it due to his straight Left arm which is not on the elbow plane? Is a non-bent arm always (mostly) a TSP or some kind of Shoulder Plane? One last question for now, D. How Does Gregg Mchatton ignore the RFT in his videos? If every damn thing is passive, and the hip loads and then discharges, he is simply missing a lot of power isn't he? Doyle, too? Or would they say that CF is everything. I think I understand that there is a little EA for those guys. We can swing with our wedges intact but they seem to really emphasize their soft arms and hands. Do we recommend the same stuff but in person? Thanks. ICT |
The only warm-up session I'll use at Cuscowilla.
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I think this is what Daryl was saying earlier, or a big part of it. If my Alignments are correct at Impact Fix, I can then Pivot down sending my right shoulder and # 3 PP to replicate the Impact Fix position down through China. That is our version of the Swing. I'm still looking for TSP. :) ICT |
Some wonderful ideas of YODA's that I had missed. Thanks for posting them, they will be included in my docs for sure!
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Thanks Kevin! I knew I had read about this, just not where!
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Did I mention how much I enjoy this site? :laughing9 :hello2: :angel1: :clap: I'm getting warmer in finding the TSP! I know it is above the Elbow Plane! It is also pretty steep! ICT |
Kevin, the TSP can be a HIt also?
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