Define interpret,,,:rolleyes: just kiddin. It turned into quite a thread eh?

Crux of the matter. Taken to the extreme, it would be nearly impossible to return the club to the ball accurately with head movement of lets say 6" and certainly easier with a stationary head. But most players exhibit some movement. So where can we draw the line?

IMO, staionary is the promised land and with incremental degrees of movement, consistent clubhead to ball delivery gets tougher (not impossible, just tougher).

Disagree.

I'm done tho. (at least for now...could change tomorrow who knows)

Help on the way
 

I spoke with Lynn today about shooting a video to help clear the fog.
Like everything else, to do it right takes practice.

If you ever get paired with Mike O . . . better Sway Bob and move your head all over the place. Last guy that beat him ended up hotdawg chili.

Bucket
 

You really are unbelieveable! It's late here - but I'll holla back when I've got some energy!

Watch the video of Mr Kelley on this site. I figure 40 yrs of study and practice he could replicate what he taught.

His chin swivels to the right- does his head move? It appears to slighlty.

I focus on his pivot. The pivot controls the sway or lack there of. Isn't the point for a stationary head to eliminate the sway and bob???

Link To Homer's Swing
 

Here's the link. It is the only known video of Homer Kelley's swing.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery.../3-HKSwing.wmv

Homer Kelley Swing
 

Just for information and/or clarification - this Homer Kelley swing was in the process of showing that you needed to HIT DOWN on the ball. I wouldn't consider it full power. I wouldn't say that it was a "normal" swing for him in this regard- there was very little concentration and no target awareness- he is emphasizing the downward blow- and thrust down plane- essentially demonstrating that to a student. So my comments are really just a minor addition - broadening the context of the clip a little- for anyone that is interested.

K I can't do it.....tear myself away that is....I never can....(I guess I sound like an alky or a CRACKhead here)....

To do a Stationary Head correctly? No doubt it does. Personally, I still am not sold that it's superior.

Keep bobbing and weavin so it don't get cut off?

What do you mean appear to have moved? Are you saying there is some kind of illusion? I would think getting video would be best.

So you're saying those things are merely ideals then?

I can see em as conceptual ideals a lot of the time...not real ideals. Concepts. That's how I see it mostly. Personally.

I agree that reality must be dealt with...

I assume you mean "When trying for a Stationary Head and Zero shift the head moves and the plane shifts."

No?

That can also be true.

I don't think of them as ideals for (all?) humans tho so when my head moves and my plane shifts it's not an error in execution. (but that's just me)

You know he must be trying for a Stationary head anyway.

And it's fairly Stationary....and you would expect it to be because he favored it.

We know that already tho so the fact that HK is doing it really is not surprising in the least....

The issue is whether this really IS the ideal all or even most of the time....not whether HK prefers it.

(although I don't think HK ever said anything but The 3 Imperatives MUST be done by every golfer)

He does bob quite a bit in this clip tho. I realize he is likely demonstrating something to someone (he's obviously emphasizing something there....prolly relating to Impact)...there is a bob tho. But w/e.

YES I agree that would be the point.

When you are BUILDING A MACHINE to swing a club it's true.....there is absolutely no reason for it's "head" (whether that be a post or w/e) to move. (sway and/or bob)

But that's when you're building a machine. You can build it however you want.

As I've already said....I think.....that the "human machine" (if this is what we want to call it) is different.

Ah yes spot on Mr. O.

And it should be said too cause ppl will say: "That's HK's swing??? What a pile of crap!"

When really...anyone who KNOWS knows his hands are Educated and he's demonstrating something.